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post #1 of 15
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090802/..._pe/us_economy

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Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Larry Summers both sidestepped questions on Obama's intentions about taxes. Geithner said the White House was not ready to rule out a tax hike to lower the federal deficit; Summers said Obama's proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere.
My main question is, does Barack Obama ever tell the truth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJVMW...51BFDB&index=1

One of Barack's many, many, many video's promising, pledging not to cut taxes and pledging to cut wasteful spending.
post #2 of 15
Why should he have to tell the truth. He's only the president. [/sarcasm]

Thank goodness a lot of people are waking up, but I fear it is too late.

Looking for an island to buy and start a new life on, anyone interested in joining me? You'll have to work for your living, but you wont get taxed!
post #3 of 15
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Summers said Obama's proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere.
That is so true. If you want socialized health care where anyone can access health care regardless of their income or ability to pay, the money does have to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is through higher taxes. That's how we in Canada pay for our health care. Some of our lottery proceeds as well as taxes go to subsidizing our universal health care.

So far as Obama promising to not raise taxes while he was campaigning, he probably meant it at the time. However it's easy to make promises when you aren't actually in a situation to have to make good on them. It's another to actually try and fulfill that promise once you realize what's involved
post #4 of 15
For starters, how about not spending like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave?
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by DragulescuGirl View Post
Looking for an island to buy and start a new life on, anyone interested in joining me? You'll have to work for your living, but you wont get taxed!

Sounds good to me.
post #6 of 15
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So, we should excuse Barack Obama for lying through his teeth? I don't think so.

He touted his health care refore while campaigning, how did he think he would pay for it? Cap and Trade, how did he think that would get paid for?
Higher taxes for health care and higher utility bills for Cap & Trade.

I'm sorry, we are in a very serious recession with unemployment over 10%, people losing their homes, no relief in sight and Barack wants to tax us more?

When has this country ever dug its' way out of a recession by raising taxes?

The only upside, Barack will be a one-term POTUS, but it is not worth it.

What is he trying to do to this country, what is he thinking, why does he not take lessons from what has happened in the past?

Remember George Bush I, "Read my lips, no new taxes"? Barack would do well to remember that.
post #7 of 15
Of course he won't - he's lied from day one in the campaign, but no one would really listen to what he was saying. Now we all are paying the price. IMO he will be bringing the country down before the people realize what is going on with his "hidden agendas".

Too bad so many were blinded to the truth.
post #8 of 15
To some extent, I think this was just a couple of his guys running their mouths when they shouldn't have, without Obama's knowledge. Now, they MAY have been saying something that has been discussed in their private meetings or something, but if it was, they were speaking out of turn.

However, most of us remember Bill Clinton's solemn promise of a middle-class tax cut, and his sad admission that it wasn't going to happen.

And George Bush largely lost the 1992 election for raising taxes when he said he wouldn't. ("Read my lips. NO ... NEW ... TAXES."
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
So, we should excuse Barack Obama for lying through his teeth? I don't think so.
So, he hasn't actually said he's going to raise taxes (on families making < $250,000, which is what he actually said), but because he hasn't actually come out and denied it (and wasn't even he that was saying it), you've decided that he's lying through his teeth? So, was John McCain lying through his teeth, too?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...oes_again.html

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According to the Tax Policy Center, without spending cuts elsewhere, Obama's proposals could increase the projected debt to $5.9 trillion over 10 years. The McCain-Palin campaign is certainly entitled to argue that that level of debt is unsustainable and that Obama would therefore have to raise taxes.

That, however, is a dangerous argument. The same Tax Policy Center analysis shows that McCain's proposals could raise the debt to $7.4 trillion over 10 years. And while McCain has promised to balance the budget by 2013, the Tax Policy Center notes that doing so would require a 25 percent reduction in federal spending. Few economists outside the McCain-Palin campaign think that is a feasible goal.

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
He touted his health care refore while campaigning, how did he think he would pay for it? Cap and Trade, how did he think that would get paid for?
Higher taxes for health care and higher utility bills for Cap & Trade.
Interestingly, I found this in the same article quoted above:

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One could argue that Obama's proposed cap-and-trade program constitutes an indirect tax on electricity. But McCain proposes cap-and-trade, too, and we haven't heard McCain say that he wants to tax your electric bill.
Learn something new every day.

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I'm sorry, we are in a very serious recession with unemployment over 10%, people losing their homes, no relief in sight and Barack wants to tax us more?
Tell the people who are getting unemployment benefits only because the stimulus bill is paying them, or to their landlords, banks, grocery stores, etc who are getting paid rather than having to support these people living out on the streets. Or tell it to employees who didn't lose their job because of the stimulus money. We have about 20 at my University who were going to be laid off, but were spared. As for taxes, as I've pointed out before, unless you're making > 200K per year, your federal taxes have gone down this year.

