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post #61 of 80
In the Boston Globe this morning


Kennedy, looking ahead, urges that Senate seat be filled quickly

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...f_senate_seat/
post #62 of 80
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
This has nothing to do with "hero worship", but rather what I would see as villanization of one who is the anithesis of one's personal politics on your side. When his doctors who were there to physically examine President ReAgan say that there was no reason to believe that the Alzheimer's began to affect him within 4 years of his presidency, who are you to say that it did going off of public appearances? Because you're a nurse? That doesn't give you some sort of omnipotence to see past the television screen and give a diagnosis. Are you saying that you have a better knowledge of him as a person (not political figure) than his doctors who, again, were able to administer a battery of tests which you have no access to?
Here's a tidbit I googled that makes a point by saying that a president's doctors DO lie for them if asked! Remember JFK and his Addison's disease denials?

Atlantic Monthly (11-18-02): Robert Dallek discusses new revelations about President Kennedy's serious health problems and his efforts to keep them hidden.

Dallek discovered that Kennedy worked hard throughout his life to hide his sickliness from others. In college he tried to obtain his prescriptions in secret, and during his military service (which was made possible only by using his father's connections to persuade the military physicians to overlook his problems), he refused to report to the infirmary, even after he strained his back rescuing several of his men when a Japanese destroyer sank his boat. Later, when he went into politics, keeping his health problems a secret came to seem even more important. If the public knew how ill he really was, and how many heavy-duty medications he needed to take just in order to function normally, he feared that voters would be unwilling to take a chance on him. Thus, he took his medications in secret, avoided being seen with doctors, and concentrated on moving normally and concealing his pain when in public. When aides to Lyndon B. Johnson, his opponent for the 1960 Democratic nomination, reported to the media that Kennedy had Addison's disease, Kennedy responded by having his doctors issue a statement denying the illness, and proclaiming him to be in "excellent" health.
post #63 of 80
Well, President Reagan, years after he was OUT of office, was examined by a TEAM of doctors at the Mayo Clinic after he underwent brain surgery to remove a small tumor and the TEAM of doctors said he showed NO signs of any impairment at that time and that was a few years AFTER he left the office of the Presidency. Gotta read those links.
post #64 of 80
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Well, President Reagan, years after he was OUT of office, was examined by a TEAM of doctors at the Mayo Clinic after he underwent brain surgery to remove a small tumor and the TEAM of doctors said he showed NO signs of any impairment at that time and that was a few years AFTER he left the office of the Presidency. Gotta read those links.
Wellll, I know his wife Nancy ran a really tight ship with anything re. her Ronnie.

Remember when he was shot? It didn't come out till years later that he was very close to dying of his wounds.

Speaking of links. Here's something I ran across:

Former CBS White House correspondent Lesley Stahl recalls an interview when he was president where "a vacant Reagan barely seemed to realize anyone else was in the room," and that before he "reemerged into alertness" she recalls that "I had come that close to reporting that Reagan was senile."[215] But Dr. Lawrence K. Altman, a physician employed as a reporter for the New York Times, noted that "the line between mere forgetfulness and the beginning of Alzheimer's can be fuzzy"

Yes, it is a slippery slope when it comes to diagnosing Alzheimers, but hindsight IS 20/20 and I personally believe he was starting to 'slip' mentally during his secod term after seeing him on TV giving a State of the Union Address [or some such] and noticing he was just "out of it". It made me feel sad for him.
post #65 of 80
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If doctors can conspire to protect the likes of Michael Jackson, and cover up his drug addiction, I have no trouble believing that doctors can and will cover up for the President or any other person in a high power position.
post #66 of 80
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If doctors can conspire to protect the likes of Michael Jackson, and cover up his drug addiction, I have no trouble believing that doctors can and will cover up for the President or any other person in a high power position.
Ab-so-LUTE-ly!
post #67 of 80
Thread Starter 
Kennedy wants it both ways, depending on which party the Gov. of MA belongs to.

http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/2008/0...ators-and.html

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Since Senator Kennedy's diagnosis of a brain tumor, the question has arisen about how the next person will be selected. Before 2004, the governor had the power to appoint a successor. In 2004, the law was changed to require an election. The election should take place not more than 160 days, and no less than 145 days after the vacancy is created by submission of a letter of resignation. The law is chapter 54 section 140.
Before 2004, the Governor was Mitt Romney, a Republican. That was the year John Kerry was opposing GWB in the Presidental election. Naturally Kennedy was in favor of that change in 2004, fearing that if Kerry won then Romney would appoint a Republican! Now Kennedy is concerned that his successor be promptly APPOINTED by the Governor, and not left to the chance of an election. Wonder why?
post #68 of 80
This directly relates to the original post Ted Kennedy needs to resign! Column in today's Boston Globe
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...should_resign/

More from today's Globe, also on this issue
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...ower_politics/
post #69 of 80
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Violet View Post
This directly relates to the original post Ted Kennedy needs to resign! Column in today's Boston Globe
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...should_resign/

More from today's Globe, also on this issue
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...ower_politics/
Excellent articles, both of them! Thank you Violet!
post #70 of 80
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
Kennedy wants it both ways, depending on which party the Gov. of MA belongs to.

http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/2008/0...ators-and.html



Before 2004, the Governor was Mitt Romney, a Republican. That was the year John Kerry was opposing GWB in the Presidental election. Naturally Kennedy was in favor of that change in 2004, fearing that if Kerry won then Romney would appoint a Republican! Now Kennedy is concerned that his successor be promptly APPOINTED by the Governor, and not left to the chance of an election. Wonder why?
Well, let's be fair. What they're proposing right now is that the governor can appoint a replacement, but only until the special election 145-160 days later and the appointed person has to sign a statement declaring he won't run in the special election.

