What the......?

I am sure it is no surprise to anyone here that I plan one day in the future maybe to get into breeding (space/time/finances allowing of course!) and have been putting a fair amount of effort into learning about the breeds I am considering for the future, but to try to start out in the current economic climate would be impossibly difficult IMO.

I do think it's because (some) people see it as a way of making a bit of cash in hard times - it does however take calm level-headed explanation and education to dissuade people who may be considering it for the wrong reasons though, so I would urge patience when responding to any queries - in my experience telling people they should not be doing something can often inspire a more hard-headed stubbornness if people feel that they are being patronised.

Originally Posted by Pami

Are you just against breeders in general? There are many reputable breeders who do sell their kittens because they are worth it for a high price.

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Oh no, not at all... I agree with responsible breeders who do it for the love of the breed, and breed accordingly with the standards... I've noticed however, several posts that looked like BYB-wanna be...No love for the breed, no interest in betterment of the species accordingly to the standards, etc. As an owner of 2 rescued pure bred ragdolls, one of the which was close to be euthanized, and another who was clearly mistreated by the breeder, I have created a much bigger respect for reputable and responsible breeders, and dislike for BYB...

Originally Posted by carolinalima

Oh no, not at all... I agree with responsible breeders who do it for the love of the breed, and breed accordingly with the standards... I've noticed however, several posts that looked like BYB-wanna be...No love for the breed, no interest in betterment of the species accordingly to the standards, etc. As an owner of 2 rescued pure bred ragdolls, one of the which was close to be euthanized, and another who was clearly mistreated by the breeder, I have created a much bigger respect for reputable and responsible breeders, and dislike for BYB...

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I find you can't always tell everything from a post on here and until I met the breeder or spoke to them, I wouldn't put them down as a BYB or BYB-wanna-be.

They may just have a specific question they want to ask on here and already have discussed / thought out the rest.

Originally Posted by icklemiss21

I find you can't always tell everything from a post on here and until I met the breeder or spoke to them, I wouldn't put them down as a BYB or BYB-wanna-be.

They may just have a specific question they want to ask on here and already have discussed / thought out the rest.

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That's why I said "looks like BYB-wanna be"... I did no say they were, or were not. That is my opinion only...

To me a BYB-wanna be sounds like they aren't even at the level of BYB but worse and unlike many BYB at least these people care enough to come and ask questions

Originally Posted by icklemiss21

To me a BYB-wanna be sounds like they aren't even at the level of BYB but worse and unlike many BYB at least these people care enough to come and ask questions

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BYB wanna be, in the contest I posted, means they are not breeding yet, and their posts raised reg flags to me, as explained in my posts prior to this one you quoted. Nothing to do with being inferior to a BYB. Again, this is my opinion, and as such, it will vary from others' opinions. We are all entitled to opinions.

I have also noticed this. I think it is because everyone assumes you make money breeding animals. They don't think about the quality behind the animals and the countless time and dedication that goes into making them healthy in mind and body, along with lots of money as well. Morals and ethics play a huge role too, if a breeder is breeding, they should be trying to better the breed and taking obvious steps to do that IMO and that is not easy or cheap and takes years to gain the knowledge. I am always explaining this to friends and family, breeding is not a get rich quick thing. They don't understand. I thought it was common sense They thought I was crazy for not breeding my Sphynx. If you animal is intact or is registered you need to breed the cat right? I like this place because people understand... and help educate people about better breeding. The cats deserve this and I really admire and respect all our responsible cat breeders It isn't easy. And is more of a lifestyle than anything else I have observed.

Originally Posted by icklemiss21

Our adoption prices are $145 so not overly cheap with how the economy is

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I just paid $98 for a spay
$25 for lukemia/distemper vaccines..

$123 right there.. not including rabies vaccine, worming or leukemia tests.

This also doesnt include treatment for fleas, mites, minor infections, etc that animals also often have...

$145 for a fully vetted cat is a deal.

Originally Posted by icklemiss21

at least these people care enough to come and ask questions

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True that... I do see alot of people who breed their animals then ask questions later.. even more frustrating is the ones who decide to ask questions when their pet is in labor!

