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post #1 of 54
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There are so many other natural remedies for things like hairballs - why can't we just come together on this?

Vaseline is a petroleum product. It's good for a lot of things, BUT, not for ingesting.

I googled Vaseline, "petroleum products ingesting"

here's just some of the findings:

Poisoning by Petroleum Products in Cats | PetMD
http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/...carbon_toxicos
If your cat ingested the petroleum products recently, a stomach lavage (wash) will also be performed. Causing the cat to vomit is usually not wise under ...


Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook - Google Books Result
by Debra Eldredge, Delbert G. Carlson, Liisa D ... - 2007 - Pets - 626 pages
Never use a product made for dogs on a cat. PETROLEUM PRODUCTS Gasoline ... Ingesting these compounds will cause gastrointestinal upset and may burn the ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=047009530X...

Petroleum Product Poisoning: Introduction - The Merck Veterinary ...
Both dogs and cats may ingest petroleum products during grooming if their fur becomes contaminated. Dogs may ingest these products directly when they are ...
www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/htm/bc/212600.htm - Cached - Similar

So, how about it, Members - let's not offer Vaseline as a remedy for hairballs (or anything else) any longer - please.
post #2 of 54
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Originally Posted by GloriaJH View Post
There are so many other natural remedies for things like hairballs - why can't we just come together on this?

Vaseline is a petroleum product. It's good for a lot of things, BUT, not for ingesting.

I googled Vaseline, "petroleum products ingesting"

here's just some of the findings:

Poisoning by Petroleum Products in Cats | PetMD
If your cat ingested the petroleum products recently, a stomach lavage (wash) will also be performed. Causing the cat to vomit is usually not wise under ...
http://www.petmd.com/cat/.../c_ct_pe...carbon_toxicos - Cached - Similar

Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook - Google Books Result
by Debra Eldredge, Delbert G. Carlson, Liisa D ... - 2007 - Pets - 626 pages
Never use a product made for dogs on a cat. PETROLEUM PRODUCTS Gasoline ... Ingesting these compounds will cause gastrointestinal upset and may burn the ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=047009530X...

Petroleum Product Poisoning: Introduction - The Merck Veterinary ...
Both dogs and cats may ingest petroleum products during grooming if their fur becomes contaminated. Dogs may ingest these products directly when they are ...
www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/htm/bc/212600.htm - Cached - Similar

So, how about it, Members - let's not offer Vaseline as a remedy for hairballs (or anything else) any longer - please.
Did someone recommend Vaseline for hairballs? I must have missed it and with my mod hat on I should not have missed it. Can you point it out for me so I can edit it please?
post #3 of 54
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Did someone recommend Vaseline for hairballs? I must have missed it and with my mod hat on I should not have missed it. Can you point it out for me so I can edit it please?
I'll try to locate - most of what I've been seeing are members commenting in his/her posts that they use vaseline ... I'll see if I can find the one(s) that got me going this morning.
gloria
post #4 of 54
I don't use the Vaseline (petroleum jelly) based products either.

Here is a search of petroleum jelly (Vaseline) in the Cat Health section.

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sea...archid=2397623
post #5 of 54
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Did someone recommend Vaseline for hairballs? I must have missed it and with my mod hat on I should not have missed it. Can you point it out for me so I can edit it please?
I sent you a PM with just one of my Search findings - by using Search, it was a lot faster than trying to find the post that was the "last straw", resulting in the topic of this thread.
post #6 of 54
I have seen several comments from members using vaseline...
In my house Butter is the remedy of choice.
post #7 of 54
Sorry, I'm going to have to speak up here in disagreement.

Liquid petrolatum (vaseline) is an ingredient in almost all commercially available hairball remedies. Go to all the vet sites and see if any of them agree with banning it.

The first link in the OP is a dead link. The second and third ones are referring to such petroleum products as motor oil, kerosene, diesel fuel, and gasoline. Do not feed those to your cat. They are bad for your cat. Is this news to anyone?

The problem with butter is that it is a fat completely digestible by cats; it doesn't make it to the parts that often need to be lubricated. You specifically need an indigestible oil.

