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post #1 of 50
4/3/09 at 11:44am
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http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00144

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U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 111th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Motion (Motion to Waive CBA re: Cornyn Amdt. No. 934 )
Vote Number: 144 Vote Date: April 2, 2009, 07:18 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Motion Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 934 to S.Con.Res. 13 (No short title on file)

Statement of Purpose: To increase transparency by requiring five days of public review of legislation before passage by the Senate.
Vote Counts: YEAs 46
NAYs 52
Not Voting 1



Well, I figured his promise of transparency was a lie.
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post #2 of 50
4/4/09 at 8:16am
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Wow, no one has commented on this travesty. Does no one here care?

We, the taxpayers, are the ones required to pay for Barack's multi-billion dollar spending bills but we are not allowed to see them first before Congress votes on them?

Is this the transparency promised?
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post #3 of 50
4/4/09 at 9:57am
I didn't hear any of the arguments. Do you know the reasoning behind a nay vote? (close to 100% dem, I believe) Maybe something like,"We need to spend money faster...not slower!"

I see Kennedy didn't vote. Is he no longer functioning?
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post #4 of 50
4/4/09 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Wow, no one has commented on this travesty. Does no one here care?

We, the taxpayers, are the ones required to pay for Barack's multi-billion dollar spending bills but we are not allowed to see them first before Congress votes on them?

Is this the transparency promised?
Did Congress promise transparency? That's a Senate vote, so a different branch of government.
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post #5 of 50
4/4/09 at 12:57pm
So are you suggesting that Obama is responsible for how every government official in Washington votes? Interesting concept.

I'm still looking for the Obama smashing smilie.
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post #6 of 50
4/4/09 at 1:22pm
I'm not sure where ckblv is coming from, but my view is...

If this was something that BO wanted to see happen, the democrats would not have voted 100% against it. And yes, absolutely, he has some influence over how members of his party vote.

Actually, I believe a few dems did vote in favor of the bill, however the nays were all democrats with the exception of maybe one independent. So again I'm asking because I really don't know the answer to this... why such strong opposition to the bill by the democrats? Because they are in power and can shove through anything they want? Why wait 5 days?

Explain it to me, because I'm really want to know the reason, not just responses.
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post #7 of 50
4/4/09 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Wow, no one has commented on this travesty. Does no one here care?
Perhaps if you labeled each 'travesty' accordingly, there would be a bigger response. "Change You Can Believe In" will undoubtedly be a jibe at the president, rather than a discusion of the issue in question, so what point is there in opining?

In addition to this thread, you have posted several "changes we can believe in"


http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...78&postcount=1

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...47&postcount=2

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...53&postcount=2

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=32

What I'm trying to say is that "Change you can believe in" means nothing to me regarding why this issue is even an issue...
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post #8 of 50
4/4/09 at 1:49pm
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What I'm trying to say is that "Change you can believe in" means nothing to me regarding why this issue is even an issue...
The question is, why the opposition to this bill? I still have no clue. Your post did not clear anything up for me.
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post #9 of 50
4/4/09 at 1:49pm
Sad that most of America was blinded by the truth and believed the lies that Obama said.
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post #10 of 50
4/4/09 at 1:56pm
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The question is, why the opposition to this bill? I still have no clue. Your post did not clear anything up for me.
That's because I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to ckblv's inquiry about why no one was posting replies in this thread. I believe I was replying to a post that occurred before yours, and up to that point I had no idea who "he" was in "Well, I figured his promise of transparency was a lie." I also didn't understand why a promise of transparency would be violated in context of what was posted. The OP did not clarify these points. Do you understand my post now?
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post #11 of 50
4/4/09 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
That's because I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to ckblv's inquiry about why no one was posting replies in this thread. I believe I was replying to a post that occurred before yours, and up to that point I had no idea who "he" was in "Well, I figured his promise of transparency was a lie." I also didn't understand why a promise of transparency would be violated in context of what was posted. The OP did not clarify these points. Do you understand my post now?
I do. I'm still curious whether you think the bill was voted down for a specific reason, was valid, etc. As I said, I did not hear or read the arguments, so I don't completely understand the opposition to it. Do you?
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post #12 of 50
4/4/09 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
I do. I'm still curious whether you think the bill was voted down for a specific reason, was valid, etc. As I said, I did not hear or read the arguments, so I don't completely understand the opposition to it. Do you?
I don't know anything about how many days of public review are currently required and what actions the public could take in such a limited time... I just wanted to know what the thread was about. Any opinion I may have is uninformed.

Sorry for ranting. I just think the banter about Obama takes away from the issue at hand, which should concern people of every affiliation. (For the record, I'm neither D nor R.)
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post #13 of 50
4/4/09 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post

Sorry for ranting. I just think the banter about Obama takes away from the issue at hand, which should concern people of every affiliation. (For the record, I'm neither D nor R.)
I understand. I went to the link and tried to find links to the discussion & vote, but my head started to spin so I quit. Truthfully, I don't think that most people would be able to wade through the information even if it was available. I see that both of my state's representatives voted against the bill, so maybe I'll just email them and ask why. In english please...
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post #14 of 50
4/4/09 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
So are you suggesting that Obama is responsible for how every government official in Washington votes? Interesting concept.

I'm still looking for the Obama smashing smilie.

If you really think the Democrats in Congress are not aware of what Obama wants them to do as far as all the trillions in bills he has been signing right and left I don't know what to tell you.

Barack Obma is the one that promised "transparency", Barack Obama is the one that promised that spending bills that spend OUR money be posted on the internet for five days for the public to see before the trillions in dollars of our money gets voted on.

