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http://www.centredaily.com/463/story/1110786.html

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Obama Selects 'Worst CEO of 2008' to Economic Advisory Panel, Says the Free Enterprise Action Fund (Ticker: FEAOX); How Does Running GE into the Ground Qualify CEO Jeff Immelt to Help Steer Nation in Time of Crisis, Mutual Fund Asks
Free Enterprise Action Fund
WASHINGTON, Feb. 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — President Obama's selection of GE CEO Jeff Immelt as a member of his economic advisory panel raises questions about the panel's financial acumen, competence, and patriotism.

"Immelt's selection can't be based on his performance as CEO or loyalty to our country," said Tom Borelli of Action Fund Management (AFM), the investment adviser to the Free Enterprise Action Fund (Ticker: FEAOX), a publicly-traded mutual fund. Immelt was ranked as one of the Five Worst Non-Financial-Crisis-Related CEOs of 2008, by the FEAOX in December 2008.

"Under Immelt's leadership, GE's share price has dropped to 14-year lows and has underperformed in both bull and bear stock markets," said Borelli. GE Seems to be facing its own economic crisis brought about by Immelt:
You have got to be kidding me. Immelt, the dude that thinks it is quite ethical to do business with terrorist countries, like Iran. The guy that has run GE into the ground, on Obama's Economic Advisory Panel.

Oh, good grief, what is Obama thinking?
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
http://www.centredaily.com/463/story/1110786.html



You have got to be kidding me. Immelt, the dude that thinks it is quite ethical to do business with terrorist countries, like Iran. The guy that has run GE into the ground, on Obama's Economic Advisory Panel.

Oh, good grief, what is Obama thinking?
It sounds like he's thinking that he needs people on his Economic Advisory Panel.
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On top of the fact that the panel will be assisting in making policy decisions. HUGE conflict of interest.
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It would seem Warren Buffett disagrees with your opinion of GE.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26976416/

Personally I think Buffett has more credibility on the issue.
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I am not to keen on U.S. companies or any companies doing business with countries that want to kill us and wipe all Jews off the face of the Earth, but that is just my opinion.

My main point is, Immelt has driven GE to the brink of ruin and Barack puts him on his Economic Advisory Panel. Immelt shouldn't be advising anyone of anything IMO.
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Anyone ever hear the old adage - keep your friends close but your enemies closer?
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]My main point is, Immelt has driven GE to the brink of ruin and Barack puts him on his Economic Advisory Panel. Immelt should be advising anyone of anything IMO.
And my point is I think Warren Buffett is a better judge of this and he obviously disagrees.
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So, you are saying, by Buffet investing and helping GE that means that Buffet really thinks that Immelt is an "ace" CEO that knows his stuff and that really is running GE great?
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So, you are saying, by Buffet investing and helping GE that means that Buffet really thinks that Immelt is an "ace" CEO that knows his stuff and that really is running GE great?
Uh, well, Yeah!

If he thought Immelt was running GE into the gound why on earth would he invest so heavily in it? The purpose of inventing in a company is to get a good return on your investment. Buffett is obviously confident that his money is in good hands with Immelt at the helm. I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to explain this to you. Surely you know it????
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I thought it was common knowledge that Immelt has run GE into the ground.

My word, that is obvious. Look at their stock
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I thought it was common knowledge that Immelt has run GE into the ground.

My word, that is obvious. Look at their stock
Have you been living under a rock?? The stock market crashed! The stock of a lot of very fine companies has tanked right along with the stock of not so fine companies. It's a fabulous opportunity to buy the stock of good companies at bargain basement prices! You are familiar with the concept of "buy low, sell high", right???

I really think you need to do some Investment 101 research.
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Excuse me, there is no need to be rude.

Immelt has run GE into the ground before this economic crisis happened my friend.
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Excuse me, there is no need to be rude.

Immelt has run GE into the ground before this economic crisis happened my friend.
I'll be sure to email Buffett with that news. Apparently he somehow missed it.
post #14 of 35
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/24068119/ From April 08

IMO, Immelt is a very poor person to sit on an Economic Advisory Panel.
I wouldn't trust him to run a car wash.


