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The trials of breeding

post #1 of 29
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Skylark is at the vet's right now. I am waiting by the phone. First thing this morning I brought her out of the kennel to clean her up. I had checked her every hour yesterday, plus spent hours just watching her and the kittens and didn't notice anything unusual. But she still hadn't cleaned herself up very well. I had her on the kitchen floor to wipe her with a wet cloth and I saw a ripple through her tummy. I called my vet immediately and they couldn't even see her until 4pm.. so I called another vet, that I don't like quite as much, and they told me to bring her down ASAP.

They x-rayed her and found another kitten stuck inside, and it had tried to come out headfirst. So they said they'd need to do an c-section and most likely spay her at the same time. I said, OK - I just want her to be OK.

But they just called me, and said they had her on the table and she contracted again. Some stuff came out so they helped her contract with oxytocin, and she expelled the kitten. She is now on antibiotics and liquids and they are going to give her til the end of the day to see if she is done expelling stuff. They may still need to do the c-section but she is doing well right now and the kittens are fat and happy. They have kept her in her own crate with towels from my house.

I had called a week in advance to have an early x-ray done, but they could only put me on a cancellation list at my vets office. They are now booked up almost a month in advance. Six kittens in that small of a cat is pretty crazy. I had thought maybe there was a retained placenta, and was stunned to hear that it was another kitten. The vet says that there was no way that kitten would have made it, it was really large and coming out the wrong way, but I still feel awful about the poor little thing. I may have to switch vets as my usual vet office is just too busy to even deal with emergencies. I don't blame them though, this town is really small, and the other 2 vet offices are just not as good. Everyone tries to see the same two vets.

For anyone looking to start up a breeding program, you just have to know that it is not easy and it most CERTAINLY will not make you any money. I was just quoted between 700$ to 1000$ for the c-section and I don't even care.. I just want her to be better.
post #2 of 29


Will keep Sky in our prayers for a safe recovery and no spay necessary.
post #3 of 29
Prayers for her to be ok.
post #4 of 29
for you. How are the other kittens doing? Are you handfeeding at this point?

for Skylark's quick recovery.
post #5 of 29
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The kittens are with her. They are all doing great and the vet office people are in love.
post #6 of 29
That's great. Much less stress on her and the kittens if they can remain together.
post #7 of 29
and for you and Skylark
post #8 of 29
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Just got back from the office. I get to pick her up at 5pm. She passed the last placenta and is doing much better. They want to see her again at 8am tomorrow to check temp and hydration.

I'm wondering if the fact that she was loose with Tsekani an extra two days had anything to do with her problems. Maybe the kittens were conceived too far apart. In any case, I have learned a lot about cats the last few months.
post #9 of 29
I am glad she is better now.
post #10 of 29
Sorry that you've had this sad situation happen, but at least your queen is going to be ok as are her babies.

This situation is why I am so adamant about how the birthing process goes, and I will not leave the mom until I know for sure she's done. I am quite a freak about it because if something happened to my girls, I would be a basket case.

I hope only for the best for you, Sky and her little clouds of love
post #11 of 29
Sending for Skylark and her kittens.
post #12 of 29
Are Skylark and her kittens home now?
post #13 of 29
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This morning she was meowing at me when I checked her, and she was looking really bright. I brought her back to the vets for a temp and check-up and she was in the normal range. So I brought her back home. She is keeping in the IV needle until Saturday, just in case she has a bad turn. The kittens are all in awesome shape, and the vet said that she is really impressed with Sky's mothering instincts. Even when she was really bad she was taking care of her babies.
post #14 of 29
Just now saw this thread. So glad things are working out well for Skylark and the kittens. Do you have pictures somewhere that I missed?
post #15 of 29
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post #16 of 29
Was Sky spayed?
post #17 of 29
Thanks. They're beautiful. Can you tell them apart yet?
post #18 of 29
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Nope, they didn't do surgery.
post #19 of 29
Oh good!

My first litter was a nightmare too. Believe me, I know you have learned a lot from this experience. It will be much easier next time
post #20 of 29
I am happy to hear Sky is doing better.
post #21 of 29
Congratulations on your new litter. Glad everything worked out ok.

We had the exact same thing happen. Our Belle delivered three kittens last Friday. I thought it was kinda wierd because her previous two litters were 5. She completely stopped labor and we thought she was done. The next morning I was palpating her and found one more kitten moving. Rushed her to the vet and a ultrasound confirmed another kitten. They took it out via C-Section and it lived. THis was a unexpected $800. Our vet did a fantastic job. We did not spay her.
post #22 of 29
I am really glad that your girl is OK, what a nightmare though! I am disgusted at the attitude of your usual vet, whenever I phone my vet with even a slight worry (like the time I shut Sonic' foot in the door :o ) I can almost always take a cat along to see them right away, but I and most other pet owners I am sure would be OK if our regular non urgent appointment was delayed due to an emergency - it shouldn't matter if all appointments are booked. If some peoples' vaccination appointments or dental checkups or weigh-in and diet sheet have to wait half an hour because of an emergency coming in it shouldn't matter.
post #23 of 29
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I was very impressed - very - with the vet I brought her to. They have a new lady working there who just started last month. I will definitely continue to have her look after Sky and the babies.
post #24 of 29
I'm glad she's OK and pleased you've found a vet you're happy with
post #25 of 29
I am glad to hear Skylark is doing well. I have to agree that its absurb your regular vet didn't take you right away.
I know its controversial here but I am going to put this out there as I am going through dealing with a spay happy vet. I agree spaying is needed sometimes but there are some vets who don't really want breeders in the world and love to spay anything they can reguardless how great of an owner and breeder you are and reguardless they are going to make a small fortune.
Hence, I would look for a vet with breeding experience, maybe not routine stuff but a second number to call to work with if you need to transfer a cat in special circumstances. I have 3 vets, one for early spay/neuter, one for routine and a vet clinic thats insanely expensive but also very up to date.

