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well this freeze dried food looks like a good treat food
has anyone tried it?
what do you think of the ingredients?


Archetype
Ingredients:
Beef and Chicken; Beef and Chicken Liver; Ground Bone, Milk Calcium, Fish Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Coral Calcium, Organic Mung Bean Sprouts, Organic Quinoa Sprouts, Organic Millet Sprouts, Organic Blueberries, Organic Apples, Plums, Chlorella, Barley Grass, Wheat Grass, Dried Whey, Kelp, Dried Seaweed, Artichoke, Direct Fed Microbials (Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus lactis Fermentation Product, Dried Saccharomyces cerevisiae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product), Natural Extractives of Rosemary, Natural Extractives of Sage, Choline Chloride, Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement

Originally Posted by automaton2

well this freeze dried food looks like a good treat food
has anyone tried it?
what do you think of the ingredients?


Archetype
Ingredients:
Beef and Chicken; Beef and Chicken Liver; Ground Bone, Milk Calcium WHY not name the bone , why have extra bone so high up as the beef and chicken have some ... Milk that high up is a bit?? able and it is a KNOWN ALLGEREN, Fish Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Coral Calcium MORE calcium in a formula with bone>>??, Organic Mung Bean Sprouts, Organic Quinoa Sprouts, Organic Millet Sprouts grass and sprouts are great sources of nutrients without carbs , Organic Blueberries, Organic Apples, Plums, Chlorella, Barley Grass, Wheat Grass, Dried Whey, Kelp, Dried Seaweed, Artichoke, Direct Fed Microbials (Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus lactis Fermentation Product, Dried Saccharomyces cerevisiae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product), Natural Extractives of Rosemary, Natural Extractives of Sage, Choline Chloride, Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement

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Being a freeze dry raw type diet I am 1000% okay with organs and bones

Hi
Thanks for reply I am not crazy about the milk product myself
I will go to wysong search engine to see why the milk product

while I am searching for other foods

I am having an eating problem with Cupido this morning I am hoping he has eaten his breakfast when I get home

otherwise if he doesnt eat his supper I will call his vet
wish me luck

wysong reply on archetype

Thank you for your letter. The bone is from chicken and beef. The multiple sources of calcium provides a broader spectrum of nutrients. There is no excess calcium, as can be seen by the analysis (attached).



Nothing is in the products by accident. Everything is designed with health as the objective. Wysong foods have been fed for thirty years to tens of thousands of animals through multiple generations. Quite simply, the products work! They, and the method of feeding Dr. Wysong advocates, create dramatic health results
I didnt get the in depth I was hoping for

heres a review of archetype from a dog forum

Quote: Beef and Chicken; Beef and Chicken Liver; Ground Bone, Flax Seed, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Oat Groats, Ground Wheat, Ground Corn, Cane Molasses, Tomatoes, Sun-Cured Alfalfa, Apple, Blueberry, Sweet Potato, Celery, Beets, Parsley, Lettuce, Watercress, Spinach, Carrots, Green Beans, Potato, Chlorella, Barley Grass Powder, Wheat Grass Powder, Organic Mung Bean Sprouts, Organic Quinoa Sprouts, Organic Millet Sprouts, Artichoke, Dried Seaweed, Milk Calcium, Coral Calcium, Dicalcium Phosphate, Fish Oil, Coconut Oil, Yeast Culture, Sesame Seeds, Taurine, DL-Methionine, Sea Salt, Garlic, Black Pepper, Artichoke, Dried Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus plantarum Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus lactis Fermentation Product, Dried Saccharomyces cerevisiae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product, Natural Extractives of Sage and Rosemary, Choline Chloride, Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement.



The first ingredient, once you remove the water from the first 4 on the list is probably ground bone. Whose bone? Studies on foods that have unnamed animal sources in the ingredient lists have found the drugs used to euthanize dogs and cats in them. And that's #1!!!

#2- Flaxseed. Really. Flax is good, but I'd be surprised if in huge quantities like this, it wouldn't cause serious itching.

#3 and on are grains, grains and more grains.

Next is molasses. I'm no molasses expert, but isn't that mostly sugar?!

And then there are a bunch of wet veggies, meaning after dehydration, there's probably next to none in the food.

Beets... Well, they use the whole beet. They pretend it's in there for nutritional value (remember?) but most likely it's in there to harden up the stool after all those grains loosen it up.


Why so much calcium? Ca is Ca, whether it's milk, coral, or calcium pantothenate. Sure, natural sources are better, but once you isolate it from the milk or coral, it's not natural anymore anyway.

What nutritional benefit does black pepper serve? Anybody know?

"Dried Saccharomyces cerevisiae Fermentation Product"- Funky, serious-sounding way of saying YEAST. Yeast fermentation product- not necessary at all.

Not a pretty food IMO- especially the Bone meal. Notice how that's #1 and they didn't use that in their arguments against Innova? Innova defines bone meal on their site too.

Quote: Originally Posted by Innova Re: Meat and Bone Meal

Meat Meal or Meat & Bone Meal is the rendered product from mammal tissues, with or without bone, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices.

Most people associate this ingredient with beef. The truth is that it can come from any mammal: pigs, goats, horses, rabbits, rendered animals from shelters, and dead animals found on roads. Meat meal can contain condemned parts and animals that are rejected for human consumption, including '4D' animals: dead, diseased, dying, or disabled. It can include pus, cancerous tissue, and decomposed (spoiled) tissue. This inexpensive ingredient found in many commercial pet foods cannot be considered part of a safe, healthy diet for pets.

the dog forum is slighly off in ingredients maybe was an older formula
heres current
http://www.wysong.net/products/arche...g-cat-food.php

I wonder how many other freeze dried products ther are ?

Black pepper actually is a tummy irritant ...

ONLY MEAT and BONE Meal are usually the four Ds and can include roadkill and euthanized domestics ( Chicken meal is chicken , beef meal is beef , pork meal is pork) ... the 4 D thing did happen alot a number of yrs ago but the DEFINTIONS were changed and now unless it is MEAT and BONE you can know it is likely not 4 D ( there are some cases of downer cows in pet food)

Molasses is a sugar , it does contain TINY amounts of vitamins

Beets ARE a good thing, most raw feeders will add this and my raw feeding vet advocates about 1 a month ... Beet pulp is preferred as the sugar is removed .. THE ISSUE is the PROCESSING which often includes chemicals ... In the sugar free form in a dry food it is a PREBIOTIC , ie a item that acts as a growing place for probiotics


MY fav freeze dried which I serve is
www.stellaandchewys.com

Check out the safety protocals

I checked out the stella and chewies raw freeze dried cat food
my pet food store has it on order for me coming next week

frankly I love the ingredients list much more than archetype
and I am awaiting eagerly getting it

Chicken (ground with bone), beef, chicken liver, beef liver, beef kidney, beef heart, beef tripe, chicken gizzard, ground beef bone, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, direct-fed microorganisms (Pediococcus acidilaticici, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium longum, Entercoccus faecium), magnesium oxide, vitamin E supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, biotin, potassium iodide.

Vitamins & Minerals
Calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, magnesium oxide, vitamin E supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, biotin, potassium iodide.

Guaranteed Analysis crude protein... min 42.0%
crude fat... min 25.0%
crude fiber... max 6.0%
moisture... max 5.0%
taurine... min .06%

thanks for letting me and cupido know about them