Doll faced Persians?

Originally Posted by FerrisCat

As of now, they are simply pet quality Persians, and should be priced respectively.

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Most breeders I know (variety of breeds) charge the same for pet or show neuters, yet I often see 'traditional' or doll face Persians advertised for twice (or more) the show quality Persian price.

I feel sorry for anyone conned into paying thousands for pet quality Persians. If you don't like the flat face there are other long haired breeds to choose from.

I have had mixed cats and some died very young so saying they live longer then pedigrees is not always true.
You can trace the lines in pedigrees and get rid of the bad lines.
Some sphynx carry HCM and they get scanned for that.
My oldest cat is Coco who had a seal point siamese mom.
She is mixed.
My aunts Pedigree Persian was 22 when she died.
People should not put down pedigree cats when they know nothing about them.
The breeders do a lot of testing to make the lines better.
The Doll Face breeders charge way more then the standard breeders do for a pet quality cat.
My Coco has health problems but it is because she is old.

Originally Posted by Duchess15

All purebred cats will have more health problems than a regular stray cat. It is in their genetics.

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LMAO xDD That must be one of the things I've heard in a long time!
Now, let's turn the 'common sense' mode on, ok? So tell me, how many 'regular stray cats' do you know that have been tested for several deseases before it was mated with another cat? What was the result? How about the hereditary problems, where they checked as well?
Now compare them to a pedigreed cat.
You do know that if deseases etc. aren't looked for, you propably don't find them unless they are really obvious and in your face. Same goes with hereditary problems, if you don't know what's in the familylines, how do you breed them out/fix them? When health issues are on purpose looked for, of course you will find more of them than if you just ignore them. That's what breeding is about, producing healthy cats. You can't be sure if your cat is healthy if you don't know anything about it's lines/history.

Sorry if I'm not making any sense, it must be the language barrier..

I've only had pedigreed cats. The first one, Persian, was never sick. He died at the age of 19. My current cats (not Persians) have never been sick either, outcluding a urinary problem which was caused by bad food and stress before I got the cat.

BTW rather then add photos of my own cats to this thread you can now see them through my cat pages. See if you can pick out the doll face.

I can't find any doll face ones on your webpage - all I see are some lovely Persian/Exotics that fit the written standard but are not overly extreme

Okay--here's another question that may deserve its own thread What is a Peke-faced Persian? Is this another gimmicky pet term (kind of like teacup Chihuahua ) or is this legit?
Regarding purebred vs. mutt re: health...I agree with those saying how can you KNOW if mutts are healthier if they are untested?? Same is true in dogs and I'll argue the point there as well. It is all in what genes you are working with...."mutt" cats and dogs are not immune to unhealthy genes just by virtue of being "mutts"!! If you have a healthy line of animals and you linebreed on those animals, you are duplicating those healthy genes (sophomorically speaking); if the gene for a given health problem isn't there..it is not going to pop up out of nowhere just due to a linebreeding! But I digress..as usual

Okay. That may have been a dumb question. I think I've found the answer, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Peke-faced is simply what some people call the show standard Persians, as opposed to the other, so-called "doll" face. I guess neither one is a proper term because they are just Persians, period, some meeting the standard, others not. Am I right?

Peke-faced was used for extreme cats back in the 70's when I first started showing.

Originally Posted by Allmycats

I guess neither one is a proper term because they are just Persians, period, some meeting the standard, others not. Am I right?

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I'd agree with this

Peke faced is a very outdated kitty and yes Martice you hit the nail on the head

I never hear Persian exhibitors use that term. I only ever hear the term "Peke faced" from those who criticize show quality Persians and wish to make a connection between Persians and Pekingese--usually in the context of making broad claims against the health of show quality Persians and extolling the superior health of their "doll faced" cats.

Originally Posted by FerrisCat

I never hear Persian exhibitors use that term. I only ever hear the term "Peke faced" from those who criticize show quality Persians and wish to make a connection between Persians and Pekingese--usually in the context of making broad claims against the health of show quality Persians and extolling the superior health of their "doll faced" cats.

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Oooh, yikes! That's kind of what I thought after I thought about it for a bit. I remember hearing the term YEARS ago (like, 20 years ago or more)..it was NOT on the internet...perhaps in a book or cat magazine even?? Shows how easily one can be taken in by misinformation. Ugh.

Another interesting tibbit of info - (from cat books in the 70's). Peke-face was only used to describe Red or Red Tabby cats! I remember one book called them "hot house flowers" because they were more prone to problems and breeders had a hard time breeding them.