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Hi

I took Bugsy to the vet today, as his eye was a little irritated, and not getting better. It actually never got completely better from his last URI, and I wanted to make sure this is not going to impact his vision. I also wanted to check on his teeth condition, since I am postponing his dental treatment while treating with vitamins and supplements.
Anyway - let's go issue by issue:
1- Eyes: Per vet, he is very likely a chronic herpes carrier, and his eye will be irritated on and off for life. He said to continue to give 500mg of L-Lysine daily, as this is likely the reason why he hasn't had another URI, and is holding off so well. He told me that if it was not for the L-Lysine, his eye would be much worst too. He gave me terramycin to use 2x day, for 3-5 days, as needed.

2- Teeth: He was once again impressed with the the improvement of his gums - he said to keep up whatever I ma doing, and that it is much much better. We both think we will be able to keep surgery at bay for a while! While in there, I saw an ointment called Biotene - Antiseptic Oral Gel (enzymeatic formula for severe mouth infections, and asked him about it. He said it could very well help, and to try it - I will let you all know.

3- Weight: Bugsy is FAT!!! He weighs 18lbs, and the vet said he needs to los a good 2-3lbs. He also said to NOT put him in a diet - he rather see him fat than sick with Hepatic Lypidosis... He said that the time we worked on ER clinics was enough to leave him paranoid about it... So... He recommended 2 things:
*Adding fiber to his diet (recommended psyllum, but I am not sure if that's the best option?)
*Change his food to a food for diabetic cats, called Purina DM.

4- Overall Health: He told me flat out that Bugsy's immune system is messed up, really BAD, probably due to poor breeding practices and inbreeding. He said that considering he is purebred and a rare white ragdoll (usually pointed, white is a "new fad"), there is probably a very small gene pool, and he was likely the result of inbreeding... Anyway, hope I do make sense? So, all all his problems, are due to a BAD immune system... And he thinks he is not actually allergic to chicken - he thinks he probably has IBS.

I asked him if he can have a regular lifespam, with a good quality of life, and he said "Sure"!, but he will always require lots of TLC...

Just to wrap it up, he has been doing VERY well; besides this minor irritation on his eye, he is a healthy and strong boy... Hi gingivitis is getting better by the day, hasn't had an URI in a long time, and no Diarrhea attacks either!
I do take him to the vet more often than not due to his gingivitis - I want to keep it in check and prevent possible complications, such as internal infections...
Anyway - thanks for reading!!!! Please, if you do have experiences with Purina DM, I would love to hear it!
post #2 of 7
You are taking very good care of him! I was wondering what supps & vits you are giving him? Is it mainly for oral health or for his immune system also?
post #3 of 7
Awesome!! Bugsy is so cute! I love the name as well

My Bonnie has Gingavitis, we actually renamed her nickname from Princess Boogers, since she always has boogers, to Ms. Ginger Vitis lol. She seems as sickly as your guy.

What do you do for Bugsys teeth? Just out of curiosity. Bonnie is going to need something more then what we are doing.

I am happy Bugsy is well! Poor guy with his troubles.
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You are taking very good care of him! I was wondering what supps & vits you are giving him? Is it mainly for oral health or for his immune system also?
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Originally Posted by BaloneysMom View Post
Awesome!! Bugsy is so cute! I love the name as well

My Bonnie has Gingavitis, we actually renamed her nickname from Princess Boogers, since she always has boogers, to Ms. Ginger Vitis lol. She seems as sickly as your guy.

What do you do for Bugsys teeth? Just out of curiosity. Bonnie is going to need something more then what we are doing.

