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post #31 of 46
I would like to say my heart goes out to the Australian cat owners and their cats that are dealing with this devasting problem.

To learn more about this subject, I visited the Itchmo forums and read the thread on the Orijen recall, all 47 pages (at that time), plus some of the links provided. Champion Petfoods made a major mistake in not investigating the irradiation process before importing Orijen into Australia and they admit this! (There is no mention of the recall on the Orijen website, but it is on the Champion Petfood website.)

The government of Australia considers petfood to be a 'biological' and may be subject to irradiation on importation into the country. However, the AU government states that it is up to the companies importing 'biologicals' to test for safeness after treatment. Champion did not test the food to see if there were any detrimental changes. Tests should have been done before Orijen was imported. This is where Champion failed their Australian customers and their cats.

People in Australia are going after the governing bodies responsible and are working to change things. They are holding both Champion and their government responsible and rightly so IMO.

Keep in mind, people have lost lost beloved pets and others are dealing with this on a day-to-day basis trying to keep their cats alive long enough to hopefully recover.
post #32 of 46
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
So...somebody thinks that every food shipper should question every statement from every government.

Does that mean that, oh, say Chile should question the inspection of fruit coming into the U.S?

Does that mean that the Central American companies should challenge the FDA on their requirements for fumigation of coffee bean shipments to the U.S?

Eventually, someone has to step up and say, "The Australian government should have adopted safe standards, and not expected that their work should be second-guessed by every vendor sending foodstuff into the country."

It's sad about the cats, but I don't see where any company has the resources to back-check every government policy in every country they ship to. In my book the Australian government is the party at fault in this debacle.

It's different with the melamine thing. The shippers in China KNEW they were violating the law and they KNEW it would harm anyone or anything eating the product.
Yes, every food shipper should COMPLY with the country of importation's laws. If Champion would have done so, they would have tested their food prior to it being put on the market in Australia. The government warned them to test their food after irradiation and they failed to do so.

Fumigation and irradiation are two totally different types of treatments and a quick google search will produce studies that show irradiation has much more negative effects and a higher variation in lipid stability on foods than fumigation does.

If the company doesn't have the resources to "back-check every government policy in every country they ship to" then they should not be allowed to export their foods. That, by the way, is exactly how the laws are written and interpreted. Or, for the lay person, ignorance is no excuse.
post #33 of 46
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Originally Posted by Perseus View Post
This is a very cold statement especially being made by a moderator. I don't understand how you can say that, when pet parents have completely paralyzed kitties and have been nursing them around the clock for 6 months. All they are asking for is reimbursement for their expenses from the direct result of Champion's negligence in not assuring the food wasn't poisoned after it was irradiated and the government told them to test it to be sure.

These pet parents are not just blaming Champion either. They have lobbied all levels of their government to stop the irradiation on pet food through hundreds of letters, emails and phone calls so this tragedy doesn't occur again.

If they were merely out to get some money, they wouldn't care about changing the laws so others don't suffer the same fate they have.
Being a Moderator has nothing to do with my personal opinion. I do feel very bad for those whose cats have suffered but my point is (I've reiterated this several times) is that Champion Foods are not the only one at fault here but they will be the ones that are being sued - not the government. And the reason that will happen is because suing a government will not get any of those owners a penny but they hope to get money from Champion Food. I also realize the money is to help pay their vet bills which is also fair, but that doesn't change the fact that Champion is only partially to blame but they will be the only ones that will have to pay up.

That, IMO is not fair and that has nothing to do with me being a Moderator. It's all about justice and fairness.
post #34 of 46
Yosemite I do not know how the laws in regard to taking legal action against your government apply, However this has been done on many occasions in Australia with a favourable outcome. If we had a case against our government we would be pursuing it. If it were only money we were after do you think we would be spending countless hours every day lobbying our government to assure this horrible syndrome never happens again due to people not reading what they are signing. I am an animal lover and in my eyes sitting back and letting this happen again is pure animal cruelty just like not reading/ignoring crucial documents and declining a test sample. We have also spoken to Steritech the irradiation company who told us an offer to irradiate a sample batch for free (for testing) was declined and that this rarely happens. Steritech were a little amaized at this. I respect your opinion. But please do not think it is money we are after, again in my eyes, I think what is unfair is that Champion are legally responsible, Peter has said they made a mistake and did not do due diligence when entering the Australian market but for some reason have had their lawyers craft a very cleaver Compassion Fund which does not even entitle us to 1/4 of our costs. This is what I feel is unfair. But then I have a constant reminder of the negligence day in day out nursing my 2 cats every day. By the way we just lost another beautiful fury friend to the rainbow bridge yesterday.
post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by maxymia View Post
Yosemite I do not know how the laws in regard to taking legal action against your government apply, However this has been done on many occasions in Australia with a favourable outcome. If we had a case against our government we would be pursuing it. If it were only money we were after do you think we would be spending countless hours every day lobbying our government to assure this horrible syndrome never happens again due to people not reading what they are signing. I am an animal lover and in my eyes sitting back and letting this happen again is pure animal cruelty just like not reading/ignoring crucial documents and declining a test sample. We have also spoken to Steritech the irradiation company who told us an offer to irradiate a sample batch for free (for testing) was declined and that this rarely happens. Steritech were a little amaized at this. I respect your opinion. But please do not think it is money we are after, again in my eyes, I think what is unfair is that Champion are legally responsible, Peter has said they made a mistake and did not do due diligence when entering the Australian market but for some reason have had their lawyers craft a very cleaver Compassion Fund which does not even entitle us to 1/4 of our costs. This is what I feel is unfair. But then I have a constant reminder of the negligence day in day out nursing my 2 cats every day. By the way we just lost another beautiful fury friend to the rainbow bridge yesterday.
I appreciate your feelings on this matter, however, we will have to agree to disagree. I think all parties - Champion, government and irradiation company need to come to the table and take responsibility for their own actions in this matter. Steritech can say they were not in any way at fault - that doesn't mean they aren't just because they say so no more than Champion are not at fault just because they say so.