This little party line vote gets him out of those promises very neatly, don't you agree? And Obama is clean, because he can't help it that Congress voted this down.

Maybe some people don't care about a transparent administration, maybe some people don't care if the trillions in spending bills gets posted on the internet for five days so the people that are actually going to pay for his spending bills can see what they will be paying for.
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post #15 of 50
4/4/09 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
Perhaps if you labeled each 'travesty' accordingly, there would be a bigger response. "Change You Can Believe In" will undoubtedly be a jibe at the president, rather than a discusion of the issue in question, so what point is there in opining?

In addition to this thread, you have posted several "changes we can believe in"


http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...78&postcount=1

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...47&postcount=2

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...53&postcount=2

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=32

What I'm trying to say is that "Change you can believe in" means nothing to me regarding why this issue is even an issue...
Then don't post. It's all good.
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post #16 of 50
4/4/09 at 4:59pm
Same question. Do you know what their argument was against passing the bill? It seems like such a no brainer. What was their reasoning?
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post #17 of 50
4/4/09 at 5:23pm
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The vote is plain to me, the Democrats in Congress don't believe that we, the American taxpayers, have a right to see what WE will pay for. We are just supposed to shut up and pay.

This gives Barack an out to not post the spending bills online like he promised and it won't be his fault.

I have not seen where any Democrat has even seen fit to give their reason for voting against the bill. They don't have to answer to anyone, they are Congress, we are just the gullible masses that pay for their massive spending.
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post #18 of 50
4/4/09 at 5:54pm
I sent off emails to our state senators requesting the reasoning being their nay votes. In a short 6-8 weeks I should have responses to share with you.
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post #19 of 50
4/4/09 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Barack Obma is the one that promised "transparency", Barack Obama is the one that promised that spending bills that spend OUR money be posted on the internet for five days for the public to see before the trillions in dollars of our money gets voted on.

Maybe some people don't care about a transparent administration, maybe some people don't care if the trillions in spending bills gets posted on the internet for five days so the people that are actually going to pay for his spending bills can see what they will be paying for.
First question: How many things did Bush promise and failed to deliver in 8 years? And note that Obama has only been in office for 2 months.

Second question: No one previously has offered transparency in government before, and no one has demanded to see spending before. I would have loved to see where Bush spent money during his term, but he didn't even put the war into the budget. Talk about anti-transparency. So why is it that transparency is suddenly important? Is it because Obama can't force change fast enough for you?
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post #20 of 50
4/4/09 at 8:50pm
There is still the old fashioned way. Go to the Senate Chambers. That big table right inside the door is covered with the things they'll be discussing that day. You can read to your heart's content.
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post #21 of 50
4/4/09 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
First question: How many things did Bush promise and failed to deliver in 8 years? And note that Obama has only been in office for 2 months.

Second question: No one previously has offered transparency in government before, and no one has demanded to see spending before. I would have loved to see where Bush spent money during his term, but he didn't even put the war into the budget. Talk about anti-transparency. So why is it that transparency is suddenly important? Is it because Obama can't force change fast enough for you?
You know, that's a good question. If being voted down in the Senate makes one a liar, then Bush spent his last 2 years in office lying his spurs off.
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post #22 of 50
4/4/09 at 9:05pm
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Same old song and dance, back to Bush.

These are Barack's promises, not Bush's. Barack owns this, not Bush.
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post #23 of 50
4/4/09 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Same old song and dance, back to Bush.

These are Barack's promises, not Bush's. Barack owns this, not Bush.
Awww, but we learned the song and dance from you guys.

But, like I said, go to the Senate chambers, everything on the day's agenda will be on that great big rosewood table just inside the door.
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post #24 of 50
4/5/09 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Awww, but we learned the song and dance from you guys.

But, like I said, go to the Senate chambers, everything on the day's agenda will be on that great big rosewood table just inside the door.

Who is, "you guys"?

I cannot go to the Senate chambers, I live a few thousand miles away and I have a job that prevents me.

Going to the Senate chambers is a smoke screen IMO.

As I said before, Barack is the one that made this promise, he owns it.
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post #25 of 50
4/5/09 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Who is, "you guys"?

I cannot go to the Senate chambers, I live a few thousand miles away and I have a job that prevents me.

Going to the Senate chambers is a smoke screen IMO.

As I said before, Barack is the one that made this promise, he owns it.
It's not a smokescreen, I've been there, that's how I knew about the big table. I was there when they were working on the bill about saving wild mustangs.

I don't see how it's anyone else's problem that you can't go.
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post #26 of 50
4/5/09 at 10:15am
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That has nothing, whatsoever, to do with Barack's promise to post all bills on the internet for five days so everyone can see them before they are voted on.
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post #27 of 50
4/5/09 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
That has nothing, whatsoever, to do with Barack's promise to post all bills on the internet for five days so everyone can see them.
Not a lot he can do about it when voted down. Sorry, that's the breaks in real politics.
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post #28 of 50
4/5/09 at 10:24am
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This Congress does what Barack wants and Barack is behind this IMO.
That is my point.

I just can't fathom anyone seriously entertaining the idea that the Democrat ruled Congress would do anything that Barack did not want them to do.
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post #29 of 50
4/5/09 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
This Congress does what Barack wants and Barack is behind this IMO.
That is my point.

I just can't fathom anyone seriously entertaining the idea that the Democrat ruled Congress would do anything that Barack did not want them to do.
Oh really. Thus far they seem to have a pretty lousy track record of "doing what he wants".
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post #30 of 50
4/5/09 at 10:28am
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Oh really. Thus far they seem to have a pretty lousy track record of "doing what he wants".
Oh really? I haven't seen it.
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