Originally Posted by Skippymjp
That half is untrue. It could be proven to me, and many, many others, if there was any proof to be had.
Originally Posted by Yosemite
.... Then there are those of us who would truly like to see more proof but alas, that's not likely to happen.
I don't know, it's like
various people have said it in different ways, and some other people here still aren't getting it, and the crux of it is that it doesn't make any difference which faith
you're talking about -- Christianity, Islam, the Flying Spaghetti Monster -- if you can prove
it, then it's NOT faith. Then it's SCIENCE. You can't have an act of faith and proof at the same time. The two are mutually exclusive. When you have proof, then you don't need trust. When you have proof, then you don't need to give up control. When you have proof, then you don't need to believe. When you have proof, then you have nothing at risk.
In order to have faith, it's necessary
HAVE CONCLUSIVE PROOF. In whatever religion. In whatever faith. In whatever belief. So when someone says, well, if there was proof, then I'd believe, I think it's just an excuse to not venture into a place where you can't see, you can't feel, you can't smell, you can't hear your support. A place where you have to have faith
that it's there; a place where you have to believe
it's there. If you can prove that it's there, then it's none of the above.
The day that they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God exists is the day that God really is dead. Because on that day we won't need faith any more. And if we don't need faith we don't need God. But it won't ever happen. He wants us to need Him. He's given just enough evidence so that those who really want to find Him can, but it takes faith to cross the last bridge to Him. He'll never offer conclusive proof. It would make Him irrelevant, I think, because if you don't need faith then you don't need God.