So, again, we will have to agree to disagree.
post #36 of 46
Yosemite, I still think you're missing my point. I was taking exception to one statement you made:
"But if that happened, then people wouldn't be able to put all the blame on the company and get money from them."

I will reiterate again, no one is putting all the blame on Champion. They are not trying to "get money from them." They are simply trying to get reimbursed for their expenses. This is how a democratic and moral society works.
post #37 of 46
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Originally Posted by Perseus View Post
Yosemite, I still think you're missing my point. I was taking exception to one statement you made:
"But if that happened, then people wouldn't be able to put all the blame on the company and get money from them."

I will reiterate again, no one is putting all the blame on Champion. They are not trying to "get money from them." They are simply trying to get reimbursed for their expenses. This is how a democratic and moral society works.
I had to go back and re-read each post and I don't think I'm missing any point at all. In every post the blame is being put on Champion, not the irradiation company and not the government. The only people who are holding the government and irradiation companies partially responsible are those of us that are not in Australia. So no, I have not missed anything.

And FWIW, there is a better chance of successfully suing a company than the government in any country IMO.
post #38 of 46
Yosemite We are not letting the Australian organisations/companies off the hook at all. One owner with my full support, has sent many videos containing footage of our poor cats with pretty forcefull messages to all involved. They recieve constant phone calls/letters in regard to our cats and the need for a change in legislation. I agree that morally they are also to blame but legally they are not. There job was to keep our nation secure from pathogens etc. and they have done their job even if I do not agree with their methods. Champion however is legally and morally to blame. Even after they researched the effects of irradiation they knew that this process was leaving their product depleted of essential vitamins and minerals but still thought it would be fine to sell this 'high end product' in our country. Champions job is to ensure we the buyers are getting a product that matches it's claims

I accept that we have to agree to disagree but you also need to realise that we are by no means protecting the other parties involved. Apart from changing our legislation so no other cat or owner ever has to endure this (which is my number one priority) we would also like to be able to give our cats what they need to hopefully recover and again legally Champion is the only one that can do that.

After speaking with many law firms it is actually easier to sue an organisation in your own country, government or not, than it is with a company that has left our shores. This is not my opinion this is fact.

I will leave this conversation as is and I truly hope that you or anyone you know never ever has to watch your beloved pet suffer from the negligence of any pet food company or any other companies invovled. Unfortunately if PFC's keep getting support when they have done wrong, we will see devastation like this again and again.

Thank you for your time and best wishes
post #39 of 46
Just wondering - after the rep disclosed that they found BHA and BHT in their dried chicken product used in their pet foods, have they changed suppliers or had anything done about it at all? I want to know that if I do feed my cat Orijen again in the future (he's only had it once in his rotation), that he's not eating BHA/BHT.

I sent them an e-mail yesterday, but so far, I haven't gotten a response yet.
post #40 of 46
You can't quote me on this one, but I remember hearing something like it will be cleared up in a few months. Something like this was said by one of the reps (Clark OR Michelle) on Itchmo forums before they disappeared. I was led to believe that they said they would fix the problem but do nothing about all the food already produced and on shelves. Again not putting animals best interest at heart. It is stated on their website that Orijen contains no preservatives. Champion went quiet on this issue as well.
post #41 of 46
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
It is high in protein (cats need protein) and not full of useless grains and I like the other ingredients - that's a winner in my books. My vet, however, has warned me to keep an eye on Bijou as she says a food that high in protein can cause other problems, particularly in neutered males, and I have to admit I cannot remember what she said as I wasn't there - our daughter had taken Bijou to his vet appointment so I'd have to ask her.
I second Yosemite, and add the following to the quality of the food - not only Orijen is grain free and high protein, but it is also made of 75% of high quality, grain-fed, human-grade meat. The carbs come from steam veggies and fruits, and to top it all off, Orijen is cooked on low temperature, preserving all the nutrients, omega 3 and 6, etc...
As far as ingredients and preparation, it is really quite hard to beat Orijen...
post #42 of 46
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I had to go back and re-read each post and I don't think I'm missing any point at all. In every post the blame is being put on Champion, not the irradiation company and not the government. The only people who are holding the government and irradiation companies partially responsible are those of us that are not in Australia. So no, I have not missed anything.

