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Sheriff Joe Under Fire

post #1 of 104
2/28/09 at 8:35pm
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For enforcing the law.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/ph...OXPV9zIew.cspx
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post #2 of 104
3/1/09 at 8:18am
The former Governor needs to shut up and do her new job in Washington.
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post #3 of 104
3/1/09 at 11:34am
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Do you have any links to a more informative article? That one was somewhat scrimpy.
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post #4 of 104
3/1/09 at 12:08pm
Sheriff Joe is always in the news here, he's pretty controversial, and rather imaginative, but he is getting the job done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

I think most are rather upset (rightly so) by his use of profiling.
Here are news stories from both right, and left viewpoints.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2009/2/13/2842/87649
http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2...heriff_joe.php
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post #5 of 104
3/1/09 at 2:37pm
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I wish Sheriffs all over this country were more like him. I think inmates need to be out there on chain gangs working hard
12 to 14 hours a day.
I believe they should have NO creature comforts. It is called punishment.

I don't think he is profiling, I think he is catching bad guys, all of them, regardless of nationality or color.
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post #6 of 104
3/1/09 at 11:40pm
Sheriff Joe is a nut , and most of the time a good one
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post #7 of 104
3/3/09 at 10:36am
Sheriff Joe is great sensationalism fodder.... his practices have cost the county over $43 million dollars & counting.... in 2003, over 80% of his dept.'s arrests in a prostitution round-up had the cases thrown out because the deputies fondled the prostitutes' genitalia & allowed certain sexual behaviors upon the deputies' sex organs, because "the deputies didn't want the prostitutes to think they were cops"
.....yet at a recall, 65% of the population voted to keep ol' Joe...And we wonder why shows such as Jerry Springer's can be so successful!! ....the rest of the world must be laughing
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post #8 of 104
3/3/09 at 10:51am
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Sheriff Joe is great sensationalism fodder.... his practices have cost the county over $43 million dollars & counting.... in 2003, over 80% of his dept.'s arrests in a prostitution round-up had the cases thrown out because the deputies fondled the prostitutes' genitalia & allowed certain sexual behaviors upon the deputies' sex organs, because "the deputies didn't want the prostitutes to think they were cops"
.....yet at a recall, 65% of the population voted to keep ol' Joe...And we wonder why shows such as Jerry Springer's can be so successful!! ....the rest of the world must be laughing
I don't know anything about Sheriff Joe but if his antics are anything like those of the guests on Jerry Springer, he must be a laugh a minute. Talk about trash! I don't even know how anyone can even watch those shows. I made the mistake of tuning in once and I couldn't believe my eyes and ears.
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post #9 of 104
3/3/09 at 11:11am
Sheriff Joe for President!

I love him. His percentage of repeat offenders is very low, so that tells me he is doing something right. I know he saves money on food and housing! Jail shouldn't be a vacation resort.
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post #10 of 104
3/3/09 at 11:36am
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Sheriff Joe is great sensationalism fodder.... his practices have cost the county over $43 million dollars & counting.... in 2003, over 80% of his dept.'s arrests in a prostitution round-up had the cases thrown out because the deputies fondled the prostitutes' genitalia & allowed certain sexual behaviors upon the deputies' sex organs, because "the deputies didn't want the prostitutes to think they were cops"
.....yet at a recall, 65% of the population voted to keep ol' Joe...And we wonder why shows such as Jerry Springer's can be so successful!! ....the rest of the world must be laughing
Please provide me with some links to proof of the above, I would be very interested to read about it and, specifically, those stats you are quoting without back up links.
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post #11 of 104
3/3/09 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I don't know anything about Sheriff Joe but if his antics are anything like those of the guests on Jerry Springer, he must be a laugh a minute. Talk about trash! I don't even know how anyone can even watch those shows. I made the mistake of tuning in once and I couldn't believe my eyes and ears.
I don't believe we were talking about anything remotely resembling Jerry Springer, I thought we were talking about Sheriff Joe Arpaio, a sheriff that actually upholds the law.

