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post #61 of 76
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Originally Posted by AddieBee View Post
I agree with that and with Chris' (Snake_Lady) assessment. These boys are disturbed - a few things need to come out of this episode. They need to face consequences, they need therapeutic help, their parents need to see and accept their part in this, they need to NEVER have another pet EVER!
Indeed. I fully agree with all of the above.

Honestly it concerns me, that so many wish these boys to be beaten and the like. Yes I know animal abuse is a sensitive issue amongst animal owners, just as sexual abuse victim, physical abuse victims, emotional abuse victims are all more sympathetic with ones who've been through it. I hope that it is just the anger talking. Calming

Take a deep breath, for those that are extremely angry and think about this. I do not know the laws for animal abuse in that state. But say hypothetically they are tried as adults and get 5yrs in jail (not gonna happen, but just hypothetically). These boys are KIDS. Thrown in jail with hardened criminals, murderers, wife abusers, etc. Those boys would be taken advantage of and probally beaten. What do you think they'd be like when they got out????????

That is what it seems like most people want... lock em up, punish them, get revenge, etc.

Those videos made me sick. The sad thing is, I've seen alot worse done by adults in feed animal rearing, pig barns, cattle, chickens. (animal abuse is just that, animal abuse no matter what the animal is).

I am in no way saying they should get off. I'm saying the reasoning behind why they did it, needs to be discovered.

If these boys have no pyscological issues, no abuse history, no severe anger issues and just did this for fun, ok, then I agree that they should be locked away for a very long time. BUT, more people who abuse animals do so because they have pyscological issues.
post #62 of 76
9/10 when they abuse animals they move onto humans.

Sorry, but when i see pictures or read stories like this i really have no feelings whatsoever for them, and therapy is the last thing i'd give them.

Bang them up for life as far as i'm concerned, because it's a far softer price to pay for what i would do to them

What have the parents said in all this?.
post #63 of 76
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
What have the parents said in all this?.
I really would like to know what the parents have to say about this. I know the Glenn family should be banned from ever having a pet again.
I'm sure that with all the info that has been given on this family they are feeling the rath of the situation and rightfully so.
post #64 of 76
I don't want them to get beaten, or harmed, however... The way the case is setup right now, the only thing they might get is community service and probation... This is not good enough. Apparently their parents are BIG in OK, and that's one reason why these boys have never been punished with anything... They are used to have daddy buying their way out of consequences.
I am sorry Chris, but this is really not enough for me. If they don't give them an adult trial, AT LEAST they should go into a Juvenile facility.
Chris - this is not the first time they do this.... It was horrible what they did, but besides that, their behavior showed a complete lack of respect for life in general.
The way that their family deals with these issues, are very different from the way your parents dealt with yours... They do not face the consequences of their actions, at all... Consequences are bought up, smashed and thrown under the rug. How are they supposed to learn?? How can this situation be of any example for the other animal abusers out there?
They are not representing themselves anymore - they are representing the animal abuse in general now.
I agree they need help - but NOT at the streets as though nothing happened...
The world is very simple - action and reaction - action and consequences.
Have you seen the videos in its completion? Both of them?
I tell you - you will not think of these two as kids... nope. It is very scary to think what they can do.
As far as the fear of what they are going to do when they come out of the system after being bullied in there.... Well.... Have you though what they are FOR SURE going to do if they face no consequences for their actions? If they grow up with the image that daddy can erase everything?
post #65 of 76
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I am sorry Chris, but this is really not enough for me. If they don't give them an adult trial, AT LEAST they should go into a Juvenile facility.
Chris - this is not the first time they do this.... It was horrible what they did, but besides that, their behavior showed a complete lack of respect for life in general.

In no way did I say they shouldn't be punished. I think they should be persecuted to the full extent of the law, but I also think they need pyschological help.


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I agree they need help - but NOT at the streets as though nothing happened...
The world is very simple - action and reaction - action and consequences.
Have you seen the videos in its completion? Both of them?
I tell you - you will not think of these two as kids... nope. It is very scary to think what they can do.
Again, I never said that they shouldn't be punished. Yes, I've watched both videos, and yes I still think of them as troubled kids. THat is my opinion. Unfortunately I've seen alot worse in the documentries of how feed animals are treated, how animals are treated in different countries (not just feed animals, dogs and cats too).

In NO WAY am I saying there is anything good in this situation...what they did was wrong, no debating that. Yes, there should be consequences, but the issues as to "why" they did this need to be addressed as well.

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As far as the fear of what they are going to do when they come out of the system after being bullied in there.... Well.... Have you though what they are FOR SURE going to do if they face no consequences for their actions? If they grow up with the image that daddy can erase everything?

Again, I did not say they shouldn't be punished.

If they don't get the psych help while being punished, then odds are they will just do it again, or even worse. Which is what scares me.... the "what if" they don't get the help they obviously need?

The sad thing is that whether they are tried as adults or juvies, animal cruelty charges are usually a slap on the wrist type of punishment. (if anyone can point me to someone who's recieved a good punishment for an animal abuse/cruelty charge, please let me know... I've only seen people getting under a year, and no psych help). I wish it were different, I really do. A recent case here, the animals got taken away and I believe the owners got a fine. To me, that accomplishes nothing. Yes I believe anyone who abuses anyone, whether it be people or animals, deserves jail time. In the case of animals, I "would like to see" (meaning in a perfect world) jail time, mandatory psych counselling, and followup after discharge.

