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post #1 of 31
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The big flap last week was news that the CARB (a clever car-related acronym for the California Air Resources Board) was considering banning black as a color available on cars sold in CA. They have since said they don't currently have that in mind, but who knows?

The latest is that CARB is going to mandate that tires be checked regularly for proper pressure.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12003819

It's a good idea to keep your tires properly inflated. It is safer, it extends the life of your tires, and it saves gas. But do you want the officer checking your tire pressure the next time you get pulled over for speeding? Actually, right now, they are only talking about mandating that all service businesses check every car.

CARB has essentially taken over the government in CA. Their mandates have essentially put all independent truck owner/operators out of business at the ports; the way they wrote the rules, no O/O can afford to operate. There was even a move to ban them, specifically, although they finally decided just to structure the rules as they did.

CARB has also passed regulation on trucks coming into CA that some say will eventually make it impossible for non-CA registered trucks to enter the state.

So...you CA folks going to drive your white Prius out to the AZ border to do your shopping?
post #2 of 31
Why would they want to ban black cars? I don't get it
post #3 of 31
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Originally Posted by AlleyGirl View Post
Why would they want to ban black cars? I don't get it
My guess would be that they draw in a lot of heat due to the color and it takes more energy (and gas) to cool a black car down in the heat. *shrug*

But I'm just guessing.
post #4 of 31
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You got it in one!
post #5 of 31
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Originally Posted by AlleyGirl View Post
Why would they want to ban black cars? I don't get it
It's a racial thing!

Isn't California a little bit crazier than the rest of the US anyway?
post #6 of 31
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
The big flap last week was news that the CARB (a clever car-related acronym for the California Air Resources Board) was considering banning black as a color available on cars sold in CA. They have since said they don't currently have that in mind, but who knows?

The latest is that CARB is going to mandate that tires be checked regularly for proper pressure.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12003819

It's a good idea to keep your tires properly inflated. It is safer, it extends the life of your tires, and it saves gas. But do you want the officer checking your tire pressure the next time you get pulled over for speeding? Actually, right now, they are only talking about mandating that all service businesses check every car.

CARB has essentially taken over the government in CA. Their mandates have essentially put all independent truck owner/operators out of business at the ports; the way they wrote the rules, no O/O can afford to operate. There was even a move to ban them, specifically, although they finally decided just to structure the rules as they did.

CARB has also passed regulation on trucks coming into CA that some say will eventually make it impossible for non-CA registered trucks to enter the state.

So...you CA folks going to drive your white Prius out to the AZ border to do your shopping?
I think they are ALL nuts in California and have been for quite some time.
post #7 of 31
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
So...you CA folks going to drive your white Prius out to the AZ border to do your shopping?
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
It's a racial thing!

Isn't California a little bit crazier than the rest of the US anyway?
All of the cars should be white, no colors allowed.


Just kidding, my truck is black and I like it that way. Also, there's an indicator light on the dash that lets me know when my tire pressure is low, so I will not be driving anywhere in a white Prius.
post #8 of 31
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think they are ALL nuts in California and have been for quite some time.
Oh, please.



post #9 of 31
Whew, lucky my Prius is blue

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think they are ALL nuts in California and have been for quite some time.
Well that's not very nice!
post #10 of 31
I don't think it's everyone who live in California who are nuts. I personally know there are still a few conservative hold-outs in California. But I do think that most of the people California elects and a lot of the political ideas coming from out there are proof positive that you can get too much sun! (I'm not sure what the reason for Boulder, Colorado is...they are just as extreme Left, if not moreso than the likes of Berkeley... I would say the thin air, but the rest of Colorado hasn't gone koo-koo yet!)

