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post #31 of 48
I said, "mostly", not "ALL". No worries


This is hilarious, read what Ann Coulter has to say about the birthers.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33032

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Obama Birth Certificate Spotted In Bogus Moon Landing Footage

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Inasmuch as the "birther" movement was hatched in the station wagon of MSNBC's favorite left-wing fantasist, Larry Johnson, maybe the mainstream media can stop acting as if it's a creation of the Republican National Committee.
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I said, "mostly", not "ALL". No worries


This is hilarious, read what Ann Coulter has to say about the birthers.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33032



ROFLMAO!! I like you ckblv!
post #33 of 48
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Originally Posted by Allmycats View Post
ROFLMAO!! I like you ckblv!
Hey, thanks, you can call me Cindy.
post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
There ARE minorities in the group.

And just as a wake-up call, ANY main-stream group in the U.S. will be predominantly white. That's kind of what main-stream means, which is to say, representative of the majority of Americans.

I noticed that one of the main leaders of the Birthers, though, has an odd accent. And she's incapable of giving straight answers to questions.

Is this what we'd call the John Birth Society?
Flip answers from me aside I will have to respectively say that minorities are not statistically represenative in this group. That is not to say this group is racist but the overall impression that they give has racial undertones.

Barack Obama's citizentry has been verified by the Govenor of Hawaii, the Hawaii health director has verified it, two newspapers published his birth as per Hawaii rules, not the family. So why is there a need for more? People keep saying for him to release it but why should he? Because it wouldn't stop there. They first demanded proof of citizenship. He provided the accepted forms to verify his birth in Hawaii and it should have stopped there. But it didn't. Then they wanted the long form. It sets a bad precedent of giving in to unreasonable extra demand when you have fulfilled the requirements especially when there would probably be something else after that. Perpetuating the perception that a black man will always have to do more than the next person. It harkens back to history where African Americans were given the right to vote only to have literacy laws and other obstacles put in their way. You may say that is not what this movement is about but it is all about perceptions.

Right now the perception from alot of people is if they don't think that the birthers are outright wacky is that they can't stand to see a black man as President and they will continue to find reason he shouldn't be President. You can disagree with it but it is out there and it is rubbing off on the GOP. Ten GOP senators have given legitimacy to this movement. This may help them with their base but does not do the party as a whole any good. I find this unfortunate as I truly hoped with Micheal Steele the GOP would do more outreach to minorities and build a more diverse base. I would like to see both parties represented among the US population.
post #35 of 48
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Flip answers from me aside I will have to respectively say that minorities are not statistically represenative in this group. That is not to say this group is racist but the overall impression that they give has racial undertones.

Barack Obama's citizentry has been verified by the Govenor of Hawaii, the Hawaii health director has verified it, two newspapers published his birth as per Hawaii rules, not the family. So why is there a need for more? People keep saying for him to release it but why should he? Because it wouldn't stop there. They first demanded proof of citizenship. He provided the accepted forms to verify his birth in Hawaii and it should have stopped there. But it didn't. Then they wanted the long form. It sets a bad precedent of giving in to unreasonable extra demand when you have fulfilled the requirements especially when there would probably be something else after that. Perpetuating the perception that a black man will always have to do more than the next person. It harkens back to history where African Americans were given the right to vote only to have literacy laws and other obstacles put in their way. You may say that is not what this movement is about but it is all about perceptions.

Right now the perception from alot of people is if they don't think that the birthers are outright wacky is that they can't stand to see a black man as President and they will continue to find reason he shouldn't be President. You can disagree with it but it is out there and it is rubbing off on the GOP. Ten GOP senators have given legitimacy to this movement. This may help them with their base but does not do the party as a whole any good. I find this unfortunate as I truly hoped with Micheal Steele the GOP would do more outreach to minorities and build a more diverse base. I would like to see both parties represented among the US population.
post #36 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz View Post
He is of course African-American, the same way people of part Irish decent call themselves, Irish-Americans. You really don't believe that all the folks that march in NYC's St. Patrick's Day Parade are 100% Irish-American do ya? Shush, don't tell anyone but some are part Italian!!!! Shush! LOL Now let's talk about Christopher Columbus Day and Italian-Americans!

