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post #1 of 29
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OMG! This makes me so mad.

This little girl (yes, I see she's 27) needs a big slap upside the head to wake up and grow up. It is not the college's job to find her a job within months of graduation. Even people with a heck of a lot more knowledge and experience in her field (IT) can't find jobs in their career field - I know, my husband has been unemployed since April, and he has 15 years of experience on this brat.

She just graduated in April, and thinks the world owes her a job because she went to school. And since she hasn't gotten her $150,000/year dream job in less than 4 months, she thinks they should give her back the tuition she spent. I guess all that knowledge she has is just useless since she can't utilize it less than half a year later.

These type of people make me sick.
post #2 of 29
Ohh she does so deserve a slap upside the head!!!

There are many people out there without jobs due to this recession and they have a heck of a lot more experience than her!

If her name is now out in the public for suing the college just because she cannot find a job, then it may hurt her prospects in the future because any future employee may worry that she will try and sue them for not paying her enough or whatever.
post #3 of 29
Og my people really will sue over anything. Did the college guarantee her a job the moment that diploma was in her hand? No (at least I hope). Err go she does not have a leg to stand on to sue them.
post #4 of 29
I don't think this woman has a case, she's very stupid for suing and will waste the time for a lot of people... but I think that fewer people from now on will get college degrees due to the cost after this economic crisis. I know if I was a high school senior without parents who can pay for my college without having to take out a loan, I wouldn't be going. The thing is, there isn't any bad stigma attached to people who are in debt with student loans. If it's a student loan people think of it as a business loan to start up a new business ,people think they are making a good investment that will yield good revenues in the future so they don't worry about going into debt. It's sad because so many people don't wait to think twice about the "what if I can't get a job".
post #5 of 29
Ok I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one... and here is why.

When I decided to go back to school I did a lot of research on where to spend my hard earned money on an education. One of the places that I looked into was a very aggressive "business" college which basically told me that they would bend over backwards, move mountains, and pull the moon from the sky in order to get me a job after I graduated from their accelerated program. This by the way was guaranteed from what they told me and showed me all sorts of wonderful figures that proved that their students were able to find wonderful high paying jobs with their help and their program.

Now folks... step outside your fantasy world of smacking this girl and imagine that she fell for this type of "business" college who made the same promises. She plunked down 10's of thousands of dollars for a degree and now that this college has her money their guaranteed job promise is becoming more of a memory.

I'm sure everyone here has heard the the awesome and wondrous claims of computertraining.com. Really how can you go wrong... it's only 6 months training and you to can be guaranteed a job in the IT world. You only need to know how to roll your face on a keyboard and connect to the Internet.

Personally I saw through the fake claims that the "business" college was offering. No one could guarantee me a job in this market place. I chose to spend my dollars wisely and go to a community college where the faculty were trusted members of the community and had the real networking skills to help find their students jobs. Notice I didn't say guarantee.

So should she be suing, I don't know that for sure. I don't know what she was promised when the vultures from the "business" college were doing anything in their power to make a buck.

Maybe you folks should just for the fun of it contact your local fly by night "business" college and act like your going to enroll. You will be highly surprised and what they will do to get your money. But make sure you get your number changed after I still get calls now and them from them asking me if I had changed my mind about enrolling with their accredited program... 2 years... after I got my associate's degree.

Oh and for my hard opinion... if they promised her the moon to get her money and they can't even get her a photo of it I hope she wins. Someone needs to put these frauds in their place.
post #6 of 29
I still ain't buying that she should sue. Even if it might have went down like you said its been 4 months, not 1 year or 2 years etc. Where is she trying to find a job in IT at? There are way to many unknowns in this story.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mai_kitties View Post
Ok I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one... and here is why.

When I decided to go back to school I did a lot of research on where to spend my hard earned money on an education. One of the places that I looked into was a very aggressive "business" college which basically told me that they would bend over backwards, move mountains, and pull the moon from the sky in order to get me a job after I graduated from their accelerated program. This by the way was guaranteed from what they told me and showed me all sorts of wonderful figures that proved that their students were able to find wonderful high paying jobs with their help and their program.