OK, seriously...Banning a color of car because it's going to take more freon to cool it in the summer is seriously ludicrous. What about those midnight-blue type shades that are so dark you can only see color if the light hits it just right? They are already handicapping Detroit with the California emissions that they require which is so much higher than the rest of the world, and they are going to cripple the land-based shipping industry (except, of course, that they can get just about anything shipped in to their ports, until they regulate the emissions of the oceanic shipping industry). It's like they (the politicians) want to have their own little country.
post #11 of 31
in answer to your question, Mike - yes.
post #12 of 31
Utah has more stringent emissions standards than California.
As for a black vehicle using more gas to cool the interior, hogwash.
The interiror is going to get just as hot in a black car as in any other.
The key is covering as much of the window surface as possible to reflect the sunlight away.

Ever burned ants with a magnifying glass? Even if you haven't, the color of the handle makes no difference in how the light refracts through the glass.
post #13 of 31
CA has always been a little off in the vehicle regulations department... they also charge ridiculous amounts for registration... especially for non-sedan/minivan type of cars. My pickup, purchased brand new, cost me over 400 to register it for the first time... I can't remember if they're annual or every other year... I've lived elsewhere for so long, I can't remember. NY, IL and Oregon are resonably cheaper for registration and tags... I've lived and registered vehicles in each of those states...I'm not entirely surprised at the wacky rules CARB is getting passed... sad, really.

As for Californians being crazy... I have a button somewhere that sums it up... I'm a Native Californian and I poke fun at my 'heritage' constantly.

Button says: California is like Granola. Take away the fruits and nuts and all you have left are the flakes!

I think that describes CA quite well... of course, it kinda describes Oregon as well... mostly Portland.
post #14 of 31
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Originally Posted by RubSluts'Mommy View Post
Button says: California is like Granola. Take away the fruits and nuts and all you have left are the flakes!

I think that describes CA quite well... of course, it kinda describes Oregon as well... mostly Portland.
I think it fits Eugene better than Portland
post #15 of 31
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Originally Posted by Arlyn View Post
I think it fits Eugene better than Portland
I've only passed through Eugene myself... haven't had much need for stopping there... but being here nearly three years, I've seen my share of loonies... including the time last summer some religious nuts marched through my trashy neighborhood screaming that we're all going to h*** ... I think just because we lived in close proximity to several strip clubs... not my fault they're there... if landlords wouldn't charge so stinking much to live in slightly better neighborhoods, I wouldn't be living here... *sigh* but that's OT here... and I'll hopefully be moving this summer (waitlisted)

Between Bezerkeley, Portland/Eugene, and Boulder, we have the nuts spread out well enough... put 'em all in one place and there might be trouble. Of course, if you guys saw the kinds of clothes I make for myself, you'd probably group me in with them... that and I am a Lefty (handed and politically, although not too extreme).

Though, CA can keep the fruits and flakes... I'm waiting for the quake to break off CA in one whole piece and make it an island... I don't want it to sink... I have too many family members there... an island would be fine though...
post #16 of 31
What these people don't understand is unintended consequences. The idea sounds like utopia but....

Boulder put a severe limit on housing growth in the 1970s and encouraged business growth. As a result, no one can afford to live there. The small towns around it grew and the rush hour traffic into and out of Boulder is bad. Every morning I see a huge amount traffic moving maybe 20 MPH. Think of how much air pollution this is generating.

As for Boulder attracting the extreme left, there is a story (how true it is ) that a judge thought marijuana should be legal and the next thing that happened was that there were flyers all over Berkeley saying it was legal in Boulder.
post #17 of 31
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As for Boulder attracting the extreme left, there is a story (how true it is ) that a judge thought marijuana should be legal and the next thing that happened was that there were flyers all over Berkeley saying it was legal in Boulder.
I had a friend who lives and works in Boulder. Someone asked him where Boulder was and his reply was classic: "Go to the edge of reality, and take a Left!"
post #18 of 31
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I'm waiting for the quake to break off CA in one whole piece and make it an island... I don't want it to sink...
Why do people think an earthquake could break off California? That isn't possible...

