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Is this a persian cat?

post #1 of 31
8/24/09 at 4:38am
Thread Starter 
Helo, i am needing a little advice. I want to buy a persian cat and I have got an offert but I am not knowing if the kitten is really persian
Here is a link to the photo with the kitens that I have got:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4...itepersian.jpg

Cold anybody help me out?
Thank you
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post #2 of 31
8/24/09 at 4:46am
I'll move you over to the Breeders forum so they can see
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post #3 of 31
8/24/09 at 4:59am
It could be. But if these kittens are in a pet store, I would not buy them anyway. They look like poor quality Persians at best and more then likely a domestic longhair (maybe Persian mix).

IMO they don't look their best to be selling them. The front one looks to have eye problems.
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post #4 of 31
8/24/09 at 5:34am
I agree with what was already said.

I am sure a few people will be in contact with you about finding a good persian breeder near you or perhaps you could look for a rescue persian. Maybe look for a breeder you really like the offspring of and ask if they recommend a breeder in your area or one that ships to your area?
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post #5 of 31
8/24/09 at 5:55am
I'm no expert at all, but they look to me to be what some call "doll-faced Persians." Longer nose than the real standard. This CAN be a good thing, according so some. Fewer nasal and eye problems. But they don't appear to be true to the Persian standard.
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post #6 of 31
8/24/09 at 6:45am
They don't look like pure Persians to me. The kitten in the front has eye problems as mentioned earlier, and I would also check if they hear normally (white cat with blue eyes = possibly deaf). I advice you not to get a kitten from this litter.

Btw, are you from Finland? Your finnish username made me wonder..
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post #7 of 31
8/24/09 at 10:30am
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your advice, I am going to folow it and not buy that cat.

Yes NorthernGlow, I am from Suomi
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post #8 of 31
8/24/09 at 10:53am
Just curious - are they from a pet shop or backyard breeder?
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post #9 of 31
8/24/09 at 12:24pm
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I'm not sure, I travel this autum with a friend in east europe and I thought that hey, could get maybe now the cat that I always dreamt of to a price that I could afford.

Well . . . I got weirdo responses to my search, some maybe serious grower had asked me such a price that I could get in the same money 2 persians in finland from normal people. I mean that I do want only a pet not a "show winner" cat.

Then come this offert . . . hmm they call themselves to be official breeders but I think from what I learned later that they are some kind of "farm" of producing cats . . .
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post #10 of 31
8/24/09 at 12:56pm
I think it is hard to judge from a picture only... IMO, quite frankly, from the picture I would never guessed this to be a backyard breeder, or a pet store... The cage is very clean, the room around it is also clean and uncluttered... I seriously can not see how one can say from that picture alone that this is from a backyard breeder.
As far as his eyes, he could have eye problems, or not - it could be stains... It could be that baby only - the other ones all have normal looking eyes...
Yes, they do look like doll face persians...
I think the opinion you want in the thread is Sam's... she should be able to guide you better...
Good luck!
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post #11 of 31
8/24/09 at 12:56pm
Good thing you didn't get them. Its known as a puppy/kitten mill. They keep the animals in cages all the time, are not socialized properly, minimum health care (if any), poor food, and overbreeding the animals.

You would probably have a lot of medical problems up the road. I'm sure you will find a good kitten to adopt.
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post #12 of 31
8/24/09 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Good thing you didn't get them. Its known as a puppy/kitten mill. They keep the animals in cages all the time, are not socialized properly, minimum health care (if any), poor food, and overbreeding the animals.

You would probably have a lot of medical problems up the road. I'm sure you will find a good kitten to adopt.
Just curious: How do you know all that from that picture? Is this a case of guilty until proven innocent here?
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post #13 of 31
8/24/09 at 1:21pm
[quote=carolinalima;2706859]IMO, quite frankly, from the picture I would never guessed this to be a backyard breeder, or a pet store... The cage is very clean, the room around it is also clean and uncluttered... QUOTE]

Not all BYB's keep their cats in dirty conditions, but anyone who is unregistered is considered a BYB - that you cannot tell from a photo.

There are many BYB Ragdoll breeders over here, but many keep their cats in nice conditions, doesn't make them any less of a BYB though.
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post #14 of 31
8/24/09 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by vampyyri View Post
They call themselves to be official breeders but I think from what I learned later that they are some kind of "farm" of producing cats . . .
Few tips for searching a cat from abroad: check if you can find their catteryname from a cattery list of the association they claim to be members of (i.e. in Finland the associations are Fifé [Suomen Kissaliitto], TICA [Alfa Felis & FINTICAt] and CFA [CFF-Cat fanciers of Finland]). The associations usually have a database of all registered catterynames on their websites.

Try googling their cats' names, that way you can usually get some info outside their own website. You can also try to find some of their cats from a pedigree database: http://pawpeds.com/

You could also browse some finnish persian catteries websites and see where they have imported cats from. Maybe you'll find a good cattery that way. Do you have a specific color in mind?

Good luck! I'm also trying to find a cat outside of Finland, haven't find the right one yet.
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post #15 of 31
8/24/09 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by missymotus View Post
Not all BYB's keep their cats in dirty conditions, but anyone who is unregistered is considered a BYB - that you cannot tell from a photo.