Daisy
post #26 of 29
I completely agree with you about "alter happy vets."

Our cat Tiara was 5 weeks along in her pregnancy, and we took her to the vet to confirm this pregnancy. She had red nipples and I told the vet she had gone into heat and a tom bred her. However, we were told that she "was not pregnant" and that we should spay her. My mom left her at the vet, but we told them not to give her shots or do anything until we discussed it. We had it planned so that my dad could pick her up on his way home from work if we didn't want to spay her.

Well, we were sure she was pregnant, called the vet and told them we were picking our cat up. The vet happily informed us that she had given Tiara the shots, and that her kittens were going to be deformed if they didn't die. She than went on to say that we should go ahead with the spay. I was disgusted. We decided anyway to get Tiara and give her and her babies a chance. 4 weeks later, 3 healthy babies were born, no problems.

Tiara had another litter after that one, 5 babies! I plan on having tons of mama's and babies when I'm an adult, and tomcats. We had several toms, sweetest, trouble free cats that ever lived. Rumors about toms being monsters are lies made up by vets to get people to neuter their boys, and that spells CASH. Even this "indoor cat" movement is part of the plan. The more cats that are sricyly indoors, the more cats are altered, the less they have babies, the more cats are declawed, the more cats grow obese and the more cats develop issues. Sicks me out. I love my cats the way they are, and wouldn't alter a thing about them!
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by Cat-tastrophe View Post
I completely agree with you about "alter happy vets."

Our cat Tiara was 5 weeks along in her pregnancy, and we took her to the vet to confirm this pregnancy. She had red nipples and I told the vet she had gone into heat and a tom bred her. However, we were told that she "was not pregnant" and that we should spay her. My mom left her at the vet, but we told them not to give her shots or do anything until we discussed it. We had it planned so that my dad could pick her up on his way home from work if we didn't want to spay her.

Well, we were sure she was pregnant, called the vet and told them we were picking our cat up. The vet happily informed us that she had given Tiara the shots, and that her kittens were going to be deformed if they didn't die. She than went on to say that we should go ahead with the spay. I was disgusted. We decided anyway to get Tiara and give her and her babies a chance. 4 weeks later, 3 healthy babies were born, no problems.

Tiara had another litter after that one, 5 babies! I plan on having tons of mama's and babies when I'm an adult, and tomcats. We had several toms, sweetest, trouble free cats that ever lived. Rumors about toms being monsters are lies made up by vets to get people to neuter their boys, and that spells CASH. Even this "indoor cat" movement is part of the plan. The more cats that are sricyly indoors, the more cats are altered, the less they have babies, the more cats are declawed, the more cats grow obese and the more cats develop issues. Sicks me out. I love my cats the way they are, and wouldn't alter a thing about them!
I have seen a number of your posts and your anti-neutering comments. I see you mention "when you are an adult" which answers some of my questions about your point of view on this subject. I can't help but wonder how in the world you can believe it's OK for cats to be left unneutered to inbreed causing deformities, female cats to be constantly pregnant and giving birth to kittens that people cannot find homes for and will need to be euthanized, the danger of pyomentia (sp?) to female cats, just to name a few.

There are folks on this site that have been working with cats for many, many, many years that do know the dangers of not neutering cats, toms fight when not neutered, they spray when not neutered, and impregnate any stray unneutered female around including their own daughters and if you've ever seen a colony of inbred cats you would see the deformities.

Before one can pass judgement they should learn something about the subject they are judging. It is the people who truly love animals that push to have them neutered so they can live a safer and happier life.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I have seen a number of your posts and your anti-neutering comments. I see you mention "when you are an adult" which answers some of my questions about your point of view on this subject. I can't help but wonder how in the world you can believe it's OK for cats to be left unneutered to inbreed causing deformities, female cats to be constantly pregnant and giving birth to kittens that people cannot find homes for and will need to be euthanized, the danger of pyomentia (sp?) to female cats, just to name a few.

There are folks on this site that have been working with cats for many, many, many years that do know the dangers of not neutering cats, toms fight when not neutered, they spray when not neutered, and impregnate any stray unneutered female around including their own daughters and if you've ever seen a colony of inbred cats you would see the deformities.

Before one can pass judgement they should learn something about the subject they are judging. It is the people who truly love animals that push to have them neutered so they can live a safer and happier life.

AMEN TO THAT!!!

This is one of the reasons I spay and neuter my kittens before going to their homes. These days the AR are introducing mandatory spay and neutering initutives, Pet limit laws are being considered, and the right to own our animals is at risk. Many of these proposed laws are aimed at breeders, when in fact the main problem is irresponsible pet ownership. I hope the poster sees the light and does his/her cats a favor by spay and neutering them.
post #29 of 29
And one of the biggest reasons that purebred ethical breeders spay and neuter 3-4 month old kittens before placing them in homes.

In today's world it is very irresponsible to let mixed breed cats and pet quality pedigree breed all the time. That is what puppy/kitten mills do - let the animals breed to death!
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