On the topic of high registration costs... if I couldn't afford to pay the costs of owning a truck, I wouldn't have bought one!

There are so many cars on the road here, many of them big trucks/SUVs that wear out streets more quickly than small cars. IMO, if driving a large vehicle is a luxury as opposed to a necessity, and you can't afford the registration costs, then just don't buy one. It isn't afforable to drive large vehicles around town anyhow when you pair high traffic volume with low fuel efficiency.

Unfortunately, there are many, many problems with our public transportation system that make it a waste of time and money for commuters. It's much more convenient to drive pretty much everywhere. The Denver-Boulder area manages to have clean, efficient, and affordable public transportation system whereas the primary concern of transportation companies here isn't any of those things- it's profit and politics.
post #19 of 31
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Originally Posted by arlyn View Post
utah has more stringent emissions standards than california.
As for a black vehicle using more gas to cool the interior, hogwash.
The interiror is going to get just as hot in a black car as in any other.
The key is covering as much of the window surface as possible to reflect the sunlight away.

Ever burned ants with a magnifying glass? Even if you haven't, the color of the handle makes no difference in how the light refracts through the glass.
ant abuser
post #20 of 31
lol Well, I admit it, as a kid I was in fact guilty of being an ant bully
post #21 of 31
I couldnt view the link, so dont yell at me if i am getting this wrong...lol

My guess is that our Government here in Cali (:::cries::: hte governator is leaving us!!!) is basically trying to make it SEEM like they are doing something to better our air quality etc.... If any of you other Californians been to Fresno....we have one of the worst air pollution in the US...no Joke! When i was a kid i didnt have asthma....19 years in the valley i am now asthmatic! Only on days when it has rained can you see the Sierra Nevadas...otherwise it is just brown fog looking crap....but i blame all those on the coast cause their pollution gets blown down in our valley where it gets trapped!!

As for California people being nuts....I truely am offended!!. I have been to numerous states in the US, particularly in the south and have met some rather odd people...

In case you dont know by like 5-6 years from now i think it will be mandatory for all big rig trucks to be changed to that clean fuel stuff cant think of what it is called. You should see UC Davis (school) all freshman have to ride bikes and cant have cars on campus, they are like the "cleanest" in the state lmao. As for Oregon, my cousins lived in Springfield, now live in some small town. There are some CRAZY drivers there, much scarier than my own grandma!

As for the earthquake issue....um not too sure but there was a movie, 10.0 or something where the earthquake cut off like LA area or w/e, it was supposed to be about the rumor of how Cali may become an island lmao. ANYTHING is possible!!
post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by Arlyn View Post
Utah has more stringent emissions standards than California.
Um...no.

Utah is part of the western emissions co-operative, but its emissions regulations are less stringent than California's in many regards, including not requiring so many different "boutique" gasoline blends, and not requiring older trucks to be upgraded to the newest equipment. SLC has the same problem L.A. has, in that the mountains behind it tend to hold the pollution there.

Utah's laws are enough different that some trucking companies and distributors have moved their operations out of California and into Utah.
post #23 of 31
I just moved from Utah, part of the re-licensing process for new residents owning a 4wd bought out of state is to completely dismantle the drive train, axels and hubs and inspect them.
This is all part of their emissions testing process, I'd call that more stringent.
post #24 of 31
Has anyone checked snopes.com on this - might be enlightening.
post #25 of 31
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Originally Posted by JuneBugBear07 View Post
As for California people being nuts....I truely am offended!!. I have been to numerous states in the US, particularly in the south and have met some rather odd people...
I've also been to the south... and yes, there are some oddballs there... but I think (and don't shoot me, anyone) that some of that may be the choice of ... ahem .... breeding practices. CA is Crazy by choice. Remember, I'm born and raised California... and I willingly admit we're all nuts there.