Now folks... step outside your fantasy world of smacking this girl and imagine that she fell for this type of "business" college who made the same promises. She plunked down 10's of thousands of dollars for a degree and now that this college has her money their guaranteed job promise is becoming more of a memory.

I'm sure everyone here has heard the the awesome and wondrous claims of computertraining.com. Really how can you go wrong... it's only 6 months training and you to can be guaranteed a job in the IT world. You only need to know how to roll your face on a keyboard and connect to the Internet.

Personally I saw through the fake claims that the "business" college was offering. No one could guarantee me a job in this market place. I chose to spend my dollars wisely and go to a community college where the faculty were trusted members of the community and had the real networking skills to help find their students jobs. Notice I didn't say guarantee.

So should she be suing, I don't know that for sure. I don't know what she was promised when the vultures from the "business" college were doing anything in their power to make a buck.

Maybe you folks should just for the fun of it contact your local fly by night "business" college and act like your going to enroll. You will be highly surprised and what they will do to get your money. But make sure you get your number changed after I still get calls now and them from them asking me if I had changed my mind about enrolling with their accredited program... 2 years... after I got my associate's degree.

Oh and for my hard opinion... if they promised her the moon to get her money and they can't even get her a photo of it I hope she wins. Someone needs to put these frauds in their place.
I know what you're talking about. Especially since her degree is in IT and here I hear commercials every day on the radio about IT degrees from small unheard of private business colleges.
post #8 of 29
If I were judge I would have to ask her to prove how much work she has done on her own to find a job, prove that going to this college was a detriment to finding a job (an unacceptable degree), find out her GPA, prove that in her contracts with the college it outlined how the school would be assisting her in finding work, and prove that she was in constant nagging with the career office everyday and not just sitting around doing nothing.

I went to a well known school and they gave me a few leads after college but for the most part I went out on my own. While they say they offer career counseling it's such a hassle to get, and I have to pay $20/year to have access to the exclusive alumni job board.

I just hope she doesn't win. Especially since she got an education and didn't walk away with nothing.
post #9 of 29
All I see is that they promised to help her find a job, not get her a job. By helping they probably meant through helping her put together a worthy resume, and providing her some job leads and perhaps honing up her interview skills. After that it's up to her. She is the one being interviewed and it's up to her to be able to sell herself as the most worthy candidate out of the hundreds and thousands that are applying for each job these days. Apparently she hasn't been able to get beyond the interview process.

Do I see a reason for her to sue? Nope.

But does that mean she won't win the lawsuit? Nope. People in the USA are lawsuit happy and anything is fair game. Hate to say it, but she'll probably win her case.

There are lots of unemployed people out there right now. She should have looked towards a career in a field where jobs are always needed. Currently IT is not one of them.
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by ut0pia View Post
I don't think this woman has a case, she's very stupid for suing and will waste the time for a lot of people... but I think that fewer people from now on will get college degrees due to the cost after this economic crisis. I know if I was a high school senior without parents who can pay for my college without having to take out a loan, I wouldn't be going. The thing is, there isn't any bad stigma attached to people who are in debt with student loans. If it's a student loan people think of it as a business loan to start up a new business ,people think they are making a good investment that will yield good revenues in the future so they don't worry about going into debt. It's sad because so many people don't wait to think twice about the "what if I can't get a job".

You could always work your own way through college. Millions of people have done it. It takes longer but it is doable.
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mai_kitties View Post
Ok I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one... and here is why.

When I decided to go back to school I did a lot of research on where to spend my hard earned money on an education. One of the places that I looked into was a very aggressive "business" college which basically told me that they would bend over backwards, move mountains, and pull the moon from the sky in order to get me a job after I graduated from their accelerated program. This by the way was guaranteed from what they told me and showed me all sorts of wonderful figures that proved that their students were able to find wonderful high paying jobs with their help and their program.