Having said all that, such remedies need to be used in moderation. We once had a cat that we had to hide the hairball remedy or vaseline from, because he WOULD find it and he WOULD eat it all.
post #8 of 54
From: The Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook 2008 by Debra M Eldredge, Delbert G Carlson, Liisa D Carlson and James M Giffin

Put into my own words: for hairball prevention one can use several methods: brush your cat more often, use a hairball preventative (one of the many pastes that are petroleum based), white petroleum jelly or mineral oil.

It also notes to use caution as both mineral oil and petroleum jelly may decrease the absorption of fat-soluable vitamins if given in large doses or for a prolonged period. It also states that the home remedy of white petroleum jelly is safe and effective.
post #9 of 54
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Sorry, I'm going to have to speak up here in disagreement.

Liquid petrolatum (vaseline) is an ingredient in almost all commercially available hairball remedies. Go to all the vet sites and see if any of them agree with banning it.

The first link in the OP is a dead link. The second and third ones are referring to such petroleum products as motor oil, kerosene, diesel fuel, and gasoline. Do not feed those to your cat. They are bad for your cat. Is this news to anyone?

The problem with butter is that it is a fat completely digestible by cats; it doesn't make it to the parts that often need to be lubricated. You specifically need an indigestible oil.

Having said all that, such remedies need to be used in moderation. We once had a cat that we had to hide the hairball remedy or vaseline from, because he WOULD find it and he WOULD eat it all.
Thanks for checking the link, I thought it worked when I went to it.

I wouldn't use any of the over-the-counter remedies, either - nor, butter (don't think cow's milk products are that beneficial to cats) .

So, I'm thinking that something like Virgin Olive Oil, or Almond Oil would work - being digestible only would mean that it is still helpful to slide the hair balls down the pipes? My cats love Almond Oil.

I also find that grass is helpful - either getting it up, or "out". Surely, even tho' something is digestible wouldn't mean that it didn't work?

You raise good points to think about - guess I have more research to do.
Never-the-less --- I certainly don't think Vaseline is a safe product to ingest.
post #10 of 54
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Sorry, I'm going to have to speak up here in disagreement.

Liquid petrolatum (vaseline) is an ingredient in almost all commercially available hairball remedies. Go to all the vet sites and see if any of them agree with banning it.

The first link in the OP is a dead link.
This is the link that works: http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/...carbon_toxicos
I copied the address directly from the browser address field. The article doesn't identify "Vaseline" directly, it just talks about petroleum products in general.
g
post #11 of 54
I've never used vaseline on cats knowingly. That being said, I HAVE had a cat get sick from hairball paste (that I didn't realize had petrolatum) because she also snuck the tube and ate too much of it. Loose stools everywhere! Very nasty.

My new remedy that really helps is a little vegetable oil (about 1 tsp to 1 tblsp) beaten with a raw egg. (if you're worried about salmonella, search and read the "raw feeding" subforums) I've used extra virgin olive oil, but the scent seems to be too strong for cats to like it, so you may have to adjust what you use. Just a little info on what works for me.
post #12 of 54
It seems as though we have a pro and con thing going here so I'll just say that if I personally would not ingest vaseline then I'm certainly not going to give it to my cat. I'll stick with butter just as Carolina does.
post #13 of 54
Despite the fact that several of the cats have long hair only one had a real problem with hairballs. When he first arrived he would puke up 5 or 6 a day. He had a long, soft, thick coat, and given commercial hairball remedys would have loose stools everywhere.
He was here for over a year, and small pat of unsalted butter every week kept the hairballs down without upsetting his tummy.
He's found a permanant home, and has two little girls who brush him obsessively, and their Mom has yet to see a hairball!
post #14 of 54
2 of mine have really long hair, but only 1 seems to have a prob with hairballs.

I use a commercial prep, which contains petroleum jelly and some vitamins... We use it once a week if needed.

ETA: no side effects for the hairball remedy, however, I gave it to Kizzy once and within a couple days, he broke into rodent ulcer.... so I think something in it did not agree with him.
post #15 of 54
We haven't found anything to give Punkin, our hairball chucker, that he will take. We honestly don't mess with it. Brush him as much as we can, and clean up the occasional long yellow hairy cigar.

