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post #1 of 20
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First off I would like to say that this is by far the best cat forum I have ever come across. Much props to the owner and moderators who make this such a friendly place!!

My question is.. on a few other boards I notice that every time someone posts about their pregnant cat or wanting their cat to get pregnant, they are immediatly flamed beyond belief. "Why are you letting your cats have babies?? Why isnt she spayed?? Why dont you rescue some poor kittens from a shelter that need a home instead of bringing MORE kittens into this world!?" I mean, people literally get their arms chewed off if they even mention that they have a pregnant cat. Now, I am pro spay/neuter by far, and do tend to agree with the above statements, but I try not to judge people so quickly and give them the benefit of the doubt. I am just wondering why people here dont address others that have pregnant cats (if they are not breeding them for a specific reason.. i.e. if they are specifically breed cats).. it seems that its almost welcomed here and everyone gets excited about a pregnant cat.

Declawing is another one. I am very anti declawing. Its cruel and inhumane and causes a great deal of pain for the cats not only at the time of the operation but years to come as it effects how they balance and how they defend themselves, etc. But again, if someone even mentions that their cat is declawed or they are considering getting them declawed, they are bombarded instantly with cruel comments and remarks and even name calling.

So, I guess I'm just wondering, does this board promote spaying and neutering, are you against declawing? How far do you take it to comment on others situations?

In some cases I think wow.. what a relief it is to post on a board that is soooo unbelievably friendly, relaxing and caring towards others, no matter what their situation. But on the other hand I'm like, wow.. this person is bragging about their pregnant cat but no one is asking them why they arent spayed or why they are making more kittens when there are SO many that need homes.

I'm honestly curious so if anyone has any insight I'd love to hear it.
post #2 of 20
First of all, thank you for you nice comments on the site. It truly is a team effort to keep this place up and running smoothly.

This site is very anti-declaw and pro spay/neuter. Everyone here tries to voice their opinions in an adult way and flaming people is not allowed here what so ever. We have had our problems in the past, but we all have learned how to say what we want with out using flames.

This site (to my knowledge) has never PUSHED our opinions down peoples throats. Most of us try to encourage people to neuter their animals and try to give alternatives to people who are thinking about declawing.

Plus, this is a learning place for people. If we get upset with people, what are they going to learn? They are going to learn that this place thinks that we're against them, instead of trying to help them.

Here is a condensed version of the rules and you can see that Anne (the owner) promotes neutering and antideclawing.

Please make sure to spay or neuter your cat. Unless you are a professional breeder and your cat is part of a professional breeding program, please spay/neuter your cats before they reach sexual maturity (at the age of 4-6 months). By spaying and neutering you enhance your cat's quality of life and improve his or her health. You are also proving your love for cats because in acting as a responsible pet owner you are minimizing the problem of cat overpopulation. Please read this article and don't hesitate to ask for more information in the forums.

The majority of our forum members are anti-declaw. Please do not declaw your cat. Declawing is a cruel and unnecessary procedure that is outlawed in most Western countries. It causes the cat tremendous pain and often leads to major behavioral problems. Please note that the majority of cat owners find declawing to be very offensive. We encourage open discussion on all issues, but if you support declawing on the forums, expect some harsh criticism. Please learn more about alternatives for declawing here. We hope your time with us will change your views on this very sensitive issue. Hopefully, those of you with claw-related problems will find solutions by spending time in our Behavior Forum.

The purpose of these forums is to educate, but as you can see, we do have fun here also. We do not limit the conversations only to cats, although for most of us cats are our lives. We want you to enjoy your time with us, and tell your friends about us. We will not allow spamming, trolling, flaming or otherwise troublesome posts to occur. We are proud of what we have achieved and we welcome you as a member. Don't be shy about posting; there is a lot to learn here!

If you have any questions or comments please don't hesitate to email the site owner, Anne Moss at anne@thecatsite.com

post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
See that is reasonable. One of the sites I joined said in their rules "this is not a 'fun' board or public meeting place, but it is an animal proactive educational community'". I was almost at my wits end until I found this site.

I was just curious because I have never seen anyone ask the poster if their cat has been spayed or why they are letting it have babies. Granted I havent been here that long.. but I read a lot. It seemed as if there was no medium out there, if that makes any sense.. either I see a board that pushes their views on everyone, or a board that is so relaxed that they dont even ask, instead commend and congratulate a person for letting their cats have kittens.

I am a relaxed, humorous person and I enjoy having fun. HELL, cats are FUN!! I just cant understand how one or two groups of people could be soooooooo against things and harsh towards people, and another group of people the exact opposite. When we are all cat lovers and own cats.

But now that I have read part of the rules that you posted, this sounds like the purrfect place.
post #4 of 20
We try to look at each individual case. Trust me, there have been times when we have, um, expressed our pro-spay/neuter a bit more forcefully than others. But when the first post from someone is "Help, this pregnant stray cat came into my life and I don't know what to do" this person wants help, not to be yelled at. It is kitten season, and honestly most of the people that I've seen posting about pregnant cats recently are either strays they took in (most of the cases, I think) or with the clause "I didn't mean for this to happen/I didn't even know she was in heat/OMG she escaped, I will be getting her spayed ASAP". Most of the time, in one post or another, the person has already expressed their plan to get their cat spayed/neutered.

As for declawing....oh, there has been some lively discussions on that! Just do a search and look at any of the long threads on the subject. LOL But once again, we try to educate and do not allow flames of any kind here. If someone comes in asking about declawing we try to approach it as a learning experience, especially knowing that the majority of cat owners would not get it done if they actually knew what it involved.

