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do you have "chavs" in the USA?
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Maybe so, but I do have to say that is the