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Just mated 8 days ago...

post #1 of 22
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But normally my siamese lady is in heat for almost 2 weeks, howling around the house. She's over 2 yrs old now, and mated for first time on Feb 2&3. Since she's no longer with the stud (another siamese of mine), she hasnt been in heat & has been following me around the house and normally she's very aloof. I know it's too soon to tell, but I'm trying to figure out her change in behaviour. Stud is not spraying right now either.
This is first time (and likely last) that I've tried to breed.
Her behaviour is odd, even my husband has noticed it. She wants to make sure I'm in her sight or beside her at all times, but she doesnt want to be pet.
Any insight?
post #2 of 22
Around 3 weeks after they've mated is the best time to tell if they are pregnant. Her nipples will become bigger, pinker and the fur will probably part from the around her nipples.

At about 4 weeks old her belly will probably get rounder.
post #3 of 22
What style Siamese do you breed?
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by mum2many View Post
Since she's no longer with the stud (another siamese of mine), she hasnt been in heat & has been following me around the house and normally she's very aloof.
Why did you breed from a cat that is aloof?
post #5 of 22
Shambles -- There are many reasons to breed a cat that does not have ideal temperament--especially as temperament is not necessarily based on genetics. Socialization plays a big role. Also, Intact girls are subject to their hormones. Some of my girls are completely different cats depending on if they are pregnant, cycling, or free from both conditions
post #6 of 22
Agree - some of my females had a little "attitude" when breeding - none of their kittens had it, they were sweet kittens. I don't really buy the temperment being passed on - maybe a little, but not that much.
post #7 of 22
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Shambles -- There are many reasons to breed a cat that does not have ideal temperament--especially as temperament is not necessarily based on genetics. Socialization plays a big role. Also, Intact girls are subject to their hormones. Some of my girls are completely different cats depending on if they are pregnant, cycling, or free from both conditions
Thank you for explaining that. It doesn't make sense to me though, you say that temperment is not genetic yet all of these breeds are supposed to meet the standard for personality as well as looks. Is this not correct? If it does not have a genetic basis then why do the vast majority of Siamese act the same?
I am not saying you are wrong, or disagreeing with you, I just do not see how this works if it is not genetic!
post #8 of 22
Unless you've met the vast majority of Meezers, you can't say they all act the same I can't speak for that breed, since I don't have much personal experience with them.

I can speak for the breeds I know; Maus and Vans. And in both breeds, personalities and temperaments vary. Sure, they are similarities across the breed. I've never met a Mau who can pass up a meal. I've also never met a Van who doesn't enjoy drowing various objects in their waterbowl.

I'm not saying temperament lacks a genetic basis. It's just that not everything is based on genetics. The experiences a cat has as a kitten will determine how a cat handles different situations as an adult. THAT is socialization, and it can mean the difference between a fearful or a confident cat.
post #9 of 22
I feel kind of like that personality of each breed is a bunch of BS especially for cats, excepts for maybe bengals and savannahs who do have different personalities. Just after observing my friends cats, one of them had a siamese, one persian, and others i've met....and they all acted like normal cats to me! Well I know most people will say im wrong, and maybe I am, it probably requires some special observation to see the difference in personality of a specific breed...just I haven't been able to see it!
post #10 of 22
I think you might want to go to a cat show at some point and spend some time watching many different breeds being judged. Even in that small amount of time, you will be able to see massive differences between personalities.
post #11 of 22
With Bengals temperament and personality has everything to do with genetics. I have eliminated complete lines of gorgeous cats, because they had attitude and they stamped that "tude" on their offspring, in spite of our best efforts to socialize them to be like our other lines.

I can't speak for other breeds, but I definitely agree that there are huge differences in personality between breeds. One visit to a cat show will confirm that.
post #12 of 22
I'm a meezer lover and I just have to say I've only met 2 nasty-tempered meezers in over 40 years so I don't buy into the "branding" of temperaments that some folks seem to think is true. I'm not a breeder but I firmly believe that socialization/human interaction/handling when the kittens are young play a more important role in temperaments than genetics.
post #13 of 22
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I'm a meezer lover and I just have to say I've only met 2 nasty-tempered meezers in over 40 years so I don't buy into the "branding" of temperaments that some folks seem to think is true. I'm not a breeder but I firmly believe that socialization/human interaction/handling when the kittens are young play a more important role in temperaments than genetics.
You do have to keep in mind that the siamese is a long established breed. Newer breeds need to have the "grumpy genes" removed. Once that happens the gene pool becomes saturated with cats that have a predictable temperament.
So genetics do in fact play a big role.
post #14 of 22
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You do have to keep in mind that the siamese is a long established breed. Newer breeds need to have the "grumpy genes" removed. Once that happens the gene pool becomes saturated with cats that have a predictable temperament.
So genetics do in fact play a big role.
"grumpy genes" - I love it! I'm sure as a breeder you know more about this than I do, I was merely commenting on how I don't buy into meezers being nasty personality cats that the "general public" seem to think they are, like my ignorant neighbour that told her kids that Siamese cats would destroy your house.
post #15 of 22
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Siamese cats would destroy your house.
Given the opportunity a small group of siamese kittens will make a valiant effort at destroying your house. Add in a bengal kitten or two and an Aby and your house will be totally re-decorated by the time you get home from work.

