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Originally Posted by tweetykiss

Sorry, I hope I did not insult you. Have you had dobies? No, I am not mad at anyone and never was. I am not even mad at the writer but I was very hurt by her.

When my husband was growing up they always had two dobies and pure bred. The parents paid a huge amount of money for them and breeded them and sold them. Now they just have a girl dobie. I have not heard her bark at any time we have been there but when I am in the same room with her, I have to ask someone to be there and watch me. My husband wanted a miniature pincher but I said no.

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I own Dobermans and grew up with them and come in contact with many Dobermans in various places, clubs, and shows, they are good dogs. I don't appreciate the comments that they are "killer" dogs. It is like people who say they hate cats, because their only crime is being a cat.
Did you know they fought in the war and helped our country with their very lives? Did you know they do Search and Rescue and were at bomb sites, recovering victims? Did you know they also find lost people with Search and Rescue? Did you know Dobermans are guide dogs for the blind? They are also service animals, helping people live better and more independent lives. And did you know Dobermans are therapy dogs, visiting hospitals and nursing homes? I know a Doberman that helps children with learning disabilities learn to read in a classroom, he has been doing it for years and helped many children. They make great companions, family dogs, and show dogs.
So please don't label them as "killer" dogs. They have helped our society and continue to help our society in many meaningful ways.

Originally Posted by tweetykiss

Sorry, I hope I did not insult you. Have you had dobies? No, I am not mad at anyone and never was. I am not even mad at the writer but I was very hurt by her.

When my husband was growing up they always had two dobies and pure bred. The parents paid a huge amount of money for them and breeded them and sold them. Now they just have a girl dobie. I have not heard her bark at any time we have been there but when I am in the same room with her, I have to ask someone to be there and watch me. My husband wanted a miniature pincher but I said no.

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I've never had a dobie but I do love them to pieces! I work with a few that are total sweet hearts! But I am more of a Great Dane person and I know how much those scare people too and I am all for education people on the fact that all dog breeds are different, have different personalities, need loving homes, and that they do not deserve the stereotypes that have been given to them by bad owners and bad media.
I know how you feel on being nervous around certain breeds though and its only natural. But hopefully you will become more comfortable around them.

Originally Posted by tweetykiss

I am very terrified of dobies. They are killer dogs. I am afraid of dogs except for toys and teacups.

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Originally Posted by calico2222

There's nothing wrong with being afraid of a big dog, or a certain breed. If you're not used to them, then sometimes the imagination takes over, especially when you are looking at BIG jaws!

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It doesn't help that so many other people believe the same thing that you do and regard it as common knowledge. But I can totally understand your hesitance if it was a "fact" you grew up with or maybe had a bad experience or witnessed one? Only heard the horror stories?

My fear comes from bad experiences. The only dogs I've ever been bitten by (and a lot!) are the smaller ones. It's really hard for me to pet them without replaying every single violent encounter I've had with other dogs their size. So the bigger the dog, the more comfortable I am.. I know it sounds completely backwards! But it's exactly why I have a 150 lb. dog instead. It is also very disappointing that I can't walk Kita down the street without parents rushing their kids inside before we pass their house.

She looks so ferocious. Especially with that bow in her fur.

Originally Posted by kittybernard

It doesn't help that so many other people believe the same thing that you do and regard it as common knowledge.

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Since you quoted me, I'm assuming the "so many other people" includes me. I don't think anywhere in my post I said anything about a certain breed being a "killer dog". I simply stated that there are some breeds I'm not comfortable around also and it's a personal hangup of mine. The one Rottie I know personally is a big sweet heart and I love him to pieces, but I still wouldn't go up to a strange Rottie on the street and try to give him lovins. As someone else said, it is usually the owner that makes bad dogs.

My best friend hates any kind of big dog, she is terrified of them. And I respect that. She doesn't single out a specific breed, it's just anything bigger than a groundhog. So, when she comes over the big dogs are put outside and she comes in the back door. Just their barking will scare her. I don't know the story behind it. I don't think she does either, or if she does she isn't sharing.

