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An eye for an eye?

post #1 of 26
2/19/09 at 11:56am
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...tim/index.html

Should the man who blinded her with acid, be blinded in return? I'm all for it
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post #2 of 26
2/19/09 at 12:36pm
No, of course not. Two wrongs will never make a right. He should be tried, convicted and incarcerated.
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post #3 of 26
2/19/09 at 12:48pm
Even the Bible, from whence we get the "eye for an eye" principal, turns around and lays out financial alternatives to such punishments, making it clear that while the principal is sound, the to-the-letter enforcement is not reasonable or productive.
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post #4 of 26
2/19/09 at 12:50pm
My rule of thumb is could I administer the punishment myself. I would have no problem locking this guy up and losing the key. I would prefer hard labor in Siberia, I am not a fan of prisons where they sit around all day. I think they should be doing something useful.

But to blind someone. I don't think I could do it. I can't even think how this man could do it.
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post #5 of 26
2/19/09 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by peachytoday View Post

But to blind someone. I don't think I could do it. I can't even think how this man could do it.
Perhaps not, but if you were that girl that is now blind and disfigured you might feel differently
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post #6 of 26
2/19/09 at 1:17pm
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Perhaps not, but if you were that girl that is now blind and disfigured you might feel differently
You could be right. I could never say for sure until I walked those shoes. Of course in the US I wouldn't have that option but I sure as heck would lobby for the harshest punishment possible. The thought of this crime turns my stomach. This woman will have to live with the physical reminders of this crime for the rest of her life.
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post #7 of 26
2/19/09 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
No, of course not. Two wrongs will never make a right. He should be tried, convicted and incarcerated.
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Even the Bible, from whence we get the "eye for an eye" principal, turns around and lays out financial alternatives to such punishments, making it clear that while the principal is sound, the to-the-letter enforcement is not reasonable or productive.


I am sure Iranian prisons are a great place for this person
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post #8 of 26
2/19/09 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Even the Bible, from whence we get the "eye for an eye" principal, turns around and lays out financial alternatives to such punishments, making it clear that while the principal is sound, the to-the-letter enforcement is not reasonable or productive.
Exactly. The Bible's not that cut and dry as people seem to think.
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post #9 of 26
2/19/09 at 6:23pm
By insisting on an eye for an eye that woman is descending that that awful man's level IMO.
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post #10 of 26
2/19/09 at 7:01pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/...tim/index.html

Should the man who blinded her with acid, be blinded in return? I'm all for it
It's her culture, and her country, who give her the right to ask for that kind of justice; I know I wouldn't like it if the Iranians tried to make me use that kind of justice - sure makes me glad that the Good Lord chose to put me in the US & not Iran.
That guy is a serious nut-job, stalking her like that - I am surprised that her family didn't protect her more. Seems like her brothers, uncles, etc. could have legally beaten some sense into him
the punishment sounds so cruel although it probably isn't more cruel than being glad that someone is incarcerated in our American prisons where they likely will be raped, beaten, stabbed, etc.
Perhaps a more humane alternative would be for those people who object to it, to offer to give her lots of money if she will change her mind. Enough money & she could probably be persuaded
It's sad that there are cultures that think it's okay to throw acid on women's faces
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post #11 of 26
2/20/09 at 9:45am
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Should the man who blinded her with acid, be blinded in return? I'm all for it
Yes, i'm all for it as well.

To some it may be wrong, but it would make me feel better knowing their going to suffer as i have to!

The things she won't be able to see ever again is just heartbreaking.
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post #12 of 26
2/20/09 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
Yes, i'm all for it as well.

To some it may be wrong, but it would make me feel better knowing their going to suffer as i have to!

The things she won't be able to see ever again is just heartbreaking.
There isn't much about the bible that I believe but I sure do buy into the eye for an eye business. Yes, please, blind him with acid so he can experience what she will experience for the rest of her life.
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post #13 of 26
2/20/09 at 10:29am
Jesus changed that eye for an eye thing two thousand years ago, sorry.

So, people here that think it is okay to throw acid in this dude's face are the same people that are against the death penalty? That are against water boarding to get terrorists to talk? How does one reconcile that, I wonder?
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post #14 of 26
2/20/09 at 10:35am
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Jesus changed that eye for an eye thing two thousand years ago, sorry.
Not for her, nor her attacker, nor the courts that have cognizance.