(No offense to any car wash owners)

Plus, Immelt collaborates with terrorist countries and defends that practice to this day.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4009540.shtml
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Plus, Immelt collaborates with terrorist countries and defends that practice to this day.
Note the date on this first link is 2005:

http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.ph...k=view&id=1393

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"Senior management and the board decided in mid-December to discontinue taking new orders because of uncertain conditions relating to Iran," said Gary Sheffer, executive director of communications and public affairs at GE.
http://www.ge.com/news/our_viewpoints/iran.html

And from '08:

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GE doesn't do business in or with Iran. Due to the developing circumstances there, the concerns of our shareholders, and our view of our corporate responsibilities, GE and its board decided in 2005 to stop doing business in Iran.
post #16 of 35
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Yes, I am aware that GE stopped doing business with Iran due to the huge public outrage.

It doesn't, IMO, change the fact that they DID do business with Iran, knowing full well Iran is a terrorist state and Immelt STILL defends the fact that GE did business with Iran.
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Yes, I am aware that GE stopped doing business with Iran due to the huge public outrage.

It doesn't, IMO, change the fact that they DID do business with Iran, knowing full well Iran is a terrorist state and Immelt STILL defends the fact that GE did business with Iran.
You are obviously unaware that Halliburton has also done buisness with Iran. You know, Halliburton? The company the VP of your beloved GW Bush was CEO of?
post #18 of 35
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Ahhhhh, so now we spin this to Cheney? Nice try.

FTR, I don't think Dick Cheney should sit on the Economic Advisory Panel either.
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Ahhhhh, so now we spin this to Cheney? Nice try.

FTR, I don't think Dick Cheney should sit on the Economic Advisory Panel either.
No spin. Just pointing out your double standard.

You've blasted Obama for appointing Immelt to an advisory board because of his companies past dealings with Iran. Yet you apparently have no problem with Bush having appopinted Cheney as his Vice President despite a similiar "flaw" in his backgroud.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134836,00.html

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While he headed the Houston-based oil services and construction company, Cheney strongly criticized sanctions against countries like Iran and Libya. President Clinton cut off all U.S. trade with Iran in 1995 because of Tehran's support for terrorism.

Cheney argued then that sanctions did not work and punished American companies. The former defense secretary complained in a 1998 speech that U.S. companies were "cut out of the action" in Iran because of the sanctions.
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Yes, and as I said, I do not want Cheney on any EAP also. I think I said that a few posts back. That was double standards on Cheney's part.

But, for the record, in the interest of total fairness, it wasn't Halliburton, it was their foreign subsidiaries. But, still that is nit picking. Even though legal, immoral IMO.
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Yes, and as I said, I do not want Cheney on any EAP also. I think I said that a few posts back. That was double standards on Cheney's part.
You're evading the issue. You blasted Obama for appointing Immelt to an advisory board and yet you have always supported Bush full stop despite that he selected someone with a similar background to the far more sensitive position of Vice President. Whether Cheney is guilty of a double standard is irrelevant. What is relevant in this discussion is your double standard.

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But, for the record, in the interest of total fairness, it wasn't Halliburton, it was their foreign subsidiaries. But, still that is nit picking. Even though legal, immoral IMO.
With Cheney's full knowledge and support. He was the CEO.
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Have you been living under a rock?? The stock market crashed! The stock of a lot of very fine companies has tanked right along with the stock of not so fine companies. It's a fabulous opportunity to buy the stock of good companies at bargain basement prices! You are familiar with the concept of "buy low, sell high", right???

I really think you need to do some Investment 101 research.
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I'll be sure to email Buffett with that news. Apparently he somehow missed it.
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It would seem Warren Buffett disagrees with your opinion of GE.

Personally I think Buffett has more credibility on the issue.
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And my point is I think Warren Buffett is a better judge of this and he obviously disagrees.
My, this a testy little thread! And we've gone from Warren Buffett to Dick Cheney...how did that happen, I wonder?

When did Warren Buffett become the last word on the subject of Jeffrey Immelt? Buffett's an incredibly wealthy man who got that way by making, for the most part, good business decisions. However, being that this is still America (at least for a little while longer), even us common folk get to voice opinions and ask questions. You know, that whole freedom of speech thing.

Not everyone is convinced that Immelt is a wise choice for the Economic Recovery Advisory Board. I've read good things about Obama's other picks, Bill Donaldson, and Martin Feldstein (who worked for, gasp, the Reagan Administration). But there is no denying that under Immelt GE's share price has dropped to 14 year lows in both types of markets (bull and bear). Presiding over the 75% decline in GE stock isn't exactly the kind of credential you'd think Obama would be impressed by.

