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post #1 of 48
8/4/09 at 12:49pm
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25444.html

Last night on TV I saw people (somewhere in Texas) rallying at a supposed healthcare town hall, yelling about this issue, carrying Confederate flags. Very scary in my view. What kind of H20 are people drinking? How much more proof do they need that Obama is a natural-born citizen?
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post #2 of 48
8/4/09 at 12:53pm
A legitimate birth certificate would probably do it.
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post #3 of 48
8/4/09 at 1:05pm
I don't like Obama. Didn't vote for him. Would NEVER vote for him and would go so far as to say that short of Hitler, I'd vote for ANYONE running against him. The proof of that is that I voted for John McCain. All that being said, I'm sick to death of the birth certificate argument. Even if someone could prove that he's not a citizen nothing would change at this point, at least not with his presidency. Though I'd have no objection to any candidate running for any office from now on being asked to provide their birth certificate.
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post #4 of 48
8/4/09 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by howtoholdacat View Post
I don't like Obama. Didn't vote for him. Would NEVER vote for him and would go so far as to say that short of Hitler, I'd vote for ANYONE running against him.
Funny... Same way I feel about Bush, but IMO he is as bad as Hitler... Just not as bad because Bush was not as smart. Urgh!
Anyway, back to Obama, it is so ridiculous! I mean, come on! And then there is the other issue - same people saying he didn't graduate from university.
Yeah, let's see..... not only he didn't graduate, but he is not even an American...
These people need to get a grip - how can they think that things like this can slip through so many layers of government in 2009?? It is not 1909 - it is 2009 for God's sake!
And don't these people think that if that was true, the republicans would have proved during the campaigns? Almost 2 years of campaigns and nobody was able to prove that he is not American, and doesn't have a degree?
Either the republican party is absurdly inefficient, or there is a whole bunch of people in complete denial who has nothing better to do with their lives than to say ridiculous things about Obama.
Both choices are pretty bad to me.
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post #5 of 48
8/4/09 at 2:07pm
I watched Stephen Colbert "interview" one of the main proponents of the "birther" group. At first I didn't think she was serious. I still can't believe that she was. I can't believe anyone would buy into this crap. He has a legit birth certificate! Next thing you know more people will spread that planes did not strike buildings during 911, Elvis and Jim Morrison are still alive and well, tin foil protects us from CIA intrusions in our brains, and gang members are preparing to shoot random mothers at Walmart!
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post #6 of 48
8/4/09 at 2:09pm
While these people think they are bringing up a point, the fact is that all they are doing is distracting from legitimate issues that deserve a closer look. If he couldn't legally prove he was US born, he wouldn't have been sworn in. Do they really think no one looks at this stuff before it all becomes legal???
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post #7 of 48
8/4/09 at 2:16pm
If nothing else, the birthers apparently feel that Bill & Hillary Clinton had no resources at their disposal to check out all of Mr. Obama's creds before and during the whole, l.o.n.g. primary season.

Truthfully, it is scary such people exist, and that they honestly believe they've got some sort of point - and it really does detract from the reasonable Republicans and others who do exist out there. I honestly feel sorry for the majority of the Republicans who are embarrassed by this.

Then again, there are still people who don't believe the moon landings took place - and I'm sure they'll go to their deathbeds that way. Probably think the planet is flat, as well.

My favorite is that the last time a serious movement was made to allow naturalized citizens to run for president, guess which party backed it? We love Arnold!!!
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post #8 of 48
8/4/09 at 3:35pm
I'm not an Obama supporter...but I always felt that the birth certificate argument was a little weak. Even assuming he wasn't born in Hawaii, his mother was an American citizen at the time, so the technicality they're fussing about is basically her age at the time he was born. Even if they're right, it's a tiny technicality that he had no control over. There are a lot better things to complain about.
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post #9 of 48
8/4/09 at 3:43pm
He also never released any of his college info. Hmmm, wonder why.
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post #10 of 48
8/4/09 at 3:43pm
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My favorite is that the last time a serious movement was made to allow naturalized citizens to run for president, guess which party backed it? We love Arnold!!!
Excellent point!!! If you were a cat, I'd be thinking that there's some "Meezer" in those bloodlines (witty & clever)
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post #11 of 48
8/4/09 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
"Meezer" in those bloodlines (witty & clever)
Lol! My domestic longhair is far smarter than my Meezer mix! Lol! The DLh turns doorknobs and opens doors with his feet. The Meezer mix just doesn't shut up!
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post #12 of 48
8/5/09 at 5:44am
I tend to think that much of it is the result of the Internet's provision to anonymously lash out, but it seems like the old adage of knowing how/when to "pick your battles", has been completely superseded by the desire to complain about nonsense.