Why anyone would think that is comparable to trashy people on Springer is confusing to me. Has it become trashy to uphold the law now?
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post #12 of 104
3/3/09 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
Sheriff Joe is great sensationalism fodder.... his practices have cost the county over $43 million dollars & counting.... in 2003, over 80% of his dept.'s arrests in a prostitution round-up had the cases thrown out because the deputies fondled the prostitutes' genitalia & allowed certain sexual behaviors upon the deputies' sex organs, because "the deputies didn't want the prostitutes to think they were cops"
.....yet at a recall, 65% of the population voted to keep ol' Joe...And we wonder why shows such as Jerry Springer's can be so successful!! ....the rest of the world must be laughing
I'm sure, "the rest of the world must be laughing", I am sure they ARE laughing at Sheriff Joe for upholding the law.
How dare he uphold the law and make prisoners actually WORK, what is he, a mad man or something?
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post #13 of 104
3/3/09 at 11:44am
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Sheriff Joe for President!

I love him. His percentage of repeat offenders is very low, so that tells me he is doing something right. I know he saves money on food and housing! Jail shouldn't be a vacation resort.
Great post



I dare say the good State of Arizona doesn't have near the financial problems of other states, like, say California for example. The State that believes in going easy on the poor, persecuted criminals.
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post #14 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:02pm
Arpaio: Touching during vice stings OK
Lawmakers Want Look at Sheriff in Arizona
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Members of Congress asked the Justice and Homeland Security Departments on Friday to investigate accusations that the sheriff who presides over the Phoenix metropolitan area has engaged in a pattern of racial profiling and other abuses against Latino residents.
Joe Arpaio has Cost Taxpayers $41 Million
U.S. Judge Orders Arizona Sheriff to Improve Jails
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., who has built a national reputation with his get-tough tactics, and county health officials have violated the Constitution by depriving jail inmates of adequate medical screening and care, feeding them unhealthy food and housing them in unsanitary conditions, a federal judge has ruled.

Sheriff Arpaio, whose jurisdiction over the Phoenix metropolitan area includes one of the country’s largest jail systems, must make a number of changes under an order issued Wednesday by Judge Neil V. Wake of Federal District Court in Phoenix.
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post #15 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:14pm
Makes me wonder what Obama could do with that $41 million. There is tough punishment and then there is abuse. This guy is a vigilante IMO.

Perhaps he needs to be subjected to some of his own punishment to see how he likes it.
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post #16 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:31pm
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Great post



I dare say the good State of Arizona doesn't have near the financial problems of other states, like, say California for example. The State that believes in going easy on the poor, persecuted criminals.
Yep, I'd gladly take on AZ's problems in exchange for CA's, especially if we can get Sheriff Joe!
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post #17 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:32pm
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http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetM...mn=sheriff_bio

Link above to Maricopa County Sheriff's Office website.

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In addition to these tough measures, the Sheriff has launched rehabilitative programs like “Hard Knocks High,†the only accredited high school under a Sheriff in an American jail, and ALPHA, an anti-substance-abuse program that has greatly reduced recidivism.
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As chief law enforcement officer for the county, Arpaio continues to reduce crime with hard-hitting enforcement methods. His deputies and detectives have solved several high-profile murder cases, including nine child murders. The posse, whose ranks have increased to 3,000 members under Arpaio, is the nation’s largest volunteer posse. Posse men and women help in search and rescue and other traditional police work as well as in special operations like rounding up deadbeat parents, fighting prostitution, patrolling malls during holidays,and investigating animal cruelty complaints. The posse’s contributions are invaluable and essentially free to taxpayers.
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No wonder Sheriff Arpaio has been profiled in over 2,000 U.S. and foreign newspapers, magazines, and TV news programs. His leadership and the excellent work of his staff have catapulted the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office into the ranks of elite law enforcement agencies.
Yeah, he sounds like a real laughing stock alright.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/arpaio.asp

http://www.sheriffjoe.org/

Oh, LOL, here is a link to what another poster alluded to, Sheriff Joe costing Phoenix 41 million. Here is why:http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-...o-s-rithmetic/

He is the most sued Sheriff in America because of his "inhumane conditons"
in the jails. Note to inmates: don't do the crime and you won't be in such an inhumane jail where you can't smoke ciggies, and have to only watch "G" rated movies.
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post #18 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:36pm
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Makes me wonder what Obama could do with that $41 million. There is tough punishment and then there is abuse. This guy is a vigilante IMO.

