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Originally Posted by coaster
 The CIA?!?!? Now, THERE's a really reliable source for ya!!!
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
So, why aren't Christian murderers identified as such?
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Originally Posted by coaster
No, I didn't miss it. I ignored it.
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Because the only answer is a double standard favoring Christians, and I was fairly sure I'd never see that admitted here. 
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
But, the Victim's Advocacy groups and Domestic abuse professionals in Buffalo do not agree. They see the case as domestic violence. What sets that case apart from the thousands of other domestic violence cases in the US?
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
Why does their being Muslim set it apart? Most domestic violence cases resulting in injury or death involve people with a history of domestic violence. Many domestic violence cases that result in injury or death come to a head after the other party made known their intentions to divorce or leave the relationship. How do we know that he saw her actions as "the final sin". We just saw where another case of domestic violence involved decapitation, so that's not really a unique factor. In fact, there are quite a few US domestic violence cases where it went far, far beyond decapitation. It doesn't appear to be an "honor killing" any more than any other domestic violence case. It simply seems that some people are in a hurry to slap the "honor killing" label on it in their zeal to promote their "us versus them" agendas.
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Originally Posted by ckblv
You asked what set it apart and I told you. Why can't you accept the answer I gave, that is my answer, like it or lump it.
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
We just saw where another case of domestic violence involved decapitation, so that's not really a unique factor.
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that any female should be subject to such things because of her religion, or w/e. I am in a Womens Studies class and i am really sad how messed up our society is. I dont think it is right for any religion to believe that someones life is not worthy and that you have a right to take it away...
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Wow, you talk about killing a woman by decapitation like it is an every day, usual occurance. Who knew it is just the norm, no big deal.
Silly me, I think this is a unique case. |
)just this weekend. There have been many cases in the US of non-Muslims ( ) who greatly exceeded decapitation. Such as teeny, tiny pieces. Yet not one of those people are referred to as a (insert religious affiliation here) murderer or an "honor killer". Why not?
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
Check out how many have a penchant for decapitation.
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Originally Posted by coaster
I counted TWO where dismemberment was specified. Berdella and Dahmer. And in one of those two for sure (Dahmer), decapitation occurred post-mortem.
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Extremist Islamic terrorist death of choice in front of an audience seems to be decapitation. Decapitation is an act that horrifies people, probably why they choose it.
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| Add that to the fact of the numerous "honor killings" of wives and daughters and sisters by extremists, many times Muslims, I don't think that it is unusual that people would think this Hassan case is a case of honor killing. I don't think that makes me a "Muslim basher" but if it make someone happy to call me that, whatever. Nowhere did I say that it "honor killing" is a unique crime done only by Muslims. Muslims can be criticized just like Christians can, they are not exempt from criticism, Christians aren't either. I see Christians criticized on a regular basis, which is okay, Christians are sinners. My point being, when Christians are "bashed", it is a pretty PC thing to do and not many care. But, goodness me, criticize something a Muslim does and that is just not PC. Newsflash, anyone can be criticized, or "bashed". |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
No one is above criticism. Which in all honesty, is why Christianity often gets criticized so much...because many of them refuse to acknowledge that.
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Originally Posted by coaster
Seems to me it's the professed Christians here who've been most open to acknowledge that emphatically and repeatedly; I don't know how many times I've seen us post something along the lines of "Christians aren't any better than anyone else" yet still all I read in certain people's posts are about their nearly universal sanctimonious arrogance. Well, I've got news. You could take your text editor and do a search and replace on "Christians" replacing it with whatever belief/philosophy/life style/orientation you choose and the phrases would still ring true. Christians aren't any better or any worse than anyone else. Though, frankly, I think we'd be better off and better received if we lived DOWN to the image portrayed.
I'm really not this nasty in real life; it's just when I read the kind of one-track BS I read here over and over again I feel I'm obligated to get the pitchforks and shovels out and shovel some of it as best I can. |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
No one is above criticism. Which in all honesty, is why Christianity often gets criticized so much...because many of them refuse to acknowledge that.
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
The man's religion was the only reason this crime was labeled "honor killing".
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Originally Posted by coaster
I don't have any reason to disagree with that. What I have reason to disagree with is Mike using every opportunity he can to cast a negative light on Christianity, so ask him why he resurrected the thread and why he convoluted the topic in the first place by bringing that in when it wasn't necessary nor to the topic. If you burned your mouth on a chocolate cookie because you didn't let it cool off after it came out of the oven would you have to bring up brownies, pizza and barbeque chicken?
Like you said.....it's a simple point. |
) and all, but all the while abusing his wife to the extent that the authorities are called multiple times.
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
I don't see that at all - all Mike did was make the point that crimes perpetrated by Christians are not labelled merely because the person is a Christian. That's the truth! He resurrected the thread to prove a point - that one beheading was labeled "honour killing" and the other was not. The only difference was the one labeled honour killing was perpetrated by a Muslim and the other beheading was done by a Christian and was labeled domestic violence.
All Mike is doing is trying to defray the Christian bashing arguments by others as far as I can see. Now I may be totally wrong but that's what I see. |
But to be honest, I suspected that the "bashing" thing would be used to try to derail the point. Any attempt to seek equal treatment for other religions seems to be condemned as "bashing". Apparently, "sharing the stage" doesn't figure into some people's ideas of tolerance. I was also almost certain that my last question would not get answered, but I asked anyway because I was curious as to whether it would be dodged or simply ignored. Apparently the answer would require too much honesty of one's self and might prove an embarrassment.
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I went back and read my OP and the first page. I did not even bring up honor killing.
What made this news was the fact that the dude started this TV station to help remove stigma regarding Muslims. He was supposed to be this, fine, upstanding man getting an award from CAIR ( ) and all, but all the while abusing his wife to the extent that the authorities are called multiple times. |
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Originally Posted by coaster
I don't have any reason to disagree with that. What I have reason to disagree with is Mike using every opportunity he can to cast a negative light on Christianity, so ask him why he resurrected the thread and why he convoluted the topic in the first place by bringing that in when it wasn't necessary nor to the topic. If you burned your mouth on a chocolate cookie because you didn't let it cool off after it came out of the oven would you have to bring up brownies, pizza and barbeque chicken?
Like you said.....it's a simple point. |
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
If each religion is no better and no worse than any other, then why would asking for equal time and treatment for all of them be a "negative light"?
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
Hey, you know you aren't going to get an answer for that except the reiteration that you are Christian bashing.
I completely understood this thread, why you resurrected it and even though I consider myself Christian, I did not see anything even remotely connected to "bashing". But then I also respect other religions and know that there are good and bad in each religion so the acts of one do not reflect the whole group. To paint such a negative picture of a particular faith by the act of one person because that one person practices that faith is the biased, prejudiced and, IMO, a case of total ignorance. By comparing these two stories you indeed proved that a person's religion dictates how a murder is reported by the media and accepted by the masses. That doesn't speak well for any of us whether we are Christian or not. |
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
Hey, you know you aren't going to get an answer for that except the reiteration that you are Christian bashing.
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
Oh, I didn't expect an answer. No answer WAS the answer.
Thank you, I was really hoping that I was making at least a little sense. For clarity's sake, I realize that there are many, many bad Muslims in the form of extremists and terrorists. But one thing people should remember is, that if we see every, single Muslim in the news as being in the news because they did "something Muslim", then the terrorists are winning. People seeing a terrorist on every street corner, in every grocery store, and under every bed is exactly what the terrorists want. |
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Originally Posted by coaster
Mike always poses these IF - THEN hypotheses where I can't agree with the IF part and so responding to the THEN part is pointless.
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