Barack Obama IS African-American! Like it or not!
(from a person with Jewish heritage, with an Irish last name, with one half part Russian, Hungarian and Czech thrown in--just from one generation! OY GEVALT BABY!
No, he is not African American. He is in fact, BI RACIAL. Not that I really care, I didn't vote for him because of that reason. I didn't vote for him because he is, in fact, an ignoramus
post #37 of 48
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
No, he is not African American. He is in fact, BI RACIAL. Not that I really care, I didn't vote for him because of that reason. I didn't vote for him because he is, in fact, an ignoramus
Actually he is African-American, as his father was African and his mother American. Kenyan-American would be more precise. That's an ethnic expression, rather than racial. Physical anthropologists would talk about Caucasoid, Mongoloid or Negroid features, e.g., when classifying remains.
post #38 of 48
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Actually he is African-American, as his father was African and his mother American. Kenyan-American would be more precise. That's an ethnic expression, rather than racial. Physical anthropologists would talk about Caucasoid, Mongoloid or Negroid features, e.g., when classifying remains.
Semantically, yeah; but you and I both know that African-American is simply the classification that replaced "black" (even though you'll find African-American and "White" on the same page...things that make you go "Hmmm???"); so I KNOW what the previous poster meant when he/she said that he's NOT African-American. And I think you know too.

When I was applying for jobs as a youngster a bunch of years ago and this PC BS was already happening, I used to add the category "European American" and check it...JUST to be smug
post #39 of 48
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Semantically, yeah; but you and I both know that African-American is simply the classification that replaced "black" (even though you'll find African-American and "White" on the same page...things that make you go "Hmmm???"); so I KNOW what the previous poster meant when he/she said that he's NOT African-American. And I think you know too.

When I was applying for jobs as a youngster a bunch of years ago and this PC BS was already happening, I used to add the category "European American" and check it...JUST to be smug
We need to quit using these code words, don't you think?

Given the choice, I always check "Native American." Which, I assure you, by very definition I am. Now, "Aboriginal American," I am not.
post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
We need to quit using these code words, don't you think?

Given the choice, I always check "Native American." Which, I assure you, by very definition I am. Now, "Aboriginal American," I am not.
I always want to check "other-human"
post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by ebrillblaiddes View Post
I always want to check "other-human"
When my husband was a teenager, the quirky head honcho's application gave the choices male, female, other......my husband checked "other"...........and got the job Guess they figured he had a sense of humor
post #42 of 48
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
A legitimate birth certificate would probably do it.
He's already produced one, ages ago.

There's not a thing in the world that either he or anyone else could do to convince the fringe element who wishes to believe he couldn't possibly legitimately be our President.
post #43 of 48
At this point in time - who cares about the BC issue - the more important one is the ObamaCare health plan that everyone will be forced into sooner or later. He's lying thru his teeth that we can keep our health plan if we like it - the bill plans on making the employers switch to the government plan in 5 yrs or face penalties.
post #44 of 48
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
At this point in time - who cares about the BC issue - the more important one is the ObamaCare health plan that everyone will be forced into sooner or later. He's lying thru his teeth that we can keep our health plan if we like it - the bill plans on making the employers switch to the government plan in 5 yrs or face penalties.
Where is your proof? I would really like to know. I have a hard time supporting or protesting this health care bill, because I have no idea what it's going to include at this point.
post #45 of 48
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He's already produced one, ages ago.
Actually, he hasn't. External evidence (birth announcements, etc.) indicates he was likely born when and where he claims, but he has not shown (in public) a real birth certificate. Many strategists believe he has one, and he's withholding it to make the opponents look as nutty as they actually are.
post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Actually, he hasn't. External evidence (birth announcements, etc.) indicates he was likely born when and where he claims, but he has not shown (in public) a real birth certificate. Many strategists believe he has one, and he's withholding it to make the opponents look as nutty as they actually are.
Actually, I believe he has released one, ages ago.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

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We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
post #47 of 48
That is a pretty good article. And the item looks genuine to me.

I HAVE seen another certificate that didn't look like that.

I have a certain amount of experience in some aspects of this situation. For example, until just a few years ago, my brother didn't have an actual official birth certificate. He had the hospital birth certificate (similar to the one you may find in some of the e-mails about Obama), but not an official one. He used the hospital certificate to join the Navy, etc. Finally, he requested an official certificate and got it.

One problem with Obama's certificate is the difference in name between his mother and father. My birth certificate is similar, and can only be released at my request. In addition, my marriage certificate, filed in Massachusetts, also requires my written request; no one else can get it.

But, as I have stated before, I believe the whole thing is moot, because I think the Supreme Court would uphold Obama's citizenship, even if he was born in Kenya.
post #48 of 48
I feel the same mrblanche. His mother was a legal US citizen.
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