Perhaps he needs to be subjected to some of his own punishment to see how he likes it.
New York Times and Hispanic News? Could we find more liberal sources of "news?"

Interesting that they don't say how much Apaio has SAVED the taxpayers of AZ by putting the prisoners in tents, reducing the cost of new building, utilities, etc. Bet it exceeds whatever he may have cost them in legal fees.

Please, no more money for Obama! He's spent more in the last couple of months then in all of the 20th century.
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post #19 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:40pm
You folks can praise him all you want, but he's an abusive, sadistic man. I'm sure he has lots of folks lining up to be part of his posse just as the KKK had (and probably still have) folks lining up to join them.

Doesn't mean they aren't sick, prejudiced, biased and sadistic individuals.
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post #20 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Makes me wonder what Obama could do with that $41 million. There is tough punishment and then there is abuse. This guy is a vigilante IMO.

Perhaps he needs to be subjected to some of his own punishment to see how he likes it.

Name me one police department in any city in this country or anywhere that doesn't have any misdeeds by any officers ever. Just one, please.
But Arpaio's is supposed to be perfect? In a perfect world I guess.

How is he a vigilante? How? I don't understand how enforcing the law is vigilantism.

Perhaps he SHOULD be subjected to some of his own punishment IF he had committed a crime to be incarcerated for.

So, what some are saying here, seems to be, that we must molly coddle prisoners for fear of being sued. What a joke.
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post #21 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:48pm
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You folks can praise him all you want, but he's an abusive, sadistic man. I'm sure he has lots of folks lining up to be part of his posse just as the KKK had (and probably still have) folks lining up to join them.

Doesn't mean they aren't sick, prejudiced, biased and sadistic individuals.
Is enforcing the law abusive and sadistic now? Wow

The is ridiculous comparing our law enforcement to the KKK. Perhaps it would be better to just discharge all law enforcement and let the chips fall?

"Sick, prejudiced, biased and sadistic individuals" for enforcing the law, I got it now. At least you are consistent.
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post #22 of 104
3/3/09 at 12:53pm
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Is enforcing the law abusive and sadistic now? Wow

The is ridiculous comparing our law enforcement to the KKK. Perhaps it would be better to just discharge all law enforcement and let the chips fall?

"Sick, prejudiced, biased and sadistic individuals" for enforcing the law, I got it now. At least you are consistent.

I suppose "some" would call that enforcing the law - still abusive treatment IMO. That poor woman that lost her child after being beaten and then wasn't charged with anything. Ah well, I suppose she deserved it - she must have done something wrong, sometime.

As I said before - there is tough justice and there is abuse - this man has gone over to the dark side of abuse. I personally believe in tough justice and not allowing inmates that have been proven guilty of living a life of ease but I don't believe in abusing them and subjecting them to beatings, filthy accommodation and rotten food.

ETA: You are right - I am consistent. I try to be consistently humane to animals and people. I guess that makes me pretty dumb in some folks eyes but I can live with that.
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post #23 of 104
3/3/09 at 1:03pm
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I read this in the one of your links that you quoted about the ruling that was made last year that you left out.
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The ruling does not apply to inmates of the tent city, only to detainees awaiting trial in other facilities, who make up nearly two-thirds of the 10,000 inmates housed in the jails each day.
BTW, the tent cities are still there.


As far as the racial profiling is concerned, that is hilarious. If Sheriff Joe is cracking down on illegal immigrants and he is, would it not be fair to say that most would be from Mexico
due to Arizona's proximity and sharing a border with Mexico?
How in the world that could be construed as racial profiling and bigotry is beyond me. Perhaps someone could explain that to me.

