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post #1 of 117
2/17/09 at 10:15am
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http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...51F4ZX20090216


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U.S. Muslim TV network founder charged with beheading wife
Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:18pm EST
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The founder of a U.S. Muslim television network has been arrested and charged with murdering his wife by beheading her, the network's Web site and local media reported.
Whoa!
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post #2 of 117
2/17/09 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
This was reported in our Toronto Star this weekend. They said it was acceptable for him to behead her in his country of origin. How sad and terrible is that!
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post #3 of 117
2/17/09 at 10:22am
Not the first honor killing in the US, but the first I've read about a beheading. And remember, he's a moderate, even set up his tv station as such. Apparently when the station had "cash flow issues" the first thing he thought to do was this?

I read that his tv station was possibly being financed by Syria.

HINT as to why I was worried the other day about the US lightening up on them.
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post #4 of 117
2/17/09 at 10:45am
There is nothing but speculation at this point. All they have is a body and a crime scene. They have no weapon and no confession. Titling it an "honor killing" at this time merely because the involved are muslim, even though honor killings are cultural stigmas, is jumping the gun in a rather prejudiced way.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/581540.html
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post #5 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:06am
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He went to the police station and told them where to find her body. There was a restaining order against him prior to her death (wonder why) and she had filed for divorce.

I would say there is a better than even chance he beheaded his wife.
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post #6 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
He went to the police station and told them where to find her body. There was a restaining order against him prior to her death (wonder why) and she had filed for divorce.

I would say there is a better than even chance he beheaded his wife.
I agree there is a chance. There is also a chance that all those people saying 9-11 was an inside job were right
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post #7 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
There is nothing but speculation at this point. All they have is a body and a crime scene. They have no weapon and no confession. Titling it an "honor killing" at this time merely because the involved are muslim, even though honor killings are cultural stigmas, is jumping the gun in a rather prejudiced way.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/581540.html
You are quite right Mike. We do tend to jump on the popular bandwagon of the moment and judge much too quickly.
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post #8 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Apparently when the station had "cash flow issues" the first thing he thought to do was this?
There have been at least 16 cases of murders of entire immediate families or murder suicides for economic reasons across the US since the beginning of February alone. Several more are being investigated and are suspected as such. The methods used, to include fire, are just as equally gruesome and horrifying.

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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
I read that his tv station was possibly being financed by Syria.

HINT as to why I was worried the other day about the US lightening up on them.
Then why would he have a cash flow issue?
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post #9 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
You are quite right Mike. We do tend to jump on the popular bandwagon of the moment and judge much too quickly.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying that isn't exactly what happened. I merely think that calling it an honor killing simply because muslims are involved is getting the cart ahead of the horse. Beheading is no more exclusive to honor killings than slitting throats are exclusive to Columbians.
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post #10 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:39am
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I agree there is a chance. There is also a chance that all those people saying 9-11 was an inside job were right

So, you equate the two? Whoa, again.
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post #11 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:42am
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There is also a chance that all those people saying 9-11 was an inside job were right
Not to put too fine a point on it, but no, there isn't any such chance.

He might have done it, but he might have paid to have it done, too. Of course, that's why they hold trials in criminal cases.

Unfortunately, when a woman is killed, the police know the odds are something like 90% that the perpetrator, either in the act or the instigation, is her significant other. I hate to admit something like that about men, but it's true.
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post #12 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:42am
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So, you equate the two? Whoa, again.
It's your topic, don't try to change the subject You know perfectly well the nature of the comparison.
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post #13 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
It's your topic, don't try to change the subject You know perfectly well the nature of the comparison.
But what fun would it be without the "spin"?

And, FWIW - I do think it was an inside job. JK!
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post #14 of 117
2/17/09 at 11:48am
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but no, there isn't any such chance.
Ah, but yes, there is a chance. 1 chance in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 is still a chance. Very, very unlikely...but still a chance
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post #15 of 117
2/17/09 at 12:10pm
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Truthfully, I don't think there is any comparison between the two, but, hey, that's just me.

I commend N.O.W. for, at least, standing up for this woman.
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post #16 of 117
2/17/09 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Truthfully, I don't think there is any comparison between the two, but, hey, that's just me.

I commend N.O.W. for, at least, standing up for this woman.
The comparison was between the chances of occurance

There is a chance he beheaded his wife...there is a chance the sun will explode next week...there is a chance that the offerings set outside by pagans are actually accepted by "the little people"...and so on and so forth
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post #17 of 117
2/17/09 at 7:25pm
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And what does that have to do with anything.

I think the most likely scenario here is, he beheaded his wife for hired it done.