Could it be something else? Maybe a little payback for services rendered? MSNBC is a subsidiary of GE. If you'll recall, during the campaign, MSNBC was more than just a little kind to candidate Obama. Olbermann and crew were outright Obama cheerleaders and proceeded to tear apart first Hillary Clinton, and later, John McCain.

Now MSNBC, and by extension, NBC and CNBC can continue to cheerlead for Obama and his policies; for example, the so-called Stimulus Bill.

Sound crazy? I don't know - if Immelt can't lead his own company out of an economic quagmire, how is he capable of getting the US out of one?

But not to worry... Warren Buffett likes GE and Jeff Immelt. That's all we need to know.
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My, this a testy little thread!
Interesting you choose to see disagreement as "testy".

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And we've gone from Warren Buffett to Dick Cheney...how did that happen, I wonder?
As I have made clear it isn't about Cheney. It is about the criteria for criticism that has been used.

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When did Warren Buffett become the last word on the subject of Jeffrey Immelt? Buffett's an incredibly wealthy man who got that way by making, for the most part, good business decisions. However, being that this is still America (at least for a little while longer), even us common folk get to voice opinions and ask questions. You know, that whole freedom of speech thing.
Apparently you are of the opinion that doesn't include me!
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Sound crazy? I don't know - if Immelt can't lead his own company out of an economic quagmire, how is he capable of getting the US out of one?

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That is my point, I'm glad you saw it KTLynn. Thank you.
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Sound crazy? I don't know - if Immelt can't lead his own company out of an economic quagmire, how is he capable of getting the US out of one?
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That is my point, I'm glad you saw it KTLynn. Thank you.
If Obama is only allowed to appointed CEOs of companies that aren't currently in a "economic quagmire", he's going to have a mighty short list to choose from.
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Why does Obama have to appoint CEO's to the Economic Advisory Panel?
Is that a rule?
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Why does Obama have to appoint CEO's to the Economic Advisory Panel?
Is that a rule?
Of course not! But I can just imagine the skewering he'd get from his critics if he didn't considering how much the economic recovery depends on the recovery of business. It's natural that the group would include a least a couple of business leaders. Last I heard, the CEOs of Xerox and Time Warner were also included.
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I don't agree with anyone that has a current financial interest in any Company being on any Commission of anything.
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I don't agree with anyone that has a current financial interest in any Company being on any Commission of anything.
You certainly have a right to that opinion.
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It would seem Warren Buffett disagrees with your opinion of GE.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26976416/

Personally I think Buffett has more credibility on the issue.
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And my point is I think Warren Buffett is a better judge of this and he obviously disagrees.
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Uh, well, Yeah!

Buffett is obviously confident that his money is in good hands with Immelt at the helm. I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to explain this to you. Surely you know it????
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Have you been living under a rock?? The stock market crashed! You are familiar with the concept of "buy low, sell high", right???
I really think you need to do some Investment 101 research.
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I'll be sure to email Buffett with that news. Apparently he somehow missed it.
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Interesting you choose to see disagreement as "testy".
Disagreements can be discussed politely. This has not been a polite discussion. To anyone reading your responses to ckblv, especially those highlighted above, it's clear that:

a) her opinion doesn't matter, because Warren Buffett has invested in GE and is obviously more "credible", "is a better judge" and "disagrees" with her. You continually hammer this fact by citing Buffett in 3 separate posts each time she attempts to express her opinion.

b) you have no patience nor respect for ckblv's opinion as evidenced by remarks such as "Have you been living under a rock?" and "I really think you need to do some Investment 101 research", among others.

So yes, "testy". But I was being polite. Rude and sarcastic is more like it.

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As I have made clear it isn't about Cheney. It is about the criteria for criticism that has been used.
I agree, the thread isn't about Cheney at all. Doing business with Iran is not the sole issue being discussed in regard to Immelt's appointment. Ckblv has stated her opinion on it twice already. But it's a nifty little diversion from the real issue which is whether appointing a man who has tanked his company and may have conflict of interest problems is a wise choice to be an economic advisor to Obama.


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Apparently you are of the opinion that doesn't include me!
Wrong. I did not do to you what you did to ckblv. In no way did I try to "shut down" your opinion or belittle you for having a particular opinion.
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