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So, people here that think it is okay to throw acid in this dude's face are the same people that are against the death penalty? That are against water boarding to get terrorists to talk? How does one reconcile that, I wonder?
Do you have poll results supporting that supposition, or are you just making conversation?
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post #15 of 26
2/20/09 at 10:37am
According to the article, an offer of "blood money", or restitution, was offered, and she turned it down in lieu of blinding him. Personally, I can't agree with that. US Law can't agree with that. But, they're not in the US, and like it or not, her request is legal there.
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post #16 of 26
2/20/09 at 10:54am
Jesus changing the "eye-for-an eye" thing only applies to Christians. In Islam, Jesus is only a prophet, not the "Son of God". "Eye-for-an-eye" has been part of Islamic law for at least 2000 years. While there are parts of Islamic law I don't agree with, I don't know if it's my place to say that their culture is wrong just because I don't agree with a part of it. That opens the door for the debate on cultural relativism and whether or not it's a valid or flawed concept.
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post #17 of 26
2/20/09 at 10:55am
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No, of course not. Two wrongs will never make a right. He should be tried, convicted and incarcerated.
Here we go again - agreeing.

I have to say though, if someone did that to my cat or any other loved one, I would want to do the same to them, but I pray I wouldn't.
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post #18 of 26
2/20/09 at 10:59am
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Jesus changed that eye for an eye thing two thousand years ago, sorry.

So, people here that think it is okay to throw acid in this dude's face are the same people that are against the death penalty? That are against water boarding to get terrorists to talk? How does one reconcile that, I wonder?
If I believed in jesus or the bible, that argument might have merit, however...

I never claimed to be against any of the other things you listed so I assume I'm not the one you are referring to.

If someone threw acid in my face (not only is she blind, but if you watched the video you'll see she is horribly disfigured also) and I had the chance to do the same to them, damn right I would.
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post #19 of 26
2/20/09 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Jesus changed that eye for an eye thing two thousand years ago, sorry.

So, people here that think it is okay to throw acid in this dude's face are the same people that are against the death penalty? That are against water boarding to get terrorists to talk? How does one reconcile that, I wonder?

I don't believe she believes in Jesus.

I definitely support the death penalty - save the taxpayers some money and get rid of the bad dudes instead of housing them, feeding them and letting them get a free education (we have to pay for our childrens' education), and clothing them.

I also believe we should use whatever measures we need to get convicted terrorists to talk. I have no problem reconciling that at all.
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post #20 of 26
2/20/09 at 11:07am
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So, people here that think it is okay to throw acid in this dude's face are the same people that are against the death penalty?
I've never been against the death penalty, infact i wish the UK would bring it back!.
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post #21 of 26
2/20/09 at 11:52am
I think it is a rule somewhere that to be a liberal you have to be against the death penalty. I'm just saying.......
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post #22 of 26
2/20/09 at 12:11pm
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I think it is a rule somewhere that to be a liberal you have to be against the death penalty. I'm just saying.......
Ah, but I only follow the rules that I like, not necessarily those that I'm "supposed" to follow. I pick and choose which ones I want to follow.

And if what you say is true, then I would have to say I'm no liberal!
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post #23 of 26
2/20/09 at 12:23pm
I support the death penalty, but I believe it's lost it's focus over the years. When executions were public, they were not merely a form of punishment, but of prevention. They conveyed the message to every hoodlum and thug that happened to be in town that day that "this could be you!"

Now, they're basically out of sight, and out of mind. If it weren't for the protesters at the gates, you wouldn't even know they were going on.
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post #24 of 26
2/20/09 at 12:37pm
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Ah, but I only follow the rules that I like, not necessarily those that I'm "supposed" to follow. I pick and choose which ones I want to follow.
And if what you say is true, then I would have to say I'm no liberal!

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When executions were public, they were not merely a form of punishment, but of prevention. They conveyed the message to every hoodlum and thug that happened to be in town that day that "this could be you!"
Exactly, and i know seeing an execution would make me think twice about committing a horrendous crime.
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post #25 of 26
2/20/09 at 12:59pm
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Exactly, and i know seeing an execution would make me think twice about committing a horrendous crime.


Like this guy http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,497265,00.html
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post #26 of 26
2/20/09 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post


Exactly, and i know seeing an execution would make me think twice about committing a horrendous crime.
Altho it's the same for me as for you, unfortunately, for criminals, it doesn't work that way

The states who still have the death penalty also have the higher murder rates: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-1996-2007

And in countries, such as the Islamic countries, who offer executions at their horrific best, crime still does occur; women in such countries tend to have a lower status, as well as animals
I guess that the best that some of us can do, is adhere to their religion and follow its tenets on being the best person possible. Fortunately for me, that means prayer and keeping the joyful hope that Christ returns soon and sets this ol' world straight
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