Anyway, I just felt like I should explain myself here.

I don't have dogs but grew up with Collie's. I love all dogs but I am nervous of some dogs.

Doberman's and the bad reputation they have remind me of the Siamese cat and their bad reputation. Yes, there are nasty Siamese but there are nasty (insert any other breed/moggie) cats as well. Dobermans are often used as guard dogs and I think that's one of the reasons they get the bad rap. It's very unfair and I understand how you feel because when someone says something about how nasty Siamese are, I get really miffed. Unless you've had one yourself you have no idea how sweet and affectionate they really are. I love most dogs and have a special soft spot for Huskies.

I'm personally more wary of little yappy dogs. I'm one of those folks that will want to pet your dog but will ask you first. I think I know most of the dogs in our neighbourhood and they know me. At our last house one of the neighbour dogs would come sit beside me on my front porch any time I happened to go outside in the summer and the dog across the street would bark when he saw me outside until his owner would let him out to run over to our house. My neighbours have said I must have some kind of aura around me that dogs like.

Ok, I see it was wrong of me to label certain breeds of dogs as killer dogs and I have to admit it is a habit of mine since I say all of this to my own husband (who has been around dobies most of his life as I stated in another post on this thread) and he lets me have my own opinion. It is like I don't like the fact that my MIL taught all her kids that "cats see the devil" and that taught all her kids to be cat haters. My husband claims to love Avalon but sometimes I wonder. I don't mind the discipline he gives her though when Avalon bites him. I know know no one will appreciate the biting. My husband does not abuse her though. Avalon mainly comes to me for loving though.

Ok, I feel I can reveal some bad experiences that happened to others I know. My former neighbor when I lived before (there was a house next door to out apartment building and they had roties). Anyway, my neighbor who lived below me was just walking in front of the house (on the sidewalk and not on their property) got attacked by two roties and if she was not obese she might have died. She was hospitalized and the owners of the roties paid her medical bills. She did not sue them like I would have. I don't think back then this state had laws that dog owners do jail time for dog attacks.

Ok, this is a two parter since I didn't want my post too long.

Another dog attack story. My uncle (younger than me and I hardly knew him since he grew up in another country and I only spent two days with him when I was seven years old). When I was eleven years old, my dad got a letter from his father back in the old country that my uncle died from a dog bite by a german shepard. Now I don't quite remember all the details since it could have been he was allergic to pennicilin and had an anyalphylatic shock or it was just the bite itself.

Now this guy we use to do odd jobs since my husband is not well and cannot help me, I once went there to pick this guy up and as soon as I was coming close to the door there was this huge dog with huge teeth coming to the window and growling at me so I went back to the car and used my cell to phone this guy. I am glad this guy was just a couple doors down and when I asked him what kind of dog was it. He said Huskie.

I also You Tubed dogs and it stated what are the ten most dangerous dogs (now I am not stating my opinion in this sentence but just saying what I saw on YouTube), Pitbull, dobies, german shepards, labs, chow dogs, great danes, roties, and huskies were all included in there. Other dogs were listed but I don't remember the names since I am not familiar with them.

I read on a miniature dog site (yeah I don't understand what I was doing there and why I was there since I am not a dog lover) but what I read was that a woman was killed by her own chow dog. Then I also read that a chiwawa aimed for the jugular vien on their owner. So I see that small dogs too are not always nice.

Now I have heard of small dogs biting too. One time, I used to babysit on weekends for this three year old whose family had two schitzus. One was a girl dog and the other a male dog. I was only in my teens back then and one time I was playing rough with the male dog and he bit me on the chin. It didn't really hurt that bad and my skin was not torn. I know I was asking for it.

Back when I was a Christian, I was active in that church and our minister (whom we were close to back then but he is not there no more) had a small chinese dog as well but I forget the breed. Cutest little thing. He had to take it back since she bit his son and once attempted to attack the minister. I guess some incident happened at the shelter since she was at some point put to sleep.