Now folks... step outside your fantasy world of smacking this girl and imagine that she fell for this type of "business" college who made the same promises. She plunked down 10's of thousands of dollars for a degree and now that this college has her money their guaranteed job promise is becoming more of a memory.

I'm sure everyone here has heard the the awesome and wondrous claims of computertraining.com. Really how can you go wrong... it's only 6 months training and you to can be guaranteed a job in the IT world. You only need to know how to roll your face on a keyboard and connect to the Internet.

Personally I saw through the fake claims that the "business" college was offering. No one could guarantee me a job in this market place. I chose to spend my dollars wisely and go to a community college where the faculty were trusted members of the community and had the real networking skills to help find their students jobs. Notice I didn't say guarantee.

So should she be suing, I don't know that for sure. I don't know what she was promised when the vultures from the "business" college were doing anything in their power to make a buck.

Maybe you folks should just for the fun of it contact your local fly by night "business" college and act like your going to enroll. You will be highly surprised and what they will do to get your money. But make sure you get your number changed after I still get calls now and them from them asking me if I had changed my mind about enrolling with their accredited program... 2 years... after I got my associate's degree.

Oh and for my hard opinion... if they promised her the moon to get her money and they can't even get her a photo of it I hope she wins. Someone needs to put these frauds in their place.

I get where you are coming from because I do hear this sort of thing a lot. Some not only promise jobs, but mention some huge dollar amount you will get for a salary. I know they sucker a lot of people in like that.

But it doesn't look like this is the problem here.

http://www.monroecollege.edu/careerservices/

Here is the colleges career services page. And if you look around the web site even more you don't see any of those promises. You see offers of help and resources and stuff like that you will see at most colleges. But no guarantee of a job.
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by Telynn View Post
I get where you are coming from because I do hear this sort of thing a lot. Some not only promise jobs, but mention some huge dollar amount you will get for a salary. I know they sucker a lot of people in like that.

But it doesn't look like this is the problem here.

http://www.monroecollege.edu/careerservices/

Here is the colleges career services page. And if you look around the web site even more you don't see any of those promises. You see offers of help and resources and stuff like that you will see at most colleges. But no guarantee of a job.
I was just about to post this same link. The college doesn't advertise that it promises to find you a job. This woman needs a harsh dose of reality. IT has been outsourcing jobs for many, many years and there aren't a lot of good IT jobs out there anymore.
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Ping View Post
Og my people really will sue over anything. Did the college guarantee her a job the moment that diploma was in her hand? No (at least I hope). Err go she does not have a leg to stand on to sue them.

However, the college did guarantee help with job placement by providing viable leads--according to the young woman they did not. If that is true than the college broke the contract.

I hear ads all the time, especially the radio for colleges, mostly community/voc colleges about promising job placement, help with finding a job, etc., certainly these are ways to lure someone in into a highly competitive field. But if you don't live up to your promises...
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mai_kitties View Post
Now folks... step outside your fantasy world of smacking this girl and imagine that she fell for this type of "business" college who made the same promises.
Hedging your bets on going to a school with a documented history of job placement success is one thing, but being so naive as to believe that anyone can guarantee you a job upon graduation, in ANY economic climate, is truly beyond the pale. Even a grade school student with an eye on current events should realize that.
post #15 of 29
I think it's quite ridiculous to be suing for that reason. By her reasoning I should have sued the school I have my bachelor's degree from because I never got a job with it. She should be considering the fact that the economy isn't great and no one is hiring.

I have returned to school for computer programming. However, before enrolling I checked on placement rates for graduates and picked a program that had high placement rates. I'm just hoping the economy picks up before graduation.
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz View Post
However, the college did guarantee help with job placement by providing viable leads--according to the young woman they did not. If that is true than the college broke the contract.