That said, I look at it like this: The people of Massachusetts elected a Democrat, and a very liberal one at that, to serve as their United States senator. Don't you think it would be a slap in the face to the people of MS if the governor replaced him with a Republican? What if the tables were turned and an extremely conservative senator like Chuck Grassley dropped dead tomorrow and the governor replaced him with someone like Russ Feingold or Dennis Kucinich? A change like that could change the odds of passage of the health care bill in the Senate from questionable to shoo-in. Should a governor really have the power to change national politics like that, especially in light of the fact the people elected a conservative Republican?

Honestly, I think the best thing for Massachusetts to do would be to change the law in a party-neutral way: Allow the senior member of the senator's state party to appoint the replacement. If the senator is a Democrat and the governor is a Republican, the responsibility goes to either the Speaker of the state legislature or the minority leader, depending on who is in control. That way they wouldn't have this silly switching around of the laws every few years.
post #71 of 80
I don't think a governor or any single person should have the say on who gets a Senate seat when there is vacancy during a term. I feel it should fall to the voters to elect a person to finish out that term.
post #72 of 80
He passed - may he rest in peace. Condolences to the folks in Maine for their loss. I was listening to CBC doing a blurb on him this morning - he seemed to be a good man. He was human and made errors, but all in all he was a good man.
post #73 of 80
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
He passed - may he rest in peace. Condolences to the folks in Maine for their loss. I was listening to CBC doing a blurb on him this morning - he seemed to be a good man. He was human and made errors, but all in all he was a good man.
Massachusetts, not Maine.
post #74 of 80
RIP Mr Kennedy.
post #75 of 80
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Originally Posted by GingersMom View Post
Massachusetts, not Maine.
Ooops! Well, I was in the right area, sort of! Dumb mistake on my part since I have actually visited the area where the Kennedys' have their estate.
post #76 of 80
Thread Starter 
Megyn Kelley with Cal Thomas gave a very good tribute to TK. It was particularly interesting to hear Cal Thomas speaking highly of Ted. Apparently they were good friends even though they had different political philosophies. Everyone, even his political enemies, agrees that he was a public servant and worked tirelessly to support and pass major legislation that has impacted all of us - some for the better, and maybe some not.

TK was a man with human failings, but I believe a good heart. May he rest in peace.
post #77 of 80
RIP Ted Kennedy.
post #78 of 80
Rest in Peace Senator Kennedy. My sympathy to his family.
post #79 of 80
Thread Starter 
I believe no one is all good or all bad and that applies to Kennedy.

http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/2008/0...ators-and.html
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Since Senator Kennedy's diagnosis of a brain tumor, the question has arisen about how the next person will be selected. Before 2004, the governor had the power to appoint a successor. In 2004, the law was changed to require an election. The election should take place not more than 160 days, and no less than 145 days after the vacancy is created by submission of a letter of resignation. (or death)
Had Kennedy only resigned when he was no longer able to fulfill his duties as Senator, then the clock would already have started, and the election of a new Senator wouldn't still be 5 months away.
post #80 of 80
I know the man had some controversies in his life, but as I watched a public TV special on the Kennedy family tonight, I gained a deeper insight into the personal demons he faced after the death of 2 of his brothers. May he rest in peace.

Here is an e-mail that I received this evening from the president's office. A fitting tribute to a man that served this country longer than most of us have been alive.


Michelle and I were heartbroken to learn this morning of the death of our dear friend, Senator Ted Kennedy.

For nearly five decades, virtually every major piece of legislation to advance the civil rights, health and economic well-being of the American people bore his name and resulted from his efforts.

His ideas and ideals are stamped on scores of laws and reflected in millions of lives -- in seniors who know new dignity; in families that know new opportunity; in children who know education's promise; and in all who can pursue their dream in an America that is more equal and more just, including me.

In the United States Senate, I can think of no one who engendered greater respect or affection from members of both sides of the aisle. His seriousness of purpose was perpetually matched by humility, warmth and good cheer. He battled passionately on the Senate floor for the causes that he held dear, and yet still maintained warm friendships across party lines. And that's one reason he became not only one of the greatest senators of our time, but one of the most accomplished Americans ever to serve our democracy.

I personally valued his wise counsel in the Senate, where, regardless of the swirl of events, he always had time for a new colleague. I cherished his confidence and momentous support in my race for the Presidency. And even as he waged a valiant struggle with a mortal illness, I've benefited as President from his encouragement and wisdom.

His fight gave us the opportunity we were denied when his brothers John and Robert were taken from us: the blessing of time to say thank you and goodbye. The outpouring of love, gratitude and fond memories to which we've all borne witness is a testament to the way this singular figure in American history touched so many lives.

For America, he was a defender of a dream. For his family, he was a guardian. Our hearts and prayers go out to them today -- to his wonderful wife, Vicki, his children Ted Jr., Patrick and Kara, his grandchildren and his extended family.

Today, our country mourns. We say goodbye to a friend and a true leader who challenged us all to live out our noblest values. And we give thanks for his memory, which inspires us still.

Sincerely,

President Barack Obama
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