I love polydactyls, I have sort of a thing about them, but I wouldn't go out and buy one. If I was in the market for a cat, I'd just wait until a polydactyl became available at the shelter.
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Polydactyl breeders
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SO, if you have a purebred polydactil, you can't show it as a purebred? Even though it is?? A friend of mine has a purebred poly snowshoe; he can't show him then?
You can not show cats in CFA like that because it is a defect.
They would be disqualified.
The breed standards for all CFA recognized breeds call for disqualification if a pedigreed cat has extra toes. Responsible breeders of pedigreed cats will not use a cat known to carry the Pd gene in their breeding program.
They would be disqualified.
The breed standards for all CFA recognized breeds call for disqualification if a pedigreed cat has extra toes. Responsible breeders of pedigreed cats will not use a cat known to carry the Pd gene in their breeding program.
IHi,
I think thats a really great regulation
The real problem with polydactyl cats in my eyes is that man kind just doesn't seem to know when to stop and super- polys would sooner or later come into fashion, with the goal being breeding as many extra toes as possible- and that just can't be good for a cat.
Does this regulation also count for Maine coons, or is there an exeption for this breed?
regards,
Christine
I think what Martice is saying is that that is NO such breed as a polydactyl.
I'm glad we don't have the snowshoe in our association
I know there is no limit to the amount of toes a Maine Coon can have here in the NZCFOriginally Posted by cjh27
IHi,
I think thats a really great regulation
The real problem with polydactyl cats in my eyes is that man kind just doesn't seem to know when to stop and super- polys would sooner or later come into fashion, with the goal being breeding as many extra toes as possible- and that just can't be good for a cat.
Does this regulation also count for Maine coons, or is there an exeption for this breed?
regards,
Christine
Thanks Sam - that's what I meant - there are no "polydactal" breed of cat as it is found in many different mixed breeds and maybe a few purebreds from time to time. But the purebreds are few and far between - it doesn't occur on a regular basis.
Most of the moggies in my area are polydactyl - it's a genetic abnormality, not a breed. If someone is making money from selling polydactyl moggies, which are commonplace, then it's a scam funded by people who don't know any better.
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I don't think toes are mentioned in our MC standard. I've never heard anyone talking about having polys so I don't know if they are allowed here or not.Originally Posted by WellingtonCats
I know there is no limit to the amount of toes a Maine Coon can have here in the NZCF
Extra toes are not a deformity.
They are considered an anomaly (deviation from the norm)
They are considered an anomaly (deviation from the norm)
... just two different ways to describe the same thing. If you look up both definitions you find this:
de⋅form⋅i⋅ty [di-fawr-mi-tee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1.\tthe quality or state of being deformed, disfigured, or misshapen.
2.\tPathology. an abnormally formed part of the body.
3.\ta deformed person or thing.
4.\thatefulness; ugliness.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deformity
deformity
when a part of the body has not developed in the normal way or with the normal shape
from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...0382&dict=CALD
a⋅nom⋅a⋅ly [uh-nom-uh-lee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -lies.
1.\ta deviation from the common rule, type, arrangement, or form.
2.\tsomeone or something anomalous: With his quiet nature, he was an anomaly in his exuberant family.
3.\tan odd, peculiar, or strange condition, situation, quality, etc.
4.\tan incongruity or inconsistency.
5.\tAstronomy. a quantity measured in degrees, defining the position of an orbiting body with respect to the point at which it is nearest to or farthest from its primary.
6.\tMeteorology. the amount of deviation of a meteorological quantity from the accepted normal value of that quantity.
7.\tGrammar. irregularity.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anomaly
anomaly
a person or thing that is different from what is usual, or not in agreement with something else and therefore not satisfactory
from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...3048&dict=CALD
regards,
Christine
In CFA, no breed is allowed to be shown with extra toes. It is a disualifiable fault. This also applies to the Maine Coons. I think it is different in other associations, and opinions on the issue are quite strong from one association to the next.
My personal opinion. . . we don't know what comes along with extra toes. Time has proven that certain mutations come along with a predisposition for other unwanted traits. Why introduce/propagate an unknown mutation in an already healthy breed?