I hear ads all the time, especially the radio for colleges, mostly community/voc colleges about promising job placement, help with finding a job, etc., certainly these are ways to lure someone in into a highly competitive field. But if you don't live up to your promises...
But what is her definition of "viable leads" and what is the school's definition? Is her definition "shoe-in job" where she sends in a resume saying she graduated and she gets an automatic job offer? Is there definition jobs that are offered exclusively to their graduates (I know we have worked with Engineering and Drafting schools to fill some positions in our company, though not exclusively), offered to graduates with certain course work, or are they just sending on leads from the local Classifieds? Is her idea of "viable leads" just jobs in her immediate vicinity and for upper level jobs, not entry level?
post #17 of 29
I worked, very VERY briefly, for one of those 'we promise to find you a job' schools (that went out of business 6 months later due to tax evasion, go figure). I worked in the Career Placement Office. Guess what I did for a week? Look through want ads for our 'graduates' .... and besides the secretary (who was a recent graduate of the school), I think I was the smartest one there. There wasn't much, and that was while the economy was still decent.

I got sick to my stomach about going back and fell ill the second week. When I went back that Friday, I decided to tender my resignation. I told the President of the school (who called me into his office to ask about why I was quitting) about the bad vibe I was getting about our office and what we were doing. He 'got it' and let me go without any reprimands... I don't even put that job on my resume, it was worthless.

Do I think this girl should sue? No, she's too stupid. Anyone with any number of working brain cells would know you have to do the work yourself to get anywhere. Jobs do not fall in your lap. Not even in a really good economy. She needs a wake up call. Sadly, she probably won't get it.

Amanda
post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by Keycube View Post
Hedging your bets on going to a school with a documented history of job placement success is one thing, but being so naive as to believe that anyone can guarantee you a job upon graduation, in ANY economic climate, is truly beyond the pale. Even a grade school student with an eye on current events should realize that.

Believing something is one thing, but if job help/placement was mentioned, you've got a CONTRACT! One they (the college) should live up to.
post #19 of 29
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This article has a little more information: http://www.nypost.com/seven/08022009...ned_182607.htm

The most telling, to me, is this quote:

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"They have not tried hard enough to help me," the frustrated Bronx resident wrote about the school in her lawsuit.
So they have done something for her, just not enough for her liking. Cry me a river.

At least according to the article, the Career Placement Office offers resources, not guarantees. Resources, to me, says you have to use the resources - it won't just be handed to you on a silver platter.

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The college's Office of Career Advancement advertises lifetime free service for graduates, and boasts on the school's Web site: "We have many resources available for students at any stage of their college career, and even after graduation."
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
This article has a little more information: http://www.nypost.com/seven/08022009...ned_182607.htm

The most telling, to me, is this quote:



So they have done something for her, just not enough for her liking. Cry me a river.

At least according to the article, the Career Placement Office offers resources, not guarantees. Resources, to me, says you have to use the resources - it won't just be handed to you on a silver platter.


LOL, I would not put ANY stock in the NY Post, a real rag and a front page, If it bleeds it leads newspaper!

"Naked Blond Hacked to Death on Penthouse Rooftop!"---PAGE ONE! (with photos!)

"North Korea Promises to End Nuclear Testing!"---PAGE 32!
(one inch square article)

Until the late 1970s the Post was a good and reliable working man's paper, today a piece of trash!
post #21 of 29
"They haven't tried hard enough to help me." Have you done anything to help yourself in the process? Having a degree is no guarantee of anything. There are people with masters degrees and phds that have experience in their fields that can't get a job in their respective fields because of the economy.
post #22 of 29
It just struck me that I wonder if this person is looking to do the talk-show circuit, spew her sob story (which had better be a damn good one, to get any sympathy for a college graduate that hasn't found work in a whopping four months ), and hope for some employer to come out of the woodwork, looking to get themselves some PR by offering her a job. One of those 'Oprah moments' where someone gets a whopper of a gift, but there's always that awkward moment where the gift-giver gives his corporate schpeel, trumpeting his company and how honored they are, and all that jazz. Everybody wins. Victory for humanity.