As far as the vice stings and inappropriate touching of the prostitutes and all, I am sure those prostitutes are very law abiding, truthful people who would never lie about a police man.
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post #24 of 104
3/3/09 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I suppose "some" would call that enforcing the law - still abusive treatment IMO. That poor woman that lost her child after being beaten and then wasn't charged with anything. Ah well, I suppose she deserved it - she must have done something wrong, sometime.

As I said before - there is tough justice and there is abuse - this man has gone over to the dark side of abuse. I personally believe in tough justice and not allowing inmates that have been proven guilty of living a life of ease but I don't believe in abusing them and subjecting them to beatings, filthy accommodation and rotten food.

ETA: You are right - I am consistent. I try to be consistently humane to animals and people. I guess that makes me pretty dumb in some folks eyes but I can live with that.
I am not condoning anything like that.

I will ask again, name me ONE, just one perfect law enforcement agency, anywhere that has never had any bad apples that needed to be weeded out.

So, when there is a bad serviceman that does something awful while in the line of duty will you say Obama has gone over to the "dark side" since he is their CIC? LOL
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post #25 of 104
3/3/09 at 1:19pm
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I am not condoning anything like that.

I will ask again, name me ONE, just one perfect law enforcement agency, anywhere that has never had any bad apples that needed to be weeded out.

So, when there is a bad serviceman that does something awful while in the line of duty will you say Obama has gone over to the "dark side" since he is their CIC? LOL
He is the one that is the bad apple! So HE is the one that needs to be weeded out. HE is the one condoning the abuse, racial profiling and all the nasty stuff. The others are just his puppets that follow what he wants them to do. That has nothing to do with there being some bad apples in other law enforcement agencies. I wasn't talking about the people working for him when I said HE was all those things - I was talking about him so it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone working for him. Now, unless you read between my lines and saw something else written there I don't know how you came up with your reply.
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post #26 of 104
3/3/09 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
He is the one that is the bad apple! So HE is the one that needs to be weeded out. HE is the one condoning the abuse, racial profiling and all the nasty stuff. The others are just his puppets that follow what he wants them to do. That has nothing to do with there being some bad apples in other law enforcement agencies. I wasn't talking about the people working for him when I said HE was all those things - I was talking about him so it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone working for him. Now, unless you read between my lines and saw something else written there I don't know how you came up with your reply.

And everything you just said above is untrue. There is no more abuse in Maricopa county than anywhere in America. Shall we fire every Shriff in America?? There is no racial profiling. You are saying something that hasn't been proven and I know how much you don't like to make unproven accusations.
He is not any of the things you are unfairly calling him.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/border/99244.php

Sherrif Joe interview by:Bilingual Community Expression
Published by the Hispanic Institute of Social Issues
http://www.barriozona.com/sheriff_jo...interview.html
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post #27 of 104
3/3/09 at 1:54pm
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And everything you just said above is untrue. There is no more abuse in Maricopa county than anywhere in America. Shall we fire every Shriff in America?? There is no racial profiling. You are saying something that hasn't been proven and I know how much you don't like to make unproven accusations.
He is not any of the things you are unfairly calling him.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/border/99244.php

Sherrif Joe interview by:Bilingual Community Expression
Published by the Hispanic Institute of Social Issues
http://www.barriozona.com/sheriff_jo...interview.html
What can I say Cindy? It would just make my head hurt. The man's a saint.
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post #28 of 104
3/3/09 at 1:59pm
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Thank you Yosemite, I knew you would see the light.
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post #29 of 104
3/3/09 at 5:40pm
Have any of you lived in Phoenix?? I did for over 17 yrs and truthfully would LOVE to give Joe just 1% of what he dishes out
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post #30 of 104
3/3/09 at 5:49pm
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Have any of you lived in Phoenix?? I did for over 17 yrs and truthfully would LOVE to give Joe just 1% of what he dishes out
I haven't lived in Phoenix but I'm with you on that one. He's a bully and a brute and needs a taste of his own medicine.

If someone treated animals like he treats humans, the animal lovers of the world would be appalled and raising all kinds of protests.
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