There are many BYB Ragdoll breeders over here, but many keep their cats in nice conditions, doesn't make them any less of a BYB though.
Yes, but from that picture you can not tell if they are registered or not....
My point is, a picture was posted, then the assumption of BYB was immediately done, with no other information that we can see, unless the OP sent to specific members by PM...
There are plenty of reputable breeders that keep their kittens in cages/playpens too... at least for a certain amount of time during the day. We don't know other country's cultures... the circumstances behind the picture...
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post #16 of 31
8/24/09 at 4:41pm
From the description in what she said more then likely its a kitten mill. Kitten mills treat their cats that way. While you can take pictures of kittens in a cage, usually if you want to sell them - they are taken out and set on a table or something to make them look nicer. It may not be a big one and it could be more of a backyard breeder who has a lot of kittens.
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post #17 of 31
8/24/09 at 4:43pm
Also the term "farm" usually does not mean a reputable breeder!
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post #18 of 31
8/24/09 at 11:53pm
Please be very careful and choose a reputable Persian breeder or you may end it up like me spending thousands of dollars, my persian develop corneal sequestrums in both of his eyes, avoid backyard breeders just do a good reserarch
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post #19 of 31
8/25/09 at 5:19am
They look happy, healthy and well looked after. I take it many of you haven't reared White Persian kittens. They are very hard to keep clean!

They are Persians - not top quality ones though and the front one has a crooked face.
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post #20 of 31
8/25/09 at 6:41am
Thread Starter 
How are you advising me WellingtonCats to do then?

They are seling me the front one . . . in a way it is cute but I am woried of the brown stuff around his eyes. What you think that it could be?
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post #21 of 31
8/25/09 at 6:53am
Why would you WANT to still buy one when they are probably are Persian mix. I would say that the kitten has an eye infection or upper respiratory infection?

I thought you were passing on them.
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post #22 of 31
8/25/09 at 7:06am
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I am passing on them, I am just surprised to have received positive answers to them from yesterday and I wish to have also the advice of the people who are positive about them too.

I feel mercy for that kiten . . . I have a toooo weak heart for cats.
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post #23 of 31
8/25/09 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by vampyyri View Post
I am passing on them, I am just surprised to have received positive answers to them from yesterday and I wish to have also the advice of the people who are positive about them too.

I feel mercy for that kitten . . . I have a toooo weak heart for cats.
Hi there - In this subject, I advise you to listen to Sam (wellingtoncats) - she is a Persian Expert, has been breeding for many years, is a judge, etc etc. If she says the kitties ARE Persians, IMO, they ARE... You can PM her if you feel more comfortable...
I personally do not see anything wrong with the eyes, but I might be wrong - as she said, white persians have very hard to keep clean eyes...
Anyways.... PM Sam... Just my 2 cents, for what is worth...
Like her, I too feel they look happy, healthy and well taken care of...
Good luck!
Are the kittens registered?
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post #24 of 31
8/25/09 at 9:03am
I respect Sam too, but unless you have papers those kittens may or may not be 100% Persians. They look like it, but can't be totally sure. IMO they are poor pet quality ones if they are.

Just concerned that if the poster buys one of them anyway, they will be either overpriced or have health problems with them. I guess if the poster can really see them in person and see the condition of the place/cats, we won't know for sure.
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post #25 of 31
8/25/09 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
I respect Sam too, but unless you have papers those kittens may or may not be 100% Persians. They look like it, but can't be totally sure. IMO they are poor pet quality ones if they are.

Just concerned that if the poster buys one of them anyway, they will be either overpriced or have health problems with them. I guess if the poster can really see them in person and see the condition of the place/cats, we won't know for sure.
Agreed - she should go there and check it out, and also see if they do have papers... I rather have a muggie any time than having one poorly bred purebred... A picture will not be enough to prove one way or another...
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post #26 of 31
8/25/09 at 11:52am
The kitten in the front.. I know a kitten (well, a teenager now) who has that same problem. Her eyes are constantly bleeding and they look like that. The cat is now over 6months old and still has the problems and propably will have for the rest of her life, so I would not pick that kitten.
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post #27 of 31
8/25/09 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by NorthernGlow View Post
The kitten in the front.. I know a kitten (well, a teenager now) who has that same problem. Her eyes are constantly bleeding and they look like that. The cat is now over 6months old and still has the problems and propably will have for the rest of her life, so I would not pick that kitten.
It doesn't look like blood to me... it looks like normal white persians' kittens eyes...
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post #28 of 31
8/25/09 at 12:12pm
I don't mean blood, just don't know what word to use..
Here is a pic of the cat I'm talking about. She has some stuff coming from her eyes all the time, no matter how much they are cleaned. None of her litter mates have this problem. (And as you can see, she is not white or persian..)
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post #29 of 31
8/25/09 at 12:34pm
white persians' eyes are a whole different ball game...
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post #30 of 31
8/25/09 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by NorthernGlow View Post
I don't mean blood, just don't know what word to use..
Bleeding does not have to mean blood, so use of the word is quite correct.

Perhaps Sam could give you (or your friend) some tips on keeping the white kitties eyes clean. I think there are products you can buy.
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