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post #1 of 68
6/12/09 at 1:20am
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I thought I would add this to the IMO forum because it is in my opinion Kate Gosselin is a bad parent...

Is anybody here watching/have watched "Jon and Kate + 8"?

Anyway, I thought that a lot of what was going on was just unfortunate tabloid fodder. But then I saw the following clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjohr...layer_embedded

In it Mady asks her mother for some water, Kate gets a bottle and drinks some in front of Mady and then places the bottle away from her daughter. When Mady begins to cry, Kate tells her to be quiet.

WHAT THE !!!

That is world class bad parenting. I thought maybe she had some poor editing but that's cruel.

I never saw Mady as a brat, mainly because I was the same way.

But if your child was asking you for water, interview or not wouldn't you get them some. I think the cruel part is she drinks the water and doesn't offer any to her daughter. What a horrible thing to do.
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post #2 of 68
6/12/09 at 3:28am
Last year I watched that show now and again while I was unemployed. Kids aside, the way she treated Jon was always appalling. He needs to grow a pair and learn how to stand up to her. She regularly does nothing but bark at him. I don't know how he's put up with it so long. He's probably scared to stand up to her on camera, and in this world, I would be too if I ever wanted to see my kids if they wind up divorcing. It's just sad.

I never had to ask for a drink of water or milk or whatever as a kid.. I can't begin to imagine my parents telling me to be quiet after asking for a drink of water, or behaving like that towards children. How hard is it to share your water with your kid. Really. She's so tacky.
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post #3 of 68
6/12/09 at 6:25am
I never watched the trashy show, but the other night the TV was blaring away and nobody was watching it as usual. I sat down and there was a program on (don't even know what it was) talking about this couple and how she treated her hubby and about her alleged affair with her bodyguard, ad nauseum, etc.

The comment was that he stands for it because neither one of them want to lose the money they are getting for the show. It will be another Jessica and Nick - once the show is over they will be splitsville!
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post #4 of 68
6/12/09 at 7:08am
I don't think she is a bad parent - she made a mistake on this one; she looked like she wasn't there... she was kind of spaced out, I don't think she even noticed what was going on.
I can't judge someone with 8 kids under 8 yrs old... For what I see, she is a great parent... She cooks all food for her kids from the scratch with organic ingredients, has taken care of all of them without maids from the very beginning and still does... Creates a lot of activities for the kids, and is without a doubt very involved in her kids development. I can not see how that can be called bad parenting.
IMO, her problem is with John and other adults - she is just a b*tch! Big time b*tch. I never seen anybody treating their spouses so badly like she treat John... She completely emasculate him, 24X7... That's why I understand him completely if he has a lover... He's got to crave someone who makes him feel good about himself!
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post #5 of 68
6/12/09 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
I don't think she is a bad parent - she made a mistake on this one; she looked like she wasn't there... she was kind of spaced out, I don't think she even noticed what was going on.
I can't judge someone with 8 kids under 8 yrs old... For what I see, she is a great parent... She cooks all food for her kids from the scratch with organic ingredients, has taken care of all of them without maids from the very beginning and still does... Creates a lot of activities for the kids, and is without a doubt very involved in her kids development. I can not see how that can be called bad parenting.
IMO, her problem is with John and other adults - she is just a b*tch! Big time b*tch. I never seen anybody treating their spouses so badly like she treat John... She completely emasculate him, 24X7... That's why I understand him completely if he has a lover... He's got to crave someone who makes him feel good about himself!
On this program that I watched they were talking about how with all the help they had with the children, when she was away John didn't have anything to do and was hanging out in the local bar. They said she travelled a lot as well. You are saying she doesn't have maids and cooks yet the program said quite the opposite.

Perhaps during the show they don't tape that part showing all the domestic help - they only show her doing some of those things.
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post #6 of 68
6/12/09 at 8:04am
I've never heard of them until i saw them on the "E" channel yesterday. They certainly pulled her to bits showing how she now has her hair and nails done, her teeth whitened, and she's forever on a plane doing some promotional work while he's left behind.

They interviewed a neighbour who said she always spoke and waved, but that all stopped when the money was coming in, and even staff at Starbucks and a grocery store called her rude.

A woman who sounds like she's above herself
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post #7 of 68
6/12/09 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
On this program that I watched they were talking about how with all the help they had with the children, when she was away John didn't have anything to do and was hanging out in the local bar. They said she travelled a lot as well. You are saying she doesn't have maids and cooks yet the program said quite the opposite.