The argumentive chain is always the same: I make an accusation, I throw the burden upon YOU to prove me wrong, you throw me a bone-of-legitimacy of some capacity, I say "not good enough!" and complain some more, and proceed to take refuge in a group hug with my fellow constipated "revolutionaries", and engage in some banter about being "true patriots", and standing for freedom, and justice, and traditional values, and...zzzzzzzz...
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post #13 of 48
8/5/09 at 5:46am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
A legitimate birth certificate would probably do it.
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post #14 of 48
8/5/09 at 5:51am
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Originally Posted by howtoholdacat View Post
I don't like Obama. Didn't vote for him. Would NEVER vote for him and would go so far as to say that short of Hitler, I'd vote for ANYONE running against him. The proof of that is that I voted for John McCain. All that being said, I'm sick to death of the birth certificate argument. Even if someone could prove that he's not a citizen nothing would change at this point, at least not with his presidency. Though I'd have no objection to any candidate running for any office from now on being asked to provide their birth certificate.
I agree with you. I also agree that the birth certificate should have simply been presented to begin with. Unfortunately it really is moot now. Time to pick our battles politically. I too voted for McCain and will continue to vote for my views, both locally and nationally.
There is NOTHING wrong with citizens demanding their country back. I don't remember Thomas Jefferson's exact words, but the gist is, the government should be serving US, not the other way around.
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post #15 of 48
8/5/09 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by Keycube View Post
I tend to think that much of it is the result of the Internet's provision to anonymously lash out, but it seems like the old adage of knowing how/when to "pick your battles", has been completely superseded by the desire to complain about nonsense.

The argumentive chain is always the same: I make an accusation, I throw the burden upon YOU to prove me wrong, you throw me a bone-of-legitimacy of some capacity, I say "not good enough!" and complain some more, and proceed to take refuge in a group hug with my fellow constipated "revolutionaries", and engage in some banter about being "true patriots", and standing for freedom, and justice, and traditional values, and...zzzzzzzz...

Yes, it reminds me of what has been done to Sarah Palin. Exactly the same, except Palin has had to contend with it X 1,000

Funny how the media and bloggers pick up on any phony rumor or allegation about Palin but totally fail to report the multiple ethic violations of Charlie Rangel.
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post #16 of 48
8/5/09 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
A legitimate birth certificate would probably do it.

Not sure what you mean by legitimate--the one Hawaii issued looks legit to me. Original??? I lost my original about 20 yeras ago, as have many people. I was issued a new one, still stating I was born in Brooklyn, NY, Kings County, 04/02/1956.

I don't think the birther movement would exist if the democratic president was white. These rednecks are still angry that the south lost the war.
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post #17 of 48
8/5/09 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz View Post
Not sure what you mean by legitimate--the one Hawaii issued looks legit to me.
The item being put out as a "birth certificate" is no such thing. However, I have reason to believe he has an original certificate, and is holding it back to make the right-wing loons look as looney as they are.

That said, the birthers are right in there with Code Pink, as far as unpleasantness and unreasonableness goes.

As to the other items, for some reason Democrats don't seem to like to release the same records they insist on getting from Republicans, such as college records and medical records. Remember, Bill Clinton NEVER released his medical records.

Now, as to the validity of the claims about Obama's eligibility, I think the argument falls flat for 3 reasons.

1. He's been elected as President, and I can't imagine the Senate or any court taking that away from him.

2. He was born to an American, so he is an American. The "natural born" clause has been argued about for a long time.

3. McCain was not born in the U.S., either. He was born in the Canal Zone, and all the Democratic candidates agreed not to make an issue of that.
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post #18 of 48
8/5/09 at 8:58am
I agree that this nonsense about the birth certificate is stupid, just as stupid as the media and everyone else calling Obama our first African American president, because that he is not. He is biracial.
I do LOVE the fact that people are gathering and voicing their concerns over this stupid health care bill that MUST be stopped. It is about time that people stop letting this stupid goverment walk all over them. I can not stand Obama, he is the death of this country.
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post #19 of 48
8/5/09 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
I agree that this nonsense about the birth certificate is stupid, just as stupid as the media and everyone else calling Obama our first African American president, because that he is not. He is biracial.
I do LOVE the fact that people are gathering and voicing their concerns over this stupid health care bill that MUST be stopped. It is about time that people stop letting this stupid goverment walk all over them. I can not stand Obama, he is the death of this country.

He is of course African-American, the same way people of part Irish decent call themselves, Irish-Americans. You really don't believe that all the folks that march in NYC's St. Patrick's Day Parade are 100% Irish-American do ya? Shush, don't tell anyone but some are part Italian!!!! Shush! LOL Now let's talk about Christopher Columbus Day and Italian-Americans!

Barack Obama IS African-American! Like it or not!
(from a person with Jewish heritage, with an Irish last name, with one half part Russian, Hungarian and Czech thrown in--just from one generation! OY GEVALT BABY!
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post #20 of 48
8/5/09 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz View Post
Not sure what you mean by legitimate--the one Hawaii issued looks legit to me. Original??? I lost my original about 20 yeras ago, as have many people. I was issued a new one, still stating I was born in Brooklyn, NY, Kings County, 04/02/1956.