Probably a bit of a reach, considering she's probably not exactly endearing herself to greater America, but nothing would surprise me.
post #23 of 29
It's like the college my kids go to. They have lots of 'resources'. One example is a free math tutoring resource. If you go and get tutoring, no one is guaranteeing you will pass math. Just that there is a some help if you need it. Same thing with most Career Services resources in college. There is some help with resumes and prepping you for interviews, they might sponser a job fair and get some HR people from different companies to come out to it, but no decent college promises jobs.
post #24 of 29
Sob, sob. My husband had 30 years experience in international business with an MBA and CGBP certification. He was an adjunct instructor in our local university, but just became a victim of budget cuts, so his classes will not be renewed.

He has been repeatedly passed over for jobs for which he is qualified. Those hired are younger, female and non-white. He has the misfortune of being over 60, white and male. I frankly don't give a kitty poop about her failed job search. Stand in line like everyone else.
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz View Post
However, the college did guarantee help with job placement by providing viable leads--according to the young woman they did not. If that is true than the college broke the contract.

I hear ads all the time, especially the radio for colleges, mostly community/voc colleges about promising job placement, help with finding a job, etc., certainly these are ways to lure someone in into a highly competitive field. But if you don't live up to your promises...
I agree with your position. According to their own website, they provide for students and graduates,individual career counseling services,[emphasis added] conduct workshops on resume writing, interviewing, networking, career planning, etc., locate full and part - time employment opportunites, coordinate an internship (co-operative education) program, [emphasis added]provide career assessment, and host a number of on campus recruitment events and job fairs throughout the year. . . .
According to the article, she is suing because they did not provide those services adequately - she is not suing because she didn't get that "dream job" but because the college didn't, in her opinion, fulfill those promises.
But it's an easy bet that the college's legal eagles will sensationalize the lawsuit and bring that bias to a jury.....I'd be willing to bet that the defendants want a jury trial, not a court trial
post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
I agree with your position. According to their own website, they provide for students and graduates,individual career counseling services,[emphasis added] conduct workshops on resume writing, interviewing, networking, career planning, etc., locate full and part - time employment opportunites, coordinate an internship (co-operative education) program, [emphasis added]provide career assessment, and host a number of on campus recruitment events and job fairs throughout the year. . . .
According to the article, she is suing because they did not provide those services adequately - she is not suing because she didn't get that "dream job" but because the college didn't, in her opinion, fulfill those promises.
But it's an easy bet that the college's legal eagles will sensationalize the lawsuit and bring that bias to a jury.....I'd be willing to bet that the defendants want a jury trial, not a court trial
But there is no mention in either articles posted that she actually made an appointment with the career counseling. They aren't going to call her a few weeks or a few months after graduation to make sure she is "ok". That is HER responsibility, not the colleges. It is offered to her, but it's up to her to utilize it. If she DID call and set up and appointment and go to work on her resume, get her contact, etc, and they gave her wrong info, then she has a case. If she didn't, then it's her fault.
post #27 of 29
Monroe College here in NYC advertises on the NYC Subway system, in the actual subway cars. Thet buy full length ads, meaning multiple ads (each one different) that run the entire length of the subway car (one side), let's say 60feet as a low ball estimate. This is done in HUNDREDS of cars and of course is seen by millions of people daily.

If Monroe College can spend millions in advertising they can spend a bit more on The Career Counseling Dept. "The college" has a more of a step down community college reputation anyway.
post #28 of 29
I find this totaly laughable. I am sorry i did not read all the posts but, I have a degree in Fine Art. That is like having a degree in Hannah Montana or being an actor. I have not sued any one because I am a ..... well you decide. Cry baby give it to me person?

Well as life goes on, I got into medical technology, 4 more years. No one gave that to me? I did it. And I am much better off.
post #29 of 29
you know who's more stupid? any filthy leech lawyer who would foolishly take on her case
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