My personal opinion. . . we don't know what comes along with extra toes. Time has proven that certain mutations come along with a predisposition for other unwanted traits. Why introduce/propagate an unknown mutation in an already healthy breed?
At our show, we had a very interesting discussion with Julie Nichols (Australian judge) and the polydactyl issue came up because this was dealing with MC's and poly and "acceptance".
Most are against it. and Julie said that when you get too many toes it will cause bone problems in the way the MC's are walking with their weight and size. Right now it doesn't seem to be in issue, but HOW MANY IS TOO MANY TOES?
To what extreme will breeders go if its accepted? Will there be a limit on the number of toes?
IMO it should never be accepted in a purebred and it should never be encouraged to breed for this in any breed or mixed breed cat. Not everyone is ethical and think of the nightmares in the hands of backyard breeders!
Most are against it. and Julie said that when you get too many toes it will cause bone problems in the way the MC's are walking with their weight and size. Right now it doesn't seem to be in issue, but HOW MANY IS TOO MANY TOES?
To what extreme will breeders go if its accepted? Will there be a limit on the number of toes?
IMO it should never be accepted in a purebred and it should never be encouraged to breed for this in any breed or mixed breed cat. Not everyone is ethical and think of the nightmares in the hands of backyard breeders!
Hmm,
it IS a controversal topic and some MC breeders will want polys while others don't think it right.
If polys are accepted in show I'd say that there should be a regulation concerning the numbers of extra digits and their positioning.
regards,
Christine
Even if you try to limit - HOW would you possibly do it? Its not a control thing - and if it has too many toes? - will the cat be petted out? Will it be bred anyway even if not shown?
IMO its a nightmare waiting to happen!
IMO its a nightmare waiting to happen!
I totally agree. As I said in a previous discussion about polydactyls, I know two bad examples how this deformity can ruin a cats life. The other cat had to have the extra toes amputated because they were causing her a lot of pain and affected her ability to walk, and the other cat had to be put to sleep because of it.
If people haven't seen or heard anything bad about polydactyls, they propably don't realize how bad the situation may get if they start breeding them on purpose. However, they could use their common sense..if they have any.
Just a random factoid, worldwide record is 28 toes on one cat. 7 on all four paws.
Here is the SOP we have for MCO's in NZ if you are interested:
http://www.nzcf.com/breeds/sop/MaineCoon.pdf
I'll also add that the MCO people are arguing that they are NOT breeding for extra toes, it is infact an original part of the breed and they would like it to stay. They are not breeding them because they like extra toes and wouldn't breed cats just because they had extra toes.
http://www.nzcf.com/breeds/sop/MaineCoon.pdf
I'll also add that the MCO people are arguing that they are NOT breeding for extra toes, it is infact an original part of the breed and they would like it to stay. They are not breeding them because they like extra toes and wouldn't breed cats just because they had extra toes.
As a human being with a genetic joint disorder, I would plead with every breeder out there to try to not breed any feature that may potentially cause pain or difficulty. You may think that achy feet are OK in the search for the perfect head/ear/coat, but given that I experience it every day, I don't think it's OK at all - if there is even a small risk of the sort of problem described above, it is IMO unethical to deliberately breed such cats.
I don't have extra toes, but I do have foot and hand problems which are not even visible, caused by joint problems right inside my joints, ligaments, and tendons - and yes sometimes that genetic abnormality makes me wish I'd never been born, because it causes me pain and ongoing problems every day of my life.
I look completely physically normal, there is absolutely no outward sign of the pain and discomfort I suffer every day - and I don't moan and cry about it either, the only way you would know about it is because I can speak and can tell you.
So please consider very strongly before breeding from a cat with extra toes which in itself will eventually put additional pressure on the joints and small bones within the foot - is it worth it just to have the perfect ears or head to perpetuate a physical deviation that places extra stress on the small joints of the foot? IMO it is never worth the risk of foot pain - if you'd experienced it yourself you'd know before I told you
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