And FWIW, there is a better chance of successfully suing a company than the government in any country IMO.
Yosemite, again, I am 100% with you on this...
See, here is the problem: This issue is specific for cats - no other pets were affected by this irradiation, including dogs who were fed Orijen food, that received the same amount of irradiation. The dog food was taken from the market because cats were eating from it, and a couple got sick.
The reason why the Orijen food needed to go through irradiation, is the high protein level, coupled with the low temperature cooking.
With that said, only a hand full of brands imported to Australia are irradiated, and if I am not mistaken, NONE of the previous irradiated foods had been for cats. Which means........ There was no way for Orijen to fully research the treatment safety before the problem surfaced, when there was no data about it. If Orijen asked the government, who was again, applying the treatment, and was told that it was safe, how were they supposed to know? They do not have the same equipment that the government has...
That is why I truly believe it was the responsibility of the government to know and apply the correct level of irradiation to the food, since THEY were the ones doing so. Any treatment to food should be tested before being made available by the government.
I might be completely stupid, but I just do not get the fact that Orijen is being blamed and bashed for this issue.
And sorry, but yes - IMO it is easier to sue a company than the government.
post #43 of 46
I wrote to champion pet food asking what they do with the recalled food... i had no answer.
Does anybody knows?
thanks
post #44 of 46
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
There was no way for Orijen to fully research the treatment safety before the problem surfaced, when there was no data about it. If Orijen asked the government, who was again, applying the treatment, and was told that it was safe, how were they supposed to know? They do not have the same equipment that the government has...
That is why I truly believe it was the responsibility of the government to know and apply the correct level of irradiation to the food, since THEY were the ones doing so. Any treatment to food should be tested before being made available by the government.
I might be completely stupid, but I just do not get the fact that Orijen is being blamed and bashed for this issue.
And sorry, but yes - IMO it is easier to sue a company than the government.
This is not correct. There are hundreds of scientific studies particular to animal feeds since the 1950's all over the Internet about the adverse effects of irradiation. Results have included subchronic and chronic changes in metabolism, histopathology and function of most systems, reproductive effects, growth, etc. for short term effects. Long term effect studies are still lacking. There was ample information available to Champion to review prior to making their decision to allow their food to be irradiated.

Champion was not told the irradiation was safe. Rather, they were told to test their own foods prior to releasing it on the market. They signed export and import documents attesting to this, but they did not test the food at their own choice.

Yes, they have the same ability in testing equipment as the government does. When Champion was notified of the problems with their food and the symptoms it was causing cats in Australia, they had their food tested in a laboratory that indicated the vitamin A depletion and free radical formation caused the neurological and physical harm to the cats. All pet food companies have access to laboratories to test their foods for any number of reasons.

No one is bashing Champion, they admittedly made a "mistake" and that is contained in their own press releases. Stating the facts is not bashing.

Laws pertaining to negligence revert to the care, custody and control of the products at the time the damages are sustained. At all times the Orijen products were within the care, custody and control of Champion PetFoods. It is not a matter of who is easier to sue.

I am not on this forum to start arguments, but rather to inform others. I have done my research and have followed this closely for many months. I welcome any debate from others that have done the same.
post #45 of 46
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Originally Posted by maxymia View Post
You can't quote me on this one, but I remember hearing something like it will be cleared up in a few months. Something like this was said by one of the reps (Clark OR Michelle) on Itchmo forums before they disappeared. I was led to believe that they said they would fix the problem but do nothing about all the food already produced and on shelves. Again not putting animals best interest at heart. It is stated on their website that Orijen contains no preservatives. Champion went quiet on this issue as well.
This is something that really bothers me, about the potential BHA/BHT that (if it's true) they aren't more forthcoming with the facts. Put it up on their web site at least, but I would like them to put stickers on the bags of food too. I read the ingredients list carefully on any food I buy for my cats, and I'm not happy to think I may have been feeding them something and thinking I'm giving them a healthy food, when in reality BHA/BHT would be a deal breaker for me.

Fortunately, Orijen was only a small part of their diet (mixed with California Natural), and I've discovered they both absolutely love TOTW (also much easier to get locally than orijen) - so I hope I don't find out anything bad about that product!
post #46 of 46
Australian imports of Orijen have already been covered in this thread. Discussion of nutritional/health aspects can be continued there. Thank you.
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