Originally Posted by sarahp

Well, I think after all these messages you can agree that nobody is ignoring your questions

I'd say with your HHA question, that since it was at the end of someone else's thread, that nobody else saw it who knew how to answer

And with regard to your first question - I'd be weirded out if someone I didn't know called me at home telling me about their cat too

If you did it on The Cat Site, I'd read all about it, because I'm here actively looking for fun cat photos and stories. I guess that's the difference.

Either way, sorry the conversation with her ended rudely!

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Yes, I appreciate it that everyone here is responding to me. I do see your point about my HHA question and especially that the fact that I hijacked that thread.

Are you saying if that writer was on this site, she would not have minded my cat stories and photos?

I am still very new here as you see I am a "Young Cat" and don't have many posts. Reason being that I am not sure if I should post about Avalon and ask for advice since I cannot answer other people's question on their cats and give them advice. This is my first cat and I cannot answer any questions on behavior problems and problems with the litter box as well as what to feed them. Therefore I don't think it is fair that I ask questions and for advice for Avalon. I mean this is all supposed to be a two way street.

I am not sure that I should post my YouTube link on Avalon since there have been only 10 views and those were all mine. I mean that many go to YouTube as a hang out and they never clicked on my video so I am interpreting it as no one is interested.

Originally Posted by tweetykiss

I also You Tubed dogs and it stated what are the ten most dangerous dogs (now I am not stating my opinion in this sentence but just saying what I saw on YouTube), Pitbull, dobies, german shepards, labs, chow dogs, great danes, roties, and huskies were all included in there. Other dogs were listed but I don't remember the names since I am not familiar with them.

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I'm not an expert on dog breeds, but I don't think I'd trust YouTube for statistical evidence about anything. Anyone can post anything on there, it doesn't make it true.

Originally Posted by tweetykiss

I am not sure that I should post my YouTube link on Avalon since there have been only 10 views and those were all mine. I mean that many go to YouTube as a hang out and they never clicked on my video so I am interpreting it as no one is interested.

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I think people on TCS may be interested in viewing Avalon's video. But if you don't post the link, that pretty much guarantees that no one will view it!

Originally Posted by cococat

I own Dobermans and grew up with them and come in contact with many Dobermans in various places, clubs, and shows, they are good dogs. I don't appreciate the comments that they are "killer" dogs.

It is like people who say they hate cats, because their only crime is being a cat.
Did you know they fought in the war and helped our country with their very lives? Did you know they do Search and Rescue and were at bomb sites, recovering victims? Did you know they also find lost people with Search and Rescue? Did you know Dobermans are guide dogs for the blind? They are also service animals, helping people live better and more independent lives. And did you know Dobermans are therapy dogs, visiting hospitals and nursing homes? I know a Doberman that helps children with learning disabilities learn to read in a classroom, he has been doing it for years and helped many children. They make great companions, family dogs, and show dogs.
So please don't label them as "killer" dogs. They have helped our society and continue to help our society in many meaningful ways.

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Sorry I insulted you. I tend not to take it too personal that some are cat haters because of the fact of what my MIL taught her kids about cats. So I am used to it. That does not make it right though.

I guess this is the animal equivalence for racism. I don't know. But please accept my apology.

Originally Posted by NinaCaliente

I'm not an expert on dog breeds, but I don't think I'd trust YouTube for statistical evidence about anything. Anyone can post anything on there, it doesn't make it true.



I think people on TCS may be interested in viewing Avalon's video. But if you don't post the link, that pretty much guarantees that no one will view it! ;)

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Ok, I guess this is the equivalence of the fact that if I own a business and don't advertise, no one will come. Sorry to ask not so smart questions but since I am a newbie and my video of Avalon is the first YouTube I uploaded. (I have been mostly a watcher there and never uploaded anything till now so I don't know how that end works.) This is also my cat so this is all very new to me.