No, he has not been convicted but since when has that stopped anyone her or anywhere from giving their opinion.

Some people will never believe he is guilty if he confesses (example: Roman Polanski) I believe the evidence points towards a so-called "honor killing".
To bad the only person with honor is the dead woman.
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post #18 of 117
2/17/09 at 7:43pm
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Awww, the alleged killer got an award from CAIR, isn't that sweet?

http://pa.cair.com/content/image.php...lder=19&img=45
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post #19 of 117
2/17/09 at 7:50pm
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Take a gander at the polls on the website of the TV Station this guy started.

http://www.bridgestv.com/contact.asp
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post #20 of 117
2/18/09 at 12:53am
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And what does that have to do with anything.

I think the most likely scenario here is, he beheaded his wife for hired it done.

No, he has not been convicted but since when has that stopped anyone her or anywhere from giving their opinion.

Some people will never believe he is guilty if he confesses (example: Roman Polanski) I believe the evidence points towards a so-called "honor killing".
To bad the only person with honor is the dead woman.
If my prior post wasn't plain enough to explain the correlation, then I just don't know what else to say.

And you do so have a point. Anyone with a confirmed, or denied, hatred for Muslims is going to see it instantly as an honor killing, as this is a common cultural stigma that they will apply to all of Islam as misinformed propaganda. Their instant condemnation based on a pitiable number of facts and bushels of speculation are a sad reality of the world we live in.

It's a constant source of disappointment in US culture that every thing that happens involving a Muslim, is immediately determined by the media and the public that it happened because of their being Muslim.

When Jeffery Scott murdered his wife in Memphis, no one called it a Baptist murder. Why not?

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic...WS01/902170310

When these parents tied their 13 year old son to a tree for failing to "honor thy father and thy mother" and left him to die, no one called it a Methodist murder. Why not?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=6208403
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post #21 of 117
2/18/09 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
If my prior post wasn't plain enough to explain the correlation, then I just don't know what else to say.

And you do so have a point. Anyone with a confirmed, or denied, hatred for Muslims is going to see it instantly as an honor killing, as this is a common cultural stigma that they will apply to all of Islam as misinformed propaganda. Their instant condemnation based on a pitiable number of facts and bushels of speculation are a sad reality of the world we live in.

It's a constant source of disappointment in US culture that every thing that happens involving a Muslim, is immediately determined by the media and the public that it happened because of their being Muslim.

When Jeffery Scott murdered his wife in Memphis, no one called it a Baptist murder. Why not?

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic...WS01/902170310

When these parents tied their 13 year old son to a tree for failing to "honor thy father and thy mother" and left him to die, no one called it a Methodist murder. Why not?

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=6208403
These questions don't even need an answer - you have already answered them. Bigotry, prejudice, hatred and ignorance of Islam prevails in parts of the world and by people who don't know any better. Just paint everyone with the same great big bad brush. If they are Muslim then they surely must be bad. All of them - every single one of them.

I pray (to my God) that one day people will see other people as just that - other people - instead of black, asian, white, Catholic, Baptist, Protestant or Muslim, etc. I know I will never live long enough to see this happen but I can pray and hope.
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post #22 of 117
2/22/09 at 12:14pm
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Update on the honor killing.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/586519.html

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A history of abuse preceded Orchard Park beheading
Aasiya Hassan endured years of violence and controlling behavior from her husband while keeping up the facade of a stable marriage
By Sandra Tan, Gene Warner and Fred O. Williams
NEWS STAFF REPORTERS

The lives of Muzzammil and Aasiya Hassan were quite different from their public image in the local Muslim and broadcast communities.

In the public eye, they were a dynamic couple, building their — actually her — dream of a Muslim-lifestyle TV channel in the United States.

But police reports compiled for much of their marriage tell another story:

Their home life was a nightmare. Aasiya was repeatedly subjected to controlling and sometimes violent acts by her ambitious but troubled husband.

To protect herself, she went to the police in two states. Yet for years she stopped short of pressing charges — thus preserving Muzzammil’s reputation and the venture they built together.

On Feb. 6, she filed for divorce and obtained an order of protection, barring him from their home in Orchard Park. A week later, she lay dead in their television offices — stabbed and decapitated. Muzzammil was charged with her murder.
A coincidence that one week after filing for divorce she is found stabbed and decapitated? Yeah, riiiiight.

If anyone thinks there isn't more of a chance this dude beheaded his wife than of the sun exploding tomorrow I don't know what to tell you.

