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I will always love this man.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19524.html

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“If it seems like I’m angry, it’s because I am,†McCain said, taking the White House to task for treating the bill as leftover business — and not subject to the full measure of earmark reform promised by candidate Obama.

“Last year’s business?†McCain asked, incredulous. “The president will sign this appropriations bill into law. It is the president’s business. It is the president of the United States’ business. It is the president of the United States’ business to do what he said — stated — when we were in debate seeking the support of the American people — where he said he would work to eliminate earmarks.â€

“We need earmark reform and when I’m president, I will go line by line to make sure we’re not spending money unwisely,†McCain said, reading back Obama’s words at a debate last fall. “That’s the quote, the promise of the president of the United States made to the American people in a debate with me in Oxford, Miss. So what is brought to the floor today — 9,000 earmarks.…So much for change.â€
Oh, it is change all right, the remaking of America into the new United Socialist States of America.
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I will always love this man.
Me too. I'm glad he's decided to run for reelection.
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Gee, only 100+ days into the new presidency & the sky is already falling.
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United Socialist States of America.
Hey - I saw that saying in a poster on a republican blog. Is that the latest propaganda message that is being promoted? That along with the whining about earmarks?

I'd like someone on the republican side to state specifically what they would spend in a stimulus bill. And I'd like to hear some other recommendation than tax cuts from that bunch, as its obvious that after the Bush ear, that strategy only put the country into a deep recession.

It's easier to criticize than to come up with answers.
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There isn't really anything that Government can do that will be of much help. The market is going to do what the market does. And, most of our representatives know that I'm sure. But, I can see why they want to at least appear to be doing something. None of them want to be branded as a "Nero", one that "fiddled as Rome burned".

FYI...there were no "fiddles" in Rome during Nero's time.
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McCain's statements were actually about the budget, not the stimulus package, and Obama's statement that it was put together last year so he'll just sign it instead of going though it "line by line" to eliminate the earmarks (I presume to send an alternate version back to Congress) like he promised multiple times during the election. I suppose since a bunch of the earmarks were actually proposed by him and his now administration, he doesn't want to cut those.

I realize that you're talking about GOP politicians in regard to the Stimulus package, and I presume that you do realize that they were asked during the writing of the bill and utterly ignored. Their suggestions weren't to only give tax breaks, but to include more than the paltry $400 over 1 year for the 95% of Americans that was actually included. But once again, this wasn't even about the so-called stimulus, but the budget.
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During the debate when John McCain held up his "old" pen and said he would use it to eliminate wasteful spending, I believed him. I still believe him.

I'm not sure what kind of stimulus I would write. Instead of handing a check to Ford and GM, I might suggest they take a look at how Toyota is trying to keep all their employees on the job during the downturn. According to a program I watched a couple nights ago, their workers took a ten percent paycut, no raises or bonuses. Twenty percent paycut for supervisory staff, 30 percent up top. Everyone shares the pain, tightens their belt and keeps their job. Hopefully I got all the info right.

I would not reward stupidity. If you went into a home with nothing down and then couldn't or wouldn't make the payments because your equity all went down the toilet, tough...rent. If you refinanced every time you had a dollars worth of equity to buy junk, your problem, not everyone else's.

I'm still working on how I'd handle that bank thing. One things for sure, not everyone would qualify for a loan with me signing the checks.
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
During the debate when John McCain held up his "old" pen and said he would use it to eliminate wasteful spending, I believed him. I still believe him.

I'm not sure what kind of stimulus I would write. Instead of handing a check to Ford and GM, I might suggest they take a look at how Toyota is trying to keep all their employees on the job during the downturn. According to a program I watched a couple nights ago, their workers took a ten percent paycut, no raises or bonuses. Twenty percent paycut for supervisory staff, 30 percent up top. Everyone shares the pain, tightens their belt and keeps their job. Hopefully I got all the info right.

I would not reward stupidity. If you went into a home with nothing down and then couldn't or wouldn't make the payments because your equity all went down the toilet, tough...rent. If you refinanced every time you had a dollars worth of equity to buy junk, your problem, not everyone else's.

I'm still working on how I'd handle that bank thing. One things for sure, not everyone would qualify for a loan with me signing the checks.
It seems to me the folks at GM, Ford and Chrysler would prefer to be out of work than take a pay cut like the good folks at Toyota did. Once they lose their job though, I cannot imagine how they are going to cope with the wages the rest of us are and have been getting instead of the high wages they were used to. Their unions are crippling companies and yet they cling to them. I honestly don't feel sorry for any of them. Let them try living on regular wages at other jobs (if they can even get another job).

I agree also about the down payment issue. If you can't afford to save enough money for a down payment on a house, then you can't afford the house and nobody should loan you the money for it. I don't know of any bank in Canada that would allow you to buy a house with no down payment - that is just ridiculous. That might also explain why I've been hearing on CBC the last few days that our banks are in better shape than anywhere else at the moment. Maybe there is something to be said for being conservative - it helps when times get lean and tough.
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Great posts. Yosemite, I like it when we agree.
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Great posts. Yosemite, I like it when we agree.
It is nice isn't it!
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God how I wish McCain was our president right now, not Mr. Big spender Speaking about this stupid stimulus bill, I don't think many people who support it, realize just how big a number, 800 billion is. Did you know, if we start at lets say, 2000 years ago and if you spent 1 million dollars per day for those 2000 years, you would not have yet spent as much money as Obama did signing this bill into law. No matter what he or anyone else does, this country will never be able to pay that back.
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
God how I wish McCain was our president right now, not Mr. Big spender Speaking about this stupid stimulus bill, I don't think many people who support it, realize just how big a number, 800 billion is. Did you know, if we start at lets say, 2000 years ago and if you spent 1 million dollars per day for those 2000 years, you would not have yet spent as much money as Obama did signing this bill into law. No matter what he or anyone else does, this country will never be able to pay that back.
Don't forget that only 25 years or so ago a million dollars was a lot of money - not today. Today that would only buy me maybe 3 regular middle-class houses in the Toronto area and probably only 1+ in Toronto itself. That's not much money anymore.
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Don't forget that only 25 years or so ago a million dollars was a lot of money - not today. Today that would only buy me maybe 3 regular middle-class houses in the Toronto area and probably only 1+ in Toronto itself. That's not much money anymore.
I'll take that million any day. My cats would have an acre sized enclosure each
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