Perhaps during the show they don't tape that part showing all the domestic help - they only show her doing some of those things.
Ok, I watch the show quite a bit, and they don't have maids... They do have help with the kids when she travels on book tours, interviews, etc., as they both agreed she was going to be the one doing that because she is more outgoing, and he doesn't like to speak in public.
Now, the OP is about her, and how she is a bad parent... If she was away and John was in a bar, how is that her fault? That's to be said about him, and not her. IMO also, the media will exaggerate anything - so what he was in a bar? If you had that many kids, wouldn't you need some time for yourself as well?
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post #8 of 68
6/12/09 at 9:24am
Well, I think if she'd given Mady a drink, all seven would have wanted a drink. I'm sure the interview lasted five minutes and she was distracted and she was telling the kids they'd get a drink when they were done. I think she got the water, was going to give Mady a drink then realized they didn't have time for all the kids to get drinks.
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post #9 of 68
6/12/09 at 9:42am
I never liked Jon, Kate, or their show. But, it looks like she tried to get them all drinks and they didn't have time before the interview.
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post #10 of 68
6/12/09 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by cazlee View Post
Last year I watched that show now and again while I was unemployed. Kids aside, the way she treated Jon was always appalling. He needs to grow a pair and learn how to stand up to her. She regularly does nothing but bark at him. I don't know how he's put up with it so long. He's probably scared to stand up to her on camera, and in this world, I would be too if I ever wanted to see my kids if they wind up divorcing. It's just sad.

I never had to ask for a drink of water or milk or whatever as a kid.. I can't begin to imagine my parents telling me to be quiet after asking for a drink of water, or behaving like that towards children. How the f hard is it to share your water with your kid. Really. She's so tacky.
One: I agree that it is tacky (good word) to treat your child that way.

But two: Jon I have no sympathy for. Believe it or not some men like woman like that. It's a turn on. My sister is pretty bad and her husband will actually goad her into a fight, she will stop and say "Wait, I know why you are getting me all riled" He gives that naughty boy smirk. She laughs. It sounds sick and perhaps it is but they are still together 17 years later.
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post #11 of 68
6/12/09 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
Ok, I watch the show quite a bit, and they don't have maids... They do have help with the kids when she travels on book tours, interviews, etc., as they both agreed she was going to be the one doing that because she is more outgoing, and he doesn't like to speak in public.
Now, the OP is about her, and how she is a bad parent... If she was away and John was in a bar, how is that her fault? That's to be said about him, and not her. IMO also, the media will exaggerate anything - so what he was in a bar? If you had that many kids, wouldn't you need some time for yourself as well?
I'm quite sure that since you watch the show you would know more than I. I simply responded that the particular show I was watching mentioned that they had significant help to the point that John had nothing to do while she was away and "played" a lot. The bar was just part of his "playtime". As with all things, one has to believe only part of what one sees or hears in any media these days including the show itself which will show you only what they want you to see.
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post #12 of 68
6/12/09 at 10:45am
You know, the truth is, with the media being as it is today, we will never know when anything is true, unless we are there to see with our own eyes... Drama sells, and that's what they put out there.
One thing is for sure - I would be bar hoping from time to time If I had those many kids!
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post #13 of 68
6/12/09 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
You know, the truth is, with the media being as it is today, we will never know when anything is true, unless we are there to see with our own eyes... Drama sells, and that's what they put out there.
One thing is for sure - I would be bar hoping from time to time If I had those many kids!
No kidding. If I had that many kids I'd practically live at the bar! God knew what he/she was doing when they only gave me one.
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post #14 of 68
6/12/09 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
No kidding. If I had that many kids I'd practically live at the bar! God knew what he/she was doing when they only gave me one.
I know! Maybe that's why God gave me only kitties instead of kids!
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post #15 of 68
6/12/09 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by kscatlady View Post
Well, I think if she'd given Mady a drink, all seven would have wanted a drink. I'm sure the interview lasted five minutes and she was distracted and she was telling the kids they'd get a drink when they were done. I think she got the water, was going to give Mady a drink then realized they didn't have time for all the kids to get drinks.
You could be right. But I will add this small caveat. Supposedly (and I take this with a grain of salt) there is an unedited version of this clip floating around the internet which is even worse. Descriptions say that before Kate takes a sip she looks at Mady and says "Is this what you want?" and shakes the bottle in a taunting manner. Now I have not seen this video, I have not been able to locate it. It's completely heresy at this point, though quite a number of differing sources make the claim. If that is the case - wow... why have so many kids?

And another supposedly, though I thin I recall reading an article where Kate cops to this, the production company has given the family a full time chef, a daily maid, and nannies to care for the kids. So they really aren't doing this all on their own as claimed.

I just saw a Dilley special on Discovery Health. What a difference! This couple raised 6 kids all on their own with only a few days of filming at a time (for an hour long special). The father worked, there were no nannies, no maids, no chefs. Really a better reality.