The primary focus of the site, for all the fun we do have, is education about cats. How many times have you seen the people who are yelled and cursed at change their mind? Education doesn't include name calling. Of course, we do get a little excited about kittens - most of us don't get to experience them so live vicariously through the breeders and rescuers on the site and expereince the joys of kittens through them.
post #5 of 20
I try to let people know that pregnant moms should be spayed once the kittens have been weaned. Also suggested is pregnant moms to stay indoors because of the problem of multiple mating that can occur and endanger the kittens and the mom.

I am very anti-declaw and many times a declaw thread has to be removed because of emotions that go off the map.

But also I have learned that gentle instructions go a lot farther than harsh criticisms and you better do what I say type of attitude.

As I do feral rescue, it would be ideal if everyone who owned a cat practiced responsible ownership and spayed and neutered all their pets, in a perfect world, yes- but this is not a perfect world. So I just do my best in it to do what I can.
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 
Well some sites need to take some lessons from you guys!

I do agree that yelling at someone isnt the best way to make them listen to you. I'm glad you are gentle educators instead of ram-down-your-throat-opinionated-***holes.

*off to look for declawing threads
post #7 of 20
Very well said Shell, Heidi and Mary Anne!
I have learned so much from all of you since I have joined this site.
Thank you for your insight and advice!

post #8 of 20

I have learned what I just shared the hard way. I used to get all excited about those subjects and it never turned out well. You know that saying- "Live and Learn?" That is me- always learning.
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 
Wow.. I saw some pictures I did not exactly want to see

I am amazed at how amicable and mature the discussions were that I read (except for a few posters here and there of course). I cannot applaud this site enough for the way you handle discussions such as those.

I apologize if I opened anything up that shouldnt have been.. I probably should have searched for the answers to my questions before posting.
post #10 of 20
Sicy, you are most welcome to ask any questions you'd like to. We're open about it. I'm glad you asked instead of thinking we are just a have-as-many-kittens-as-you-want type place. Sure we all love kittens, but there are too many of them in the world.

Yeah, those declawing links are pretty graphic, but you know if it saves just a few cats their paws, then it's worth it.
post #11 of 20
I agree with all before, Sicycat. We try to keep the discussion on an educational level, but some people are very passionate in their views and get caught up. I find it is often a member who has not been here for a long time, and has maybe been able to post in that manner on another board. I know that many times the moderators get called out on decisions based upon the argument of "free speech". The bottom line is that you don't sway any opinions with screaming and yelling.
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
Originally posted by Deb25
I know that many times the moderators get called out on decisions based upon the argument of "free speech".
Oh trust me I know : I'm an admin of a message board myself and its the most frustrating thing when all you are trying to do is do your job and keep the peace and you get accused of censorship and everything else. People dont understand that these boards are privately owned and operated, people put in thier FREE time to help run the boards and they get dumped on in return. It's usually only a select few, like you said, people that havent been here for awhile.

Thanks all (all mods replied.. lol) for your insight!
post #13 of 20
lol I love your insight as well Sicy- tell me do you have a first name I could use?
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Well my real name is Christine, but I love the name Sicy. I'm known as Sicy on all the message boards I post/mod at and when I've met up with online friends they even call me Sicy in real life
post #15 of 20
Hi, Sicy! You are perfectly correct about some other forums. What I like about this one is that although people can naturally get a bit testy at times (particularly on the "IMO forum"), nobody ridicules other participants. People honestly try to help those with problems, and you won't find "know-it-alls" who are only interested in some kind of pecking order. I hope you continue to enjoy your time here.
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you I know I will.
post #17 of 20

I am very anti-declaw and pro spay/neuter but I would not flame someone who is thinking different. But there is nothing against telling the truth and help people to open their eyes. I think it is normal, that some threads are more emotionally colored than others. T
post #18 of 20
Sicy - Hi! I just wanted to add my two cents, albeit a little late to join the discussion.

I think one other reason (re: spay/neuter) that hasn't been mentioned is that over time you get to know the members of the board - and often we know up front that someone rescued a stray or feral and it was already pregnant... or, in one instance, someone rescued a stray, she escaped before the person had the ability to get her spayed, and she came back pregnant. We do try to remind people in a polite fashion somewhere in the thread - for the benefit of newer members - that TCS IS pro spay/neuter - but when already familiar with the background, it's easy just to "ooo" and "awww" over those incredibly cute kittens.... and for the most part, those members who do rescue a stray or feral and don't get them spayed and neutered right away... well - they learn the hard way about the importance of spay/neuter. We do have to remember - not everyone has access to low-cost or free spay/neuter services, and not everyone can afford it when it SHOULD be done.

But there are resources here to help, and those kittens almost always end up getting adopted out, if not kept by the member.
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your input It seemed like right after I posted this thread I did see people offering their 2 cents about these situations.. so maybe I spoke too soon.

Again, I absolutely love it here.. this place is filled with such caring and wonderful souls.
post #20 of 20
I think you came into the board at a time when there were a lot of cat pregnancy questions. It was unusual, even for this board. What you will find is that everyone, mods and just "regular" posters, do a lot of crisis management first, then follow up with education. So if a person posts "help, my cat is having kittens, I don't know what to do", obviously they need specific information. Everyone realizes that saying, how dare you have a pregnant cat! would be of no use. But I think every case, the practical advice is followed with at least a question to find out if the person is aware of the importance of spaying/neutering. That's what makes this place special. In addition to being full of crazy cat people.
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