Originally Posted by tweetykiss

I am still very new here as you see I am a "Young Cat" and don't have many posts. Reason being that I am not sure if I should post about Avalon and ask for advice since I cannot answer other people's question on their cats and give them advice. This is my first cat and I cannot answer any questions on behavior problems and problems with the litter box as well as what to feed them. Therefore I don't think it is fair that I ask questions and for advice for Avalon. I mean this is all supposed to be a two way street.

I am not sure that I should post my YouTube link on Avalon since there have been only 10 views and those were all mine. I mean that many go to YouTube as a hang out and they never clicked on my video so I am interpreting it as no one is interested.

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Just let me say that as a "young cat" who just got her first cat, none of us would expect you to know a lot or be able to answer any questions for other members. The whole idea is for new members who want answers and information about their cats to ask as many questions as they want to learn from the older members and members who have had multiple cats, do rescue, work in shelters and have a lot of combined experience and knowledge. Just for the record, as a new member who has only just got her first cat, we probably would not expect you to give out advice or assistance.

That is one of the main purposes of TCS - to teach people about the beautiful cats in their lives and how to make them healthy, happy and live long and loving lives and the way to teach people is by having them ask questions that we, as a collective community with folks who have knowledge in specialized areas, answer those questions. So ask away. No question is a stupid or useless question if you do not know the answer.

As for YouTube, I'm not sure how many of us actually go visit anyone's YouTube account - I know I rarely go to YouTube unless my daughter points me to a specific one. I don't think that means we are not interested in your cat. We have a lovely forum here for Fur Pictures and most of our members have used that means to post pictures of their cats and the members here often visit that forum. I know I visit and look at the cats and have actually posted that although I don't necessarily comment on the cats, I do enjoy looking at them when I have the extra time. Just because I don't post a reply saying "your cat is beautiful" doesn't mean I don't look at your cat or that I don't think it is beautiful, it just means I don't have a lot of time and by the time I do mod duties I just quickly go through as many threads as I can to see as many kitties as I can in the time I have left.

Originally Posted by calico2222

Since you quoted me, I'm assuming the "so many other people" includes me. I don't think anywhere in my post I said anything about a certain breed being a "killer dog".

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No, no, no.. I wasn't directing that to/including you in that at all; rather referring to those who exacerbate the problem by fueling the myth as a fact (that there are so many inherently violent dog breeds). It was a good and understanding point you made in response that I wanted to highlight and expand upon with my own fear of certain dogs.

Probably should have placed that quote differently, but this entire thread has been one huge steaming pile of miscommunication so far- why break the mold?

Originally Posted by kittybernard

but this entire thread has been one huge steaming pile of miscommunication so far- why break the mold?

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LOL, ain't that the truth! Sorry, I was still working on my first cup of coffee when I read it, and I just took it the wrong way.

Originally Posted by tweetykiss

Are you saying if that writer was on this site, she would not have minded my cat stories and photos?

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Yep, that's what I'm saying Calling someone at home is kind of personal, putting something on a website is a public thing which people can choose to read or not.

As for the YouTube videos - I don't often click on the YouTube links, I prefer photos that are posted directly in the thread. Same with people posting links to photos in a thread. I am too lazy to go clicking through all the links... That's my preference, and I guess others are the same.

And yes - people will post on your threads more, and look at your photos and videos more as we get to know you. I don't read every single thread, but I try to look at the threads with photos of cats/people I know better, and then I also look at ones with titles that sound cute/fun. There's not enough hours in the day to look at every single thread.

And please do feel free to ask questions in the other boards about health, nutrition, behaviour etc. There's a lot of knowledgeable people here who will help if they can.

Originally Posted by tweetykiss

My husband wanted a miniature pincher but I said no.

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I'm curious why you said that. Is it because they remind you of dobies? Lol they are totally different...
ETA: I actually tried to find Avalon's video on youtube but I couldn't: is your youtube username different than TCS one? What should I type to search for it?

My You Tube account name is Tweetykiss78. My husband is the one who told me that miniature pinchers are just like dobies only they stay little.

I did get all the nutrition info from Petsmart the first time I shopped there. They told me what to feed her and the toys I should buy.