In Kate's defense, I think that this is what the fame has done to her. I remember her on the first special, with brown hair, and the horrible stomach. At that time I thought she was a little frazzled, but very funny in how she dealt with certain issues. And her willingness to show herself off - I found her to be humble and funny about it at the same time. But things have changed, and the more I see her the worse she is becoming. Fame has made her a bit of a monster.
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post #16 of 68
6/12/09 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by DragulescuGirl View Post
And another supposedly, though I thin I recall reading an article where Kate cops to this, the production company has given the family a full time chef, a daily maid, and nannies to care for the kids. So they really aren't doing this all on their own as claimed.
That's precisely what the program I watched said.
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post #17 of 68
6/12/09 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by DragulescuGirl View Post
In Kate's defense, I think that this is what the fame has done to her. I remember her on the first special, with brown hair, and the horrible stomach. At that time I thought she was a little frazzled, but very funny in how she dealt with certain issues. And her willingness to show herself off - I found her to be humble and funny about it at the same time. But things have changed, and the more I see her the worse she is becoming. Fame has made her a bit of a monster.
I have to agree, I've watched this show since the beginning - she was down to earth & just seemed like a genuinely nice person (maybe a little anal, but with 8 kids who wouldn't be) - NOW, however, I feel the fame has gone to her head & she thinks her "poop" don't stink. IMO, Kate deserves the comments & the ridiculing...I feel bad for the kids though, fame has basically broken their family apart
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post #18 of 68
6/12/09 at 5:50pm
I saw this type of stuff a long time ago, started a thread about it.
My main thing is that "sometimes money costs too much"
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post #19 of 68
6/12/09 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by DragulescuGirl View Post
You could be right. But I will add this small caveat. Supposedly (and I take this with a grain of salt) there is an unedited version of this clip floating around the internet which is even worse. Descriptions say that before Kate takes a sip she looks at Mady and says "Is this what you want?" and shakes the bottle in a taunting manner. Now I have not seen this video, I have not been able to locate it. It's completely heresy at this point, though quite a number of differing sources make the claim. If that is the case - wow... why have so many kids?
I don't see how they could have edited that out of this video.

And they didn't have that many on purpose. Well, I guess, they sort of did. They wanted one more after the twins, couldn't get pregnant without fertility treatments and ended up with seven embryos. One didn't develop. Termination wasn't an option because they don't believe in that.
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post #20 of 68
6/12/09 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by DragulescuGirl View Post
I just saw a Dilley special on Discovery Health. What a difference! This couple raised 6 kids all on their own with only a few days of filming at a time (for an hour long special). The father worked, there were no nannies, no maids, no chefs. Really a better reality.
Kieran - my boyfriend is one of six siblings and they didn't sell their story to make money. No his parents worked hard to provide for their kids - his Dad working full time and his Mum full time raising the kids plus doing part-time work and studying for a degree. They are an incredible family - so far 3 of them have degrees there is one qualified plumber and Kieran's an apprentice plumber. Not bad and 6 kids isn't impossible.

ETA: 6 kids is impossible for me whereas 6 cats is bliss!
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post #21 of 68
6/12/09 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by WellingtonCats View Post
Kieran - my boyfriend is one of six siblings and they didn't sell their story to make money. No his parents worked hard to provide for their kids - his Dad working full time and his Mum full time raising the kids plus doing part-time work and studying for a degree. They are an incredible family - so far 3 of them have degrees there is one qualified plumber and Kieran's an apprentice plumber. Not bad and 6 kids isn't impossible.

ETA: 6 kids is impossible for me whereas 6 cats is bliss!
I love big families! I think that in many cases the kids come out as successfully as your boyfriend and his siblings.
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post #22 of 68
6/13/09 at 5:54am
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Kieran - my boyfriend is one of six siblings and they didn't sell their story to make money. No his parents worked hard to provide for their kids - his Dad working full time and his Mum full time raising the kids plus doing part-time work and studying for a degree. They are an incredible family - so far 3 of them have degrees there is one qualified plumber and Kieran's an apprentice plumber. Not bad and 6 kids isn't impossible.

ETA: 6 kids is impossible for me whereas 6 cats is bliss!
I'd agree. My hubby is one of 6 kids and his mother never worked outside the home. They didn't have a lot of the stuff kids have these days but you would be hard pressed to find a nicer family. I've been married to him for almost 32 years and I can honestly, truly say that I've NEVER heard one of his family speak poorly of another nor have I ever seen an argument amongst them. I didn't think that was possible but I've seen it with my own eyes and I'm still amazed after all these years.
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post #23 of 68
6/13/09 at 6:37am
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I don't see how they could have edited that out of this video.