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
The only upside, Barack will be a one-term POTUS, but it is not worth it.
We'll see. 3-1/2 years is a long time, especially in politics. Lots of people thought George Bush would be a one-term President. His father also looked like his 2nd term was almost an automatic thing. At this point, I'll give anybody's conjecture about the 2012 election (or even 2010) elections about as much credence as flipping a coin.
post #10 of 15
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One could argue that Obama's proposed cap-and-trade program constitutes an indirect tax on electricity. But McCain proposes cap-and-trade, too, and we haven't heard McCain say that he wants to tax your electric bill.
But McCain wasn't elected, and if he had been elected, I wouldn't be agreeing with all his policies either.

But Obama is going to try to tax our way out of this recession, and it hasn't worked in the past, and it won't work now.

I saw this posted elsewhere today, and I agree with nearly every word.


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Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America 's true living legends- an acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as "partnering." Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made corporate history.

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA


Dear President Obama:


You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.


You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.


You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support. You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.


You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.


You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.


You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America crowd' and deliver this message abroad.


You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.


You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.


You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.


You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.


You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.


You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.


You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.


Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett


TRUE - CHECK: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp


This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it. Big surprise. Since it hit the internet, however, it has had over 500,000 hits.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
My main question is, does Barack Obama ever tell the truth?
I would really love to see a list of politicians who have never lied, never stretched the truth, never broken a campaign promise for any reason. Can anyone provide such a list? Even one politician?
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
I would really love to see a list of politicians who have never lied, never stretched the truth, never broken a campaign promise for any reason. Can anyone provide such a list? Even one politician?
Well then, that makes it all okay for Barack to lie whenever he wants to and, by all means, he should not be held accountable for anything.

So, I guess it doesn't really matter who we elect as POTUS.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Well then, that makes it all okay for Barack to lie whenever he wants to and, by all means, he should not be held accountable for anything.

So, I guess it doesn't really matter who we elect as POTUS.
Now, did I say that? Or are you just twisting my words? It's not okay for any of them, Obama included. They should all be held accountable, not just the ones you don't like. And I honestly do believe that most if not all politicians will say and promise whatever it takes to get them elected. How else do you explain them shifting from one position to another at the drop of a hat?
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
That is so true. If you want socialized health care where anyone can access health care regardless of their income or ability to pay, the money does have to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is through higher taxes. That's how we in Canada pay for our health care. Some of our lottery proceeds as well as taxes go to subsidizing our universal health care.

So far as Obama promising to not raise taxes while he was campaigning, he probably meant it at the time. However it's easy to make promises when you aren't actually in a situation to have to make good on them. It's another to actually try and fulfill that promise once you realize what's involved
Actually, we're already paying for people can't pay because they're going to emergency rooms when they have a problem, or they're on Medicaid. It's also costing more because people who don't have health insurance often wait until a situation is critical before seeking help, instead of getting preventive care along the way.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
But McCain wasn't elected, and if he had been elected, I wouldn't be agreeing with all his policies either.
But Cindy accused President Obama of "lying through his teeth" for breaking a campaign promise that he hasn't actually broken yet. He promised not to raise taxes on people making < $250,000/yr and so far, he hasn't. So at least on the not raising taxes score, McCain and Obama have both kept their promise so far. My point though, was that both candidates were promising new spending programs and no new taxes. Senator McCain was also promising a balanced budget. Almost nobody believed that was possible even before the recession. So was John McCain "lying through his teeth" too or was he just making a campaign promise that he couldn't keep?

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Originally Posted by Dusty's Mom View Post
I saw this posted elsewhere today, and I agree with nearly every word.
What a sad, sad letter. Apparently people who experience cultures outside the US, don't run companies, or never served in the military aren't 'real Americans' who are fit to be President. Then he goes on to make a lot of baseless assertions that are nothing more than his opinion and caps it off with a little fearmongering. Guess he wants us to believe that in 8 years the Obama stormtroopers will be kicking in the door of anyone that disagrees with the administration. Classy. Is there any evidence of this? AFAIK, even the guy standing around outside the town hall rally with a gun on his hip wasn't arrested. The message I got from that was that expressing your 1st (and 2nd) Amendment Rights is fine as long as you don't break the law.

I do have to wonder, did Lou Pritchett contact the administration and offer his services to show them how it's done after President Obama was elected, or is he just more interested in pointing out perceived flaws? Tearing things down is a lot easier than building them up.
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