Right now Avalon is sick from side effects from the vaccines she got yesterday. Yesterday's visit from the doctor was very stressful for her including the car ride since she whines in the car. They also took her temp and we know that is painful for a cat.

Avalon has been through a lot. I got her at three months old and her identical twin was still with her when my husband's girlfriend brought over two kittens for me to choose from. I took the cuter one and named her Avalon. Those two played for a long time when they were here so I know they had formed a special bond during the three months. After they took her identical twin back. Avalon started whining and crying. This went on for a couple days. I can understand she had the trauma of being separated from her identical twin.

Then I get the canary and it is a whole new sound and pet. She had her natural instincts to prey on him and I kept a close watch to make sure she does not get to the bird cage. I also used cat repellents to keep her away from the bird.

Then not to mention that we had to show her there are rules in this house like don't jump on tables and not to chew on electrical cords. We keep our rugs and floors very clean so that Avalon does not pick up anything and swallow it. I try to keep her happy with toys and cat treats (moist food that have fish meant for cats to eat). Otherwise she eats dry food.

Originally Posted by tweetykiss

My You Tube account name is Tweetykiss78. My husband is the one who told me that miniature pinchers are just like dobies only they stay little.

I did get all the nutrition info from Petsmart the first time I shopped there. They told me what to feed her and the toys I should buy.

Right now Avalon is sick from side effects from the vaccines she got yesterday. Yesterday's visit from the doctor was very stressful for her including the car ride since she whines in the car. They also took her temp and we know that is painful for a cat.

Avalon has been through a lot. I got her at three months old and her identical twin was still with her when my husband's girlfriend brought over two kittens for me to choose from. I took the cuter one and named her Avalon. Those two played for a long time when they were here so I know they had formed a special bond during the three months. After they took her identical twin back. Avalon started whining and crying. This went on for a couple days. I can understand she had the trauma of being separated from her identical twin.

Then I get the canary and it is a whole new sound and pet. She had her natural instincts to prey on him and I kept a close watch to make sure she does not get to the bird cage. I also used cat repellents to keep her away from the bird.

Then not to mention that we had to show her there are rules in this house like don't jump on tables and not to chew on electrical cords. We keep our rugs and floors very clean so that Avalon does not pick up anything and swallow it. I try to keep her happy with toys and cat treats (moist food that have fish meant for cats to eat). Otherwise she eats dry food.

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Please look around the nutrition, health and behaviour forums. There is a lot of mercury in fish these days so fish heavy foods are not recommended as a large part of any cats diet. Wet food is actually healthier than dry food for cats but most of us still feed a bit of dry food for "snacking" on through the day/night.

What kind of cat repellents do you use to keep her away from the bird? Are they safe for cats?

Taking a cat's temperature should not be painful - uncomfortable yes, but certainly not painful.

What food did PetSmart recommend. Often vets and folks who work in pet food stores are not always as knowledgeable as we would hope for. Again, please check out the nutrition forum. Our resident guru, Sharky, has lots of wonderful information on the best foods for the best price.

You will learn a lot about cats here at TCS, best ways to ensure good health, information on good foods, and behaviour of your cat and how to deal with them.

Yosemite,

Petsmart recommended SpaSelect as the dry food to use. They were a little negative about giving wet food on a regular basis and then I see if we keep giving it to Avalon, it gets expensive. That is why I only use it as cat treats. The first bag of dry food I bought Avalon last already lasted six weeks and it is not finished yet.

I guess I meant to say that the thermometer was uncomfortable since I cannot look in her mind and say she was in pain. My mistake.

Avalon is really a good cat. She is also not going after Sanjay (our canary) anymore. But that does not mean that when we are not home that both are out in the same room together. I think she learned that the birdcage is off limits to her.

Hehe, I found Avalon's video, and she is GORGEOUS!! Her coloring is so unique! She's a tabby, but with orange stripes on one leg and grey stripes on the other...so she isn't an orange tabby or a grey tabby....is there such a thing as a tortie tabbie?? She is adorable!