Truman, on the other hand, loved the commercial hair-ball remedy, but we used it so often to get him to take some other treatment that he got so he would both purr and growl while he ate it!

Petrolatum is "hyper refined" and is used in many medicines, skin treatments, lip balms, etc., both for humans and cats.

No, I don't use lip balm on any of my cats.
post #16 of 54
The laxatone ingredients are:

White Petrolatum USP, Light Mineral Oil NF, Corn Syrup, Malt Syrup, Soybean Oil, Cane Molasses, Water, Gelatin by-Products, Sodium Benzoate (preservative), and Artificial Flavors.

The ingredients for petroleum jelly are:

Active Ingredients: Petrolatum. Other Ingredients: Water, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, C12-15 Alkyl Lactate, Myreth-3 Myristate, Glycerin, Cetearyl Alcohol, Microcrystalline Wax, Tocopheryl Acetate Ceteareth-20, Carbomer, Tea, Ethylene Brassylate, Methylparaben, DMDM Hydantoin, Disodium EDTA, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate.

So while the main ingredient for both is petrolatum, it's the other ingredients in Vaseline that separate it from something like Laxatone and would prevent me from giving it to my cat.
post #17 of 54
I use what is needed.... normally butter or olive oil work but I have one who get some commercial hairball goop..

use all things moderately
post #18 of 54
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Originally posted by sarahp

The ingredients for petroleum jelly are:

Active Ingredients: Petrolatum. Other Ingredients: Water, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, C12-15 Alkyl Lactate, Myreth-3 Myristate, Glycerin, Cetearyl Alcohol, Microcrystalline Wax, Tocopheryl Acetate Ceteareth-20, Carbomer, Tea, Ethylene Brassylate, Methylparaben, DMDM Hydantoin, Disodium EDTA, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate.
Are these the ingredients in Vaseline 100% Pure Petroleum Jelly or some other product?

Could you possibly post the link to the above information?

Thanks!
post #19 of 54
Thread Starter 
http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/pro...?prod_id=71042
(Warning to Humans)

"... Warnings from packaging: For external use only. Avoid contact with eyes. Not for eye makeup removal. If condition worsens or does not improve within seven days, consult a doctor. Not to be applied over deep or puncture wounds, infections, or lacerations. Keep out of the reach of children."
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http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-petroleum-jelly.htm
(Another warning to humans)

"...Some people recommend petroleum jelly for chapped, runny noses, especially in the winter. Unfortunately, petroleum jelly should not be used around the nose, as it can cause a condition called lipid pneumonia, a lung infection caused by the inhalation of fats. It may also interfere with the nose's ability to naturally scrub air as you inhale, which could also contribute to lung infections. ... ".
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...7190257AA4RKa0
" ... * Toluene – Poison! Danger! Harmful or fatal if swallowed! Harmful if inhaled or absorbed through the skin. Made from petroleum or coal tar, and found in most synthetic fragrances. Chronic exposure linked to anemia, lowered blood cell count, liver or kidney damage, and may affect a developing fetus. Butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) contains toluene. Other names may include benzoic and benzyl. ... "
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There are so many things to learn about Vaseline - interesting that stores promote it for burns, when there are warnings in other places about doing that very thing - may cause bacterial to be trapped, resulting in infections.
Then there are so many types of Vaseline, ugh.

Even the SPCA talks about using it on pets. They don't specify which Vaseline to use, though - they should.

I guess we all get to take our chances as to the decisions to use it on our pets - after reading all the warnings that I found - and, by all means couldn't possibly list all the websites here - I'm not sure if I even want to use it on myself.

I wonder how many people are going to be careful to use a certain kind of Vaseline on their pet for them to ingest?

So after using it from time-to-time, and your cat begins to have kidney problems, I wonder about how Vaseline usage might contribute to the kidney getting clogged up and damaged? Just wondering "out loud".