I am happy Bugsy is well! Poor guy with his troubles.
Bugsy gets supplements for both his gums and immune system, and for his intestinal health as well...
Bugsy gets daily: 1 capsule of Transfer Factor Classic, 60mg of CoQ10 w/250mg of fish oil, 500mg of L-Lysine, 1/8tsp of NZyme (enzymes and probiotics). All mixed into his wet food.
Transfer Factor Classic is a immune modulator, which means it balances the immune system - it is important to be the classic, as for gingivitis you actually want to reduce the immune-response to his teeth; same thing with allergies.
CoQ10 is known to help with gum diseases (and heart as well) - it is better assimilated by the system if taken with fish oil.
L-Lysine is a immune system booster, and keeps his herpes in check, preventing URI.
NZyme has probiotics encapsulated enzymes, which ensures they will reach the intestine, where they are actually needed. If the enzymes are not encapsulated, they will likely be killed by stomach acids.
Please note: I am NOT a vet, and these are my experiences only. These are not to be taken as a treatment, cure, nor a prescription for your cats. Please discuss with your vet before starting any supplement program.
Bugsy still has gingivitis - and will probably have until a more drastic treatment takes shape, like full mouth extraction... However it has been greatly improved. When I started this program, his gums were deeply inflamed, swollen and bleeding. They would bleed at any minor touch... just really raw. Today they still show the very red line around the teeth, but that's it. They are not raw, or swollen, or bleeding anymore. I can massage his cheeks and he shows no pain at all. I believe this program has also helped his health overall - he hasn't had another URI, and his GI tract is much calmer... I will keep him in this program for a long time, until something better comes along...
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1- Eyes: Per vet, he is very likely a chronic herpes carrier, and his eye will be irritated on and off for life. He said to continue to give 500mg of L-Lysine daily, as this is likely the reason why he hasn't had another URI, and is holding off so well. He told me that if it was not for the L-Lysine, his eye would be much worst too. He gave me terramycin to use 2x day, for 3-5 days, as needed
Ask your vet to administer the IDEXX Real PCR URD test so you can know for sure if your Bugsy has feline herpes. The test is extremely accurate, so there is no more need to say that he's likely a carrier.

Lysine doesn't prevent another outbreak. Lysine interferes with the replication of the herpes virus, but your cat can still have a herpes flare up while on lysine. If your cat does test positive for herpes, eliminating grain from his diet will help as the arginine in the grain causes the virus to keep producing. Keeping the stress down in your home will also help keep the virus in check, but almost anything can set it off again.

Switching him to an all wet diet, if he's not already on an all wet diet, will help him to lose weight.
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Ask your vet to administer the IDEXX Real PCR URD test so you can know for sure if your Bugsy has feline herpes. The test is extremely accurate, so there is no more need to say that he's likely a carrier.

Lysine doesn't prevent another outbreak. Lysine interferes with the replication of the herpes virus, but your cat can still have a herpes flare up while on lysine. If your cat does test positive for herpes, eliminating grain from his diet will help as the arginine in the grain causes the virus to keep producing. Keeping the stress down in your home will also help keep the virus in check, but almost anything can set it off again.

Switching him to an all wet diet, if he's not already on an all wet diet, will help him to lose weight.
Thanks... but I am pretty sure he is in fact a chronic carrier... He is already on a grain free diet, under very little stress, and the L-Lysine IS helping a lot. I am positive of that, as before he started taking it he was having URIs frequently, including pretty bad eye infections... I know a lot of things can trigger it again... I also know that he can have a flare up on Lysine, but I am pretty convinced that it is making a huge difference for him - which also supports my "suspicion" of him being a herpes carrier. There is no medicine for herpes, and nothing more than what I am already doing, so IMO, (for Bugsy), it is pointless to have the test done. If I were running in circles, and nothing of what I was doing was working, then yes, I would agree that a test would be a good idea - but it is not this case - what I am doing is working, and keeping him healthy.
As far as the wet diet: I feed him as much wet as he will eat (which is not much), but I need to have dry food around as Lucky doesn't eat ANY wet at all; so he does eat dry as well. He eats Orijen and Acana, grain free, high protein, low carbs...

For now I am going to add fiber into his wet food, to make him feel fuller....
post #7 of 7
Thank you for the info on the vits. It gives me a starting point of where to begin looking and what to bring up to my vet next visit.
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