I wish we only paid $98 for a spay here, even the low cost clinic which is also 2 cities away costs $122 for a spay and you have to do FVRCP and rabies vaccs first. So yes it is a deal for a fully vetted cat, but with the economy the way it is, I would have thought people just wouldn't take it to a vet and go the cheapest route possible.

I just think we shouldn't be insulting people who are coming to ask questions when so many people don't ask and don't care enough to ask. After rescuing from the horrid conditions of real BYB the people coming here to ask are better than the horrible conditions with people who don't care and I have a lot more respect for them than someone who keeps a cat in a cage (the size of a medium cat carrier) outside with all 6 of its kittens.

the vets here do require rabies also.. If I didnt have proof that her rabies was UTD, I would have had to pay another $10 for that.


I got GREAT deal on Gozer when I got her spayed.. one rescue here has some kind of spay/neuter programs for ferals, barn cats, and for if you are taking in a stray.. they were running a special on their package and for $65 she was spayed, leukemia test, all vaccines, including rabies, flea treatment and ear cleaning.

I do also agree with not insulting people who ask... although I dont think anyone here intentionally meant to insult anyone.

Not everyone knows what breeding entails.. they dont always realize there's a right and wrong way.. most just think you put 2 registered purebred animals together and wait for babies!

We all had to learn somewhere.

I also don't think anyone means to insult people but if people do come here and get a bad vibe from the people they are asking for help, they aren't going to ask and so make the same mistakes we all complain about all the time.

Originally Posted by nekkiddoglady

most just think you put 2 registered purebred animals together and wait for babies!

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Most don't even know they need to be registered or purebred.

As for people not coming back, I have seen time and again they just go to forum after forum until someone (foolishly) gives them the answers they wanted to hear.

Originally Posted by missymotus

Most don't even know they need to be registered or purebred.

As for people not coming back, I have seen time and again they just go to forum after forum until someone (foolishly) gives them the answers they wanted to hear.

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Some people only think that registration papers are because the pups/kittens are worth more if they have papers! Ive seen people ask how they can get papers for their unregistered and mixed breed animals because they need to get papers on the offspring!


I have seen people ask about breeding on other forums with the notion of making a profit.. they get mad when they are told there's no profit to be had.. they try to justify that it was an "accidental" breeding, or that they are breeding for family or friends.. ussually the person who gives them the answers they want is another BYB.


I did not read all of the posts here, but Im sure some who are asking are wanting to learn and do things responsibly... they may not be fully aware of how much work and expense it is, nor may they realize that there's no profit to be had, but again, we all learn somewhere.. just be glad they are asking first, before they breed their animals!


Insulting is not the best tactic to use. Often when people are insulted they get this attitude of "Well, I'll just show you and do what I want to do anyways".. unfortunantly, the animals are the only ones who suffer for it.

Originally Posted by nekkiddoglady

Insulting is not the best tactic to use.

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I don't think I've seen any posts of anyone being insulting

I dont think anyone was intentionally being insulting.. not here anyways.

I have seen other forums where people asked questions and they were given rude answers and automatically called a back yard breeder and told to spay/neuter their "poor quality POS animals" - yes Ive seen people go so far as to tell someone that their pet-quality animal was a POS!


I think one person did get abit insulted tho, as they made a post apologizing for being a "troll".

Originally Posted by nekkiddoglady

I dont think anyone was intentionally being insulting.. not here anyways.

I have seen other forums where people asked questions and they were given rude answers and automatically called a back yard breeder and told to spay/neuter their "poor quality POS animals" - yes Ive seen people go so far as to tell someone that their pet-quality animal was a POS!


I think one person did get abit insulted tho, as they made a post apologizing for being a "troll".

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Well, I'm the one who mentioned trolls, because let's be honest, they show up on TCS. There is a history of it.

Nobody was called out for being one.

no, no one was called out.. but the user evidently thought she was categorized as one of the "trolls" because she was among those who recently posted a breeding question.