And they didn't have that many on purpose. Well, I guess, they sort of did. They wanted one more after the twins, couldn't get pregnant without fertility treatments and ended up with seven embryos. One didn't develop. Termination wasn't an option because they don't believe in that.
That assumes you believe what Kate says. I've read accounts that say she wasn't proven to be infertile, that she wanted multiples and could get invetro because of her nursing contacts. They had only been married a few months before they conceived the twins. But twins weren't enough for her. Jon was against having any more, but Kate always gets her way.
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post #24 of 68
6/13/09 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
You know, the truth is, with the media being as it is today, we will never know when anything is true, unless we are there to see with our own eyes... Drama sells, and that's what they put out there.
One thing is for sure - I would be bar hoping from time to time If I had those many kids!

I'd open a bar and all the kids could work there
Just kidding!

I really don't know that I see them as bad parents. I would take a boat load of patience to live with 8 kids! Then they were silly enough to get involved with their own TV reality show which would put a normal family under stress. Kate does seem a bit snippy. As far as Jon goes, I think it's nice to have someone opposite to balance out her lack of patience. Who knows what they are like in real life.
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post #25 of 68
6/14/09 at 9:34am
I am fairly certain that every parent I know could present as a bad parent if you catch them at the right moment. I do think the show is exploitation of the children - but we have always allowed parents to exploit their children. I have no doubt that Kate is in it for the money and fame - why else would she or anyone be in it?
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post #26 of 68
6/18/09 at 2:18am
If the only reason why she would not give a drink to 1 child because of interview times she should have given them all their drinks....
I have 3 kids all 11 months apart and if 1 gets they all do no matter what..She should have done the interview later if it made all of her kids happy...
If i have to miss a bus or reschedule an appointment for my kids i will so her rescheduling an interview(even for an hour later,or 15mins is bull)
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post #27 of 68
6/22/09 at 12:50pm
Give them a break. They probably would have split up earlier if it weren't for the tv show - it gave them a chance to do fun things with their kids, and gave them the money to be able to give their kids a good lifestyle.

So she didn't give her kid a drink while she was doing an interview. Kate didn't have much time, and had a quick sip, and there wasn't time for the kid to have a drink too. She went to give her some water, but realised there wasn't time. Mady wasn't going to die of thirst, and I'm sure Kate gave her a drink as soon as she could. It's no different to a parent hurrying a kid out the door who says "you can have a drink once we get there". It's just suddenly so much worse because there's a camera involved.

I have no doubt that if a camera followed any full time parent around 24/7 and only showed the "mean" stuff, then they would come across as a bad parent.

If I was trying to care for 8 kids under 8 years old I would be very short on patience, and snap at my kids, and do things that may seem mean, but still remain a good mother. Nobody is perfect, and I have no doubt these kids have had a better life thanks to the tv show.

Edit: ok just watched some clips from the show. They look incredibly overwhelmed and stressed and are taking it out on each other. I think anybody who is pregnant with that many kids needs to make the decision to terminate some of the eggs. I don't think anyone could handle that pressure.
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post #28 of 68
6/22/09 at 1:17pm
My only opinion on this show is that I do not agree with in vitro fertilization that ends up in multiples that a normal family cannot possibly take care of, and I believe the Gosselins fall into this category. Taking care of a couple children, let alone 8, is incredibly expensive and if it weren't for the exploitation of theses kids' lives, no way would they have been able to afford the things they have like a big house, vacations, nannies, visits to the tanning salon, etc.

Making your life into a reality show is a recipe for disaster, it has been shown time and time again that nothing good ever comes out of it.
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post #29 of 68
6/22/09 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by katiemae1277 View Post
My only opinion on this show is that I do not agree with in vitro fertilization that ends up in multiples that a normal family cannot possibly take care of, and I believe the Gosselins fall into this category. Taking care of a couple children, let alone 8, is incredibly expensive and if it weren't for the exploitation of theses kids' lives, no way would they have been able to afford the things they have like a big house, vacations, nannies, visits to the tanning salon, etc.

Making your life into a reality show is a recipe for disaster, it has been shown time and time again that nothing good ever comes out of it.
I agree with you fully. And after watching a little more of this show (4th birthday - Cupcake-gate), I am agreeing more that Kate is better suited to have one child rather than 8. How could you take a bunch of 4 year olds to a cupcake making/decorating thing, and NOT let them get dirty and NOT let them eat anything?!?! That's the whole point! Man this show is like a train wreck - I can't drag myself away.
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post #30 of 68
6/22/09 at 3:30pm
I knew this was going to happen from the start of the show.

If you had people prying into your buisness and filming you all the time, plus having 8 young kids everyone knows about and a lot of stress, I can see why they flipped out and are on the verge of divorce.

Best thing to do is cancel the show and have less media around so they can try to have more private lives and try to work things out.
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