J/K (sort-of)

We have 4 ten week old's in the house right now and they are testing their limits, and our patience.
post #16 of 22
I think their is a distinct difference in personalities between breeds.

Even in a litter of kittens where there is a mix of Persian & Exotic babies - they have different temperaments.

You know the most calmest, laid back cats I've ever met??

Norwegian Forest Cats - all the NFO's I've ever handled/met/judged here in NZ have been just so friendly.
post #17 of 22
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Siamese cats would destroy your house.
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Originally Posted by Kai Bengals View Post
Given the opportunity a small group of siamese kittens will make a valiant effort at destroying your house. Add in a bengal kitten or two and an Aby and your house will be totally re-decorated by the time you get home from work.
I truly believe that the Siamese and Bengal breeds share the common Let's Knock Everything Off The Countertops Just For Fun gene. My Siamese/Snowshoe mix boy loves knocking stuff off of anything of height to get my attention. Both him and my current foster Bengal boy like opening cabinet doors just to hear them slam close, especially right after I go to bed. And the Bengal tries to jump up on anything high whether it's stable or not, which usually results in a crash.

Having Siamese and Bengals in the same household is FUN!!
post #18 of 22
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And the Bengal tries to jump up on anything high whether it's stable or not, which usually results in a crash.

Having Siamese and Bengals in the same household is FUN!!
We've had several clients name their bengals, "Crash".

We used to breed siamese, but never had both siamese and bengals together.
I can only imagine the collaboration that would occur.
post #19 of 22
I have YET to really meet a "mean" Siamese - met some grouchy ones, but never a really mean one.
post #20 of 22
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We've had several clients name their bengals, "Crash".

We used to breed siamese, but never had both siamese and bengals together.
I can only imagine the collaboration that would occur.
Your Aby Baby will be born soon...(pray pray) now, Bengals and Abys - good mix that!
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by mum2many View Post
But normally my siamese lady is in heat for almost 2 weeks, howling around the house. She's over 2 yrs old now, and mated for first time on Feb 2&3. Since she's no longer with the stud (another siamese of mine), she hasnt been in heat & has been following me around the house and normally she's very aloof. I know it's too soon to tell, but I'm trying to figure out her change in behaviour. Stud is not spraying right now either.
This is first time (and likely last) that I've tried to breed.
Her behaviour is odd, even my husband has noticed it. She wants to make sure I'm in her sight or beside her at all times, but she doesnt want to be pet.
Any insight?

I've had experience with pregnant mothers before, and my sister's cat didn't look pregnant until she was 5-6 weeks along. There were many times when I'd doubt if she was pregnant at all. Also, I'm not sure, but I think my cat, Duchess (whom I've already spayed) was pregnant when she was spayed. We spayed her because we gave her 3 weeks to show any signs of pregnancy, and she didn't. But, now that I think about it, I think she was pregnant. After the spaying, she now has a really hard, tight, tummy-tucked belly and cries whenever I pick her up. She goes into 'heat cycles' and follows me around, marking her scent, and howling. I've had many spayed cats before, and she was the first one who acted like this. So, I would at least wait two months before breeding her again.
post #22 of 22
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I have YET to really meet a "mean" Siamese - met some grouchy ones, but never a really mean one.
Siamese (and OSH) are not mean at all as a breed - they are however very opinionated, which means that if they do not like something they will let you know in no uncertain terms, but they are not mean, they are just really vocal alongside being loving and attached and a bit sensitive bless them.

Being a really vocal breed, they will growl more readily than a quiet cat - many people IMO misunderstand this as being mean or grouchy, but it's just that they are very expressive - they will readily vocalise many opinions, good or bad. While many cats will keep silent while experiencing pleasure or displeasure, a Siam/osh TELLS you what s/he thinks. That's not mean or grouchy, it's just the vocal nature of the breed.

For example - Sonic (my little beloved cat who adores me above all else and lives glued to my side) curls up to sleep on my shoulder when I am in bed - when I inevitably shift position, he voices his displeasure at having his sleepy cuddles and warmth disrupted by making grumbling growling noises - because it is his nature as an OSH to vocalise when his sleep is disturbed, where other cats would silently shift position.

Siamese and OSH just come right out and say what other cats are silently thinking In a well raised cat, that's all it is though, just a vocalised emotion But I think part of the reason why Siamese/OSH have a reputation as mean, is because people don't appreciate that the vocal part of their nature also means expression through growling, as well as their superb purrs and yowls. You can't expect them to only be extremely vocal about happy things and stay quiet when they're displeased
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