I think for many people Islam is not a peaceful religion. I don't hate any Muslims but the treatment of women by many that follow Islam is pretty bad.
Good grief, don't even some countries like Saudi Arabia and other look the other way at the horrendous way women are treated?
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post #23 of 117
2/22/09 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
These questions don't even need an answer - you have already answered them. Bigotry, prejudice, hatred and ignorance of Islam prevails in parts of the world and by people who don't know any better. Just paint everyone with the same great big bad brush. If they are Muslim then they surely must be bad. All of them - every single one of them.
I don't remember anyone saying all Muslims "surely must be bad, all of them, every single one of them". Did anyone say that?

But, I have a feeling this is a bad one.

We ARE allowed to criticize Muslims the same as people criticize Christians, right? Muslims don't get a free pass, sorry.
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post #24 of 117
2/22/09 at 12:17pm
Was O.J. a Muslim? He virtually decapitated his ex-wife, whom he'd abused for years. How can you just assume that the above crime has anything to do with religion?
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post #25 of 117
2/22/09 at 12:24pm
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Was O.J. a Muslim? He virtually decapitated his ex-wife, whom he'd abused for years. How can you just assume that the above crime has anything to do with religion?
That was exactly my point. I was reading the Letters to the Editor in the Toronto Star this morning and most of them were from Muslims who are terribly upset that their religion is judged by the actions of people like this. Beheading is not part of their religion and it is ignorance and prejudice IMO to insist that this terrible crime was done because they were Muslim.

As another poster noted, if the man were Christian, his religion would never have been mentioned in connection with this crime. It would have been reported simply as domestic violence.
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post #26 of 117
2/22/09 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Update on the honor killing.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/586519.html



A coincidence that one week after filing for divorce she is found stabbed and decapitated? Yeah, riiiiight.

If anyone thinks there isn't more of a chance this dude beheaded his wife than of the sun exploding tomorrow I don't know what to tell you.

I think for many people Islam is not a peaceful religion. I don't hate any Muslims but the treatment of women by many that follow Islam is pretty bad.
Good grief, don't even some countries like Saudi Arabia and other look the other way at the horrendous way women are treated?
Maybe cultural would be a more fitting word??? But dead is dead.

That culture does not have a good reputation for how they treat their women.
And I think it is a given that American women enjoy much better treatment and freedom.
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post #27 of 117
2/22/09 at 12:48pm
That couple lived in the U.S.; perhaps it was the violent American culture that fostered the crime? Again, to designate this a "Muslim honor killing" or the like is jumping to conclusions, i.e., "pre-judging".
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post #28 of 117
2/22/09 at 1:51pm
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Here is some interesting background on, Islamic Beheading.

http://www.meforum.org/article/713

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Decapitation in Islamic Theology
Groups such as Abu Mus‘ab al-Zarqawi's Al-Tawhid wa al-Jihad (Unity and Jihad) and Abu ‘Abd Allah al-Hasan bin Mahmud's Ansar al-Sunna (Defenders of [Prophetic] Tradition)[10] justify the decapitation of prisoners with Qur'anic scripture. Sura (chapter) 47 contains the ayah (verse): "When you encounter the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads until you have crushed them completely; then bind the prisoners tightly."[11] The Qur'anic Arabic terms are generally straightforward: kafaru means "those who blaspheme/are irreligious," although Darb ar-riqab is less clear. Darb can mean "striking or hitting" while ar-riqab translates to "necks, slaves, persons." With little variation, scholars have translated the verse as, "When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks."[12]

Under no circumstances should the Muslim lose sight of this aim and start taking the enemy soldiers as captives. Captives should be taken after the enemy has been completely crushed.[17]
Now, I am not saying all follwers of Islam believe in this.
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post #29 of 117
2/22/09 at 2:30pm
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More interesting reading, on the history of beheading at the Prophet Mohammad' direction.

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Islam/islam_beheading.pdf
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post #30 of 117
2/22/09 at 2:47pm
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More interesting reading, on the history of beheading at the Prophet Mohammad' direction.

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Islam/islam_beheading.pdf
Perhaps, if you can count on that person's interpretation of the Qur’an as being correct. It's a very complex book that supposedly only carries it's true meaning in Arabic.

But you can also see from your link that beheading was used against enemies of Islam, as in warring with Islam, not just being a non-believer. It's not a method used with any frequency in "honor killings".

It was however, a favorite of the founder of the Christian Church of England, King Henry VIII, even ordering it executed on his wife, Anne.

It's also quite popular with serial killer all over the world. I know you don't put much emphasis on Wikipedia, but this is just a list. Google the names and you'll see just how much they like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ers_by_country

Perhaps this fellow is merely a budding serial killer who just happens to be a Muslim?
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