I don't think the birther movement would exist if the democratic president was white. These rednecks are still angry that the south lost the war.
Ahhhh yes, the infamous race card. It always gets pulled out when people don't support Barack.

Newsflash, there are millions of people that did not vote for Barack that are not racists.
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post #21 of 48
8/5/09 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Ahhhh yes, the infamous race card. It always gets pulled out when people don't support Barack.

Newsflash, there are millions of people that did not vote for Barack that are not racists.
I wouldn't say that all people who did not vote for Barack are racists.

However I don't think it is pulling out the race card to note that the Birthers are predominately white. Quite frankly I can't seem to recall seeing any minorities in the movement. I'm just saying......
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post #22 of 48
8/5/09 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
I agree that this nonsense about the birth certificate is stupid, just as stupid as the media and everyone else calling Obama our first African American president, because that he is not. He is biracial.
I do LOVE the fact that people are gathering and voicing their concerns over this stupid health care bill that MUST be stopped. It is about time that people stop letting this stupid goverment walk all over them. I can not stand Obama, he is the death of this country.
You are RIGHT!!
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post #23 of 48
8/5/09 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by peachytoday View Post
I wouldn't say that all people who did not vote for Barack are racists.

However I don't think it is pulling out the race card to note that the Birthers are predominately white. Quite frankly I can't seem to recall seeing any minorities in the movement. I'm just saying......
Maybe because all those "minorities" voted for him...just sayin'....see, isn't that equally idiotic?
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post #24 of 48
8/5/09 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Allmycats View Post
Maybe because all those "minorities" voted for him...just sayin'....see, isn't that equally idiotic?
Newsflash, not all minorities voted for Barack Obama.

There is nothing more idiotic than the idea that there is validity to the birther's ideas.
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post #25 of 48
8/5/09 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by Allmycats View Post
Maybe because all those "minorities" voted for him...just sayin'....see, isn't that equally idiotic?
So we are pretty much an idiotic country then, considering that the only group where McCain prevailed was voters over 65 years old... The other groups, including whites, were mainly Obama voters.
IMO voting on Obama or not has nothing to do with racism - this elections went beyond race. I also believe that the Birth'ers are not necessarily racists, or doing this out of being white against a black president. These are IMO extremists, and would pull any card against a democrat president. There will always be opposition to a government, no matter what side it is, and likewise, there will always be extremists on both sides - this is just an example of it.
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post #26 of 48
8/5/09 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
So we are pretty much an idiotic country then, considering that the only group where McCain prevailed was voters over 65 years old... The other groups, including whites, were mainly Obama voters.
IMO voting on Obama or not has nothing to do with racism - this elections went beyond race. I also believe that the Birth'ers are not necessarily racists, or doing this out of being white against a black president. These are IMO extremists, and would pull any card against a democrat president. There will always be opposition to a government, no matter what side it is, and likewise, there will always be extremists on both sides - this is just an example of it.
Yes, exactly. We are on the same page about this.
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post #27 of 48
8/5/09 at 3:47pm
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So we are pretty much an idiotic country then, considering that the only group where McCain prevailed was voters over 65 years old... The other groups, including whites, were mainly Obama voters.
IMO voting on Obama or not has nothing to do with racism - this elections went beyond race. I also believe that the Birth'ers are not necessarily racists, or doing this out of being white against a black president. These are IMO extremists, and would pull any card against a democrat president. There will always be opposition to a government, no matter what side it is, and likewise, there will always be extremists on both sides - this is just an example of it.
Whoa, really?

I didn't realize that the 50 million votes that McCain got were mostly from people over 65 years old.

To tell you the truth, I didn't realize that we have 50 million people in this country over aged 65.
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post #28 of 48
8/5/09 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by peachytoday View Post
However I don't think it is pulling out the race card to note that the Birthers are predominately white. Quite frankly I can't seem to recall seeing any minorities in the movement. I'm just saying......
There ARE minorities in the group.

And just as a wake-up call, ANY main-stream group in the U.S. will be predominantly white. That's kind of what main-stream means, which is to say, representative of the majority of Americans.

I noticed that one of the main leaders of the Birthers, though, has an odd accent. And she's incapable of giving straight answers to questions.

Is this what we'd call the John Birth Society?
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post #29 of 48
8/5/09 at 5:45pm
Okay, I had to go check out the population by age demographics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...#Age_structure

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Age Structure
(2009 est.)

0-14 years: 20.2% (male 31,639,127/female 30,305,704)
15-64 years: 67% (male 102,665,043/female 103,129,321)
65 years and over: 12.8% (male 16,901,232/female 22,571,696)
39 million 65 and over, 12.8% of the poplulation. Looks like the 15-64 year olds got 'em beat by 166 million.
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post #30 of 48
8/5/09 at 5:50pm
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Whoa, really?

I didn't realize that the 50 million votes that McCain got were mostly from people over 65 years old.

To tell you the truth, I didn't realize that we have 50 million people in this country over aged 65.
I said prevailed - I am confused where did you read that I said that ALL his votes came ONLY from 65 and over?
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