Does that help explain my position?

Bottom line, I think these kids are a dispicable excuse for human beings, and as much as my heart says I would like to beat them as they did to Dusty, I have to seperate thinking with my heart vs my brain. Just straight punishment won't stop him from doing it again, some psych help along with the punishment might, just might, solve/help his mental issues that made him think this incredible act of cruelty was funny.
post #66 of 76
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Originally Posted by Snake_Lady View Post
In no way did I say they shouldn't be punished. I think they should be persecuted to the full extent of the law, but I also think they need pyschological help.




Again, I never said that they shouldn't be punished. Yes, I've watched both videos, and yes I still think of them as troubled kids. THat is my opinion. Unfortunately I've seen alot worse in the documentries of how feed animals are treated, how animals are treated in different countries (not just feed animals, dogs and cats too).

In NO WAY am I saying there is anything good in this situation...what they did was wrong, no debating that. Yes, there should be consequences, but the issues as to "why" they did this need to be addressed as well.




Again, I did not say they shouldn't be punished.

If they don't get the psych help while being punished, then odds are they will just do it again, or even worse. Which is what scares me.... the "what if" they don't get the help they obviously need?

The sad thing is that whether they are tried as adults or juvies, animal cruelty charges are usually a slap on the wrist type of punishment. (if anyone can point me to someone who's recieved a good punishment for an animal abuse/cruelty charge, please let me know... I've only seen people getting under a year, and no psych help). I wish it were different, I really do. A recent case here, the animals got taken away and I believe the owners got a fine. To me, that accomplishes nothing. Yes I believe anyone who abuses anyone, whether it be people or animals, deserves jail time. In the case of animals, I "would like to see" (meaning in a perfect world) jail time, mandatory psych counselling, and followup after discharge.

Does that help explain my position?

Bottom line, I think these kids are a dispicable excuse for human beings, and as much as my heart says I would like to beat them as they did to Dusty, I have to seperate thinking with my heart vs my brain. Just straight punishment won't stop him from doing it again, some psych help along with the punishment might, just might, solve/help his mental issues that made him think this incredible act of cruelty was funny.
I absolutely agree that they need psych help ALONG with the punishment... I am pretty sure they will have that...

Funny that you asked about a case of punishment for Animal abuse - It just so happens that his was posted in the petition a few minutes ago:

"9 minutes ago Sandra Bravo: In Fulton County, Atlanta, GA, the Moulder brothers were prosecuted and convicted as adults for torturing and killing a puppy. They were teenagers at the time of the crime. They have 10 years to serve on prision. Please contact DA Paul Howard in Fulton County to read more about this case. These people are sociopaths. Their next target will be a person. You better stop them now. Thanks!:

I agree with you Chris - I thought you were talking about no punishment, just psych help... Sorry about the my friend
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
I absolutely agree that they need psych help ALONG with the punishment... I am pretty sure they will have that...

Funny that you asked about a case of punishment for Animal abuse - It just so happens that his was posted in the petition a few minutes ago:

"9 minutes ago Sandra Bravo: In Fulton County, Atlanta, GA, the Moulder brothers were prosecuted and convicted as adults for torturing and killing a puppy. They were teenagers at the time of the crime. They have 10 years to serve on prision. Please contact DA Paul Howard in Fulton County to read more about this case. These people are sociopaths. Their next target will be a person. You better stop them now. Thanks!:

I agree with you Chris - I thought you were talking about no punishment, just psych help... Sorry about the my friend
no probs at all That's why I tried to clarify my stance

It's good to hear about the sentence above. It's sad that so many abusers of any sort just get a little slap.
post #68 of 76
Have you noticed that it's almost to 5000 signatures???
post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by Whisky'sDad View Post
Have you noticed that it's almost to 5000 signatures???
5,008!!
post #70 of 76
Signature #5003, though when I started writing up mine, it was at #4999, and when I hit enter, it was at #5004.
post #71 of 76
I'm laying here in tears. It makes me so mad that someone could do such a thing to a sweet, innocent animal. God Bless little Dusty. I pray that he ends up in a good, loving home and that he's able to live a happy life. I'm so angry right now. I couldn't watch the videos, but just hearing about what they did was enough. I'm glad to have signed the petition and I hope they get what they should.
post #72 of 76
I just signed the petition and I was 8,700+
post #73 of 76
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Originally Posted by PookieBoy View Post
I just signed the petition and I was 8,700+
Now, if there could be plenty of protesters Unfortunately, unless there is some sort of political and/or economic impacts, their family will probably get them off oh-so-easy...and the atrocities will continue
What makes their actions so scaary is that they did it in this society, where it is known that it is a bad thing to hurt pets!!!! When a person does it out of ignorance, such as the "ordinary practices" of meat animals, then there is a chance that they can be educated, and it's a cultural thing. But these juvenile monsters obviously have sociopathic tendencies IMO, they need severe consequences PLUS counseling because they WILL continue to perpetrate unless this cycle is somehow broken.
post #74 of 76
I haven't heard of any updates on the case. Has anyone else?
post #75 of 76
Dunno about the perp(s), but Dusty & Patches seem to be doing well:

News Article

Local News video on YouTube

Looks like they'll be in new homes soon.
post #76 of 76
That is FANTASTIC news!

Glad to hear that they are going to furever homes! I just hope the kids don't get off of the hook, or a slap on the wrist :/
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