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post #31 of 43
I did a google search and found this info about leaving wet food out....
this info might be a place to start.
I would error on the side of caution...
you do not want a case of food poisoning on your hands.
http://cats.about.com/od/catfoodfaqs...cannedfood.htm
post #32 of 43
A lot of people on TCS have asked the same question about how long to leave wet food out. The answer from other TCS members varies anywhere from 20 minutes to 12 hours. The best I can tell you is, do your own research and then do what is the most comfortable for you. I don't leave wet food out more than 10 minutes most of the time, max 15 minutes--but that's just because my kitties eat it up in that amount of time.
post #33 of 43
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whoa.... from the article xocats posted, I'm leaving it out way too long for him.

Ally isn't a problem because when I do give her wet food, she eats it right up, but she prefers dry food by far.

I'll divide up Ollie's food into 1/4s of a can and let him eat those one at a time so that I don't risk bacterial or mold growth. I wouldn't have thought it would only be 20 minutes. Wow.. I learned something and it's a good thing I learned it before something bad happened.

My dog is fed 2 times a day and we've been leaving his food out until he finishes it for years (he's 17). His food sits out for hours and he's never gotten ill, so I guess I just extrapolated from that the notion that pet food could be left out for a little while safely.
post #34 of 43
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Originally Posted by LawGuy View Post
whoa.... from the article xocats posted, I'm leaving it out way too long for him.

Ally isn't a problem because when I do give her wet food, she eats it right up, but she prefers dry food by far.

I'll divide up Ollie's food into 1/4s of a can and let him eat those one at a time so that I don't risk bacterial or mold growth. I wouldn't have thought it would only be 20 minutes. Wow.. I learned something and it's a good thing I learned it before something bad happened.

My dog is fed 2 times a day and we've been leaving his food out until he finishes it for years (he's 17). His food sits out for hours and he's never gotten ill, so I guess I just extrapolated from that the notion that pet food could be left out for a little while safely.
No need to worry- many many people leave an entire can out for up to like 12 hours and never have problems..Someone even posted that their vet does that. The justification was that cats are way more tolerant of parasites than humans. If you look at the stuff they eat in the wild, a lot of times it's much worse than food that's been left in the open air for a few extra hours and whatever grows in it from the air is very unlikely to cause problems. And it doesn't for many people. But it's a good thing you're going to divide it into smaller portions because with Ollie already having a URI and being on antibiotic that kills the good bacteria in his stomach, it might be more risky...
post #35 of 43
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agreed. Does doxycycline kill the good bacteria too? If so, that's a shame and I would imagine I should expect diarrhea any day now.

If that's the case, do people ever use probiotics afterwards that are the kitty equivalent to the Flora-Q sold for us (Flora-Q has Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium, Lactobacillus paracasei, and Streptococcus thermophilus) ? I suppose even if they do, then that could cause an overgrowth which would need treatment by a targeted, non-systemic antibiotic like rifaximin.

Also, Ollie just got his antibiotics, but ate half a can in one sitting beforehand, and the other half afterwards in one sitting. That's 3 cans of Wellness kitten food today. He really seems to like that food. I figured since he seems to like Wellness more than any others, I'll just feed him that for the moment to keep it simple for his digestive tract. I also left out a bowl of the Wellness kitten dry food in case he decides to try it, but so far he won't eat dry food. He didn't eat the Purina one food the humane society gave me and doesn't seem interested in the Wellness dry food either - but I figured I should leave some out for him just in case.
post #36 of 43
YES, all antibiotics kill both good and bad bacteria

probiotics are great AFTER the antibiotics are done
post #37 of 43
Thread Starter 
10-4 on possible usage after the antibiotics are done.

The only area of medicine I know a lot about is digestive and intestinal issues (being the son of a Gastroenterologist and having Crohns since I was 14).

Usually what happens with me is that I go on antibiotics for an infection. Then, if I notice that too much bacteria has been killed, I go on probiotics. Then, if I notice that there has been too much growth, I go on Xifaxin or a similar non-systemic drug.
post #38 of 43
Wow, I've never had to do anything besides eat some yogurt after taking an antibiotic...Do you take probiotics because of Crohns'???
Eating a lot like you said Ollie did today usually does result in softer poops but it's not a problem and clears up on its own, so if you see it happening don't panic I've panicked so many times when that happened with Jake lol but someone on here usually always reassures me that it's normal after overeating in kittens.
post #39 of 43
i used bene-bac for Java when i first got her - she had an intestinal bacterial overgrowth that took 2 rounds of antibiotics to get rid of [thankfully, got rid of her diarrhea & gas, too]. the diarrhea left, but she still had soft poo - i gave her the bene-bac & it was taken care of! i got mine at Petco, i think...
post #40 of 43
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Do you take probiotics because of Crohns'???
Yeah. Unfortunately, things are a little whacky with my digestive tract as a result of having Crohns. No worries, I've gotten used to it. I pretty much know the procedure when stuff starts to happen.

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Eating a lot like you said Ollie did today usually does result in softer poops but it's not a problem and clears up on its own, so if you see it happening don't panic I've panicked so many times when that happened with Jake lol but someone on here usually always reassures me that it's normal after overeating in kittens.
I've been checking. All solid so far, but we'll see. I was just down there (it's almost 3 AM) and everything seemed fine. He wanted some hugs and snuggling, and then he was happy. He also ate a bit more while I was down there.
post #41 of 43
We had a problem with Punkin when we brought him home from the shelter. He was a fussy eater, and I don't think he ate much at the shelter. It took a while to find a food he liked. I had a bushel basket full of bags of food we had tried and rejected.
post #42 of 43
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Where did you find the Lysine Plus soft chews? I called the vet that Ally goes to and the vet that Ollie goes to (I assume in a couple of weeks I'll have them both at the same vet). They each had a different Lysine product. One was a gel and the other a paste and they both had different additional ingredients and were pretty pricey too (which isn't too much of a problem, I just don't want to buy it and have it be a total waste by her not taking it). I didn't know anything about either product. I'd rather try something somebody else has had success with. Any idea where I can find them locally? Also, are they safe for kittens? I went to Walmart and found 500 mg pills that I could crush up, but I didn't know what the safe and proper dosage would be for Ally.

I ordered the Lysine soft chews from the website 'Entirely Pets'. They are safe for kittens, the package has a kitten dosage on it.

The lysine I used before I found the soft chews was lysine capsules for humans. With capsules you don't have to crush it, you just open the capsules and dump out the powder. When I started it with Church he was 6-7 weeks old and weighed 20 oz. and my vet told me to use about 1/8th to 1/4th of a capsule twice a day. The capsules were 500mg which my vet said is the dose for an adult cat (2x a day.) She also recommended colostrum (to boost the immune system) which I also found in capsule form at a health food store and she told me to give the same dosage as the lysine.
post #43 of 43
hi..wonder what it is about shelter cats and food issues? My Autumn was super skinny when I brought her home as well. IDK if she was not eating of if her brother who was also in hte cage was eating everthing. Any way, when she 1st cam ehome she didn't eat to much and drank a WOLE lot also, I figured it was the anethiesa(sp?) wearing off. But after a few days she started eating normaly. I fed her dry plus also wet food and tuna to get her weight up. Hope your little guy starts eating better.
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