Since I'm the one who pays the vet bills (not to even mention the pain and suffering my cat may be going through), I'm going to be saying "NO" to Vaseline.
post #20 of 54
Please note the second one would apply to butter, too.
post #21 of 54
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Please note the second one would apply to butter, too.
Well most of us don't put butter around our nose unless we want to be licked to death by our butter-loving cats whereas some people might well put vaseline on their nose.

FWIW, long ago and far away . . . people put butter on burns which we all now know is a big no-no. So, the moral of the story here is that we can all learn something every day. I know since I came on this site I have learned many, many things and continue to learn each day.
post #22 of 54
An interesting note.....the guy who invented Vaseline took a spoonful every morning. He lived to be 101, so it can't be too bad for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Chesebrough

I figure it's the same as Laxatone, just unflavored. Fine for moderate use. But none of my cats will take it anyway. They won't take Laxatone, either .
post #23 of 54
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post
An interesting note.....the guy who invented Vaseline took a spoonful every morning. He lived to be 101, so it can't be too bad for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Chesebrough

I figure it's the same as Laxatone, just unflavored. Fine for moderate use. But none of my cats will take it anyway. They won't take Laxatone, either .
I wonder how his body size and weight would compare to a cat's? Could be a spoonful for him would be like a microscopic amount for a cat? DK - just saying.
post #24 of 54
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I wonder how his body size and weight would compare to a cat's? Could be a spoonful for him would be like a microscopic amount for a cat? DK - just saying.
Also, I highly doubt the formula is the same as in 1870....
post #25 of 54
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Also, I highly doubt the formula is the same as in 1870....
IDK. It would seem that "100% pure petroleum jelly" couldn't be formulated any other way.....but I'm not sure. Wonder if an e-mail to the company would be helpful.
post #26 of 54
I don't know where that long list of ingredients came from, but it doesn't seem to be for your standard Vaseline, which, as far as I can discern, is 100% white petrolatum, as I said in my first post.
post #27 of 54
I had to check, and my Petroleum jelly's ingreds are: white petroleum jelly USP but then I don't use the trademarked Vaseline, I use a no name brand.

Perhaps the brand Vaseline is the one with the funky ingreds, and that is the one that has changed over the yrs.
post #28 of 54
here is what their page says:

Vaseline® Petroleum Jelly is a mixture of mineral oils, paraffin and microcrystalline waxes that, when blended together, create something remarkable - a smooth jelly that has a melting point just above body temperature. The result - it literally melts into skin, flowing into the spaces between cells and the gaps in our lipid barrier. Once there, it re-solidifies, locking itself in place.

And here is the safety sheet for it - it says it is not safe to be ingested.... so... why is it not safe for humans, but it is for cats? Another safety data sheet
post #29 of 54
I read the safety data sheet (the first one; the second one is some format my computer doesn't know how to open). It says that white petrolatum (Vaseline) is safe to use in pharmaceuticals and and cosmetics.
post #30 of 54
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Also, I highly doubt the formula is the same as in 1870....
there is no formula, it's 100% petroleum jelly

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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
I don't know where that long list of ingredients came from, but it doesn't seem to be for your standard Vaseline, which, as far as I can discern, is 100% white petrolatum, as I said in my first post.
you beat me to it!

Vaseline(tm)is a Brand Name for one petroleum jelly. generic brands are not called Vaseline, just petroleum jelly.

I know someone who uses plain petroleum jelly for hair balls, as advised by her vet. I do not.

I use several different made for cats hairball remedies. Cat lax, petromalt, and laxatone. I rotate them.

the laxatone ingredients have already been listed, (active ingredients are white petroleum and mineral oil) but the Cat Lax active ingredient is cod liver oil, and the petromalt active ingredient is mineral oil.

The most efficient way to use any hairball remedy is to give it on an empty stomach at least an hour before a meal. Hairball remedies are non digestible and glom to the fur (and anything else) in the esophagus, stomach and intestine.

If they are given near meal time they will interfere with nutrient absorption.

Hairball remedies are habit forming, meaning the cat's body will become dependent on them for bowel movements, if used too often, so they should be used no more than three times a week during shedding season (in most places that is April-October) and only once or twice a week the rest of the year.

Daily grooming, for the cat who will allow it always helps, but remedy may still be needed.
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