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As for Oregon, my cousins lived in Springfield, now live in some small town. There are some CRAZY drivers there, much scarier than my own grandma!
In my first month of living here in Oregon, I nearly got hit about five times... and I'm a reasonably decent driver... and don't get me started on the wack-job laws here in Portland about the bicyclists and pedestrians. I get that they/we need more protection, but some of them take it to the extreme... they know they'll get zero blame for causing an accident (autos are automatically blamed for it), even if they stupidly dash out in front of a moving piece of steel that CAN'T stop in time... I've seen them do it... and guess who gets the blame? But I digress... Living here has made me form the opinion that IQ tests should be required before driving tests... if ya ain't smart enough, ya ain't gonna get a license to drive!

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As for the earthquake issue....um not too sure but there was a movie, 10.0 or something where the earthquake cut off like LA area or w/e, it was supposed to be about the rumor of how Cali may become an island lmao. ANYTHING is possible!!
Well, I was kinda being humorous there... but God knows CA has enough fault lines... I'm waiting for the next one to roll along my own town's fault. We haven't had one over 4.0 in many years...
post #26 of 31
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Originally Posted by Arlyn View Post
I just moved from Utah, part of the re-licensing process for new residents owning a 4wd bought out of state is to completely dismantle the drive train, axels and hubs and inspect them.
This is all part of their emissions testing process, I'd call that more stringent.
Only because CA doesn't have any regular inspection program--for cars. They are the most hated DOT in the country, when it comes to trucks. The strictest state that I know on cars is PA.

The info given about disassembling a vehicle is, as far as I can determine from this site -- Utah Vehicle Registration -- incorrect. And only 4 counties (the most populous ones) have emissions testing at all.

Geologically speaking, California is always "breaking off." Much of the western part of the state is on a separate plate from the remainder (and the rest of the U.S.) and is slowing moving north.
post #27 of 31
Thank you for reminding me, I will need to get an Emissions (Smog) test this month.
post #28 of 31
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Originally Posted by JuneBugBear07 View Post
As for the earthquake issue....um not too sure but there was a movie, 10.0 or something where the earthquake cut off like LA area or w/e, it was supposed to be about the rumor of how Cali may become an island lmao. ANYTHING is possible!!
I saw parts of that movie, it's pretty entertaining.

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Originally Posted by RubSluts'Mommy View Post
Well, I was kinda being humorous there... but God knows CA has enough fault lines... I'm waiting for the next one to roll along my own town's fault. We haven't had one over 4.0 in many years...

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Geologically speaking, California is always "breaking off." Much of the western part of the state is on a separate plate from the remainder (and the rest of the U.S.) and is slowing moving north.
I caught that RubSluts'Mommy was being facetious . I have heard people say, quite earnestly, that we're going to break off (unlike what mrblanche is referring to, which is true), completely detaching from the rest of the continent, and sink into the ocean. Anyhow, sorry for the thread hijack.

I still think that I'm not crazy. Banning black cars... yes, that's crazy.
post #29 of 31
LOL this is funny. CA is silly. Today I was listening to the radio ( a comedy talk show) and they had a fake Arnold on, saying that not only cars but black people are now forbidden from driving because they attract too much heat and that black people will be required to wear white clothes ...However, if they have two white friends who are willing to ride with them, then they can because it evens it out..I was cracking up!!!
Oh and they cannot tint in black, that's banned too
Here is the link to it ITS SO FUNNY!! You will laugh I promise
http://www.atlantasrockstation.com/p..._11_arnold.mp3
post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
considering banning black as a color available on cars sold in CA. They have since said they don't currently have that in mind
Ummm, what was the rational for wanting to ban black coloured cars?

So far as the tire pressure goes, why not? If it will help save on fuel costs and green house gases etc, I'm all for it.

EDIT: I did a google search about the banning of black cars. That was never even considered. Here is an article dispelling that rumour.

http://www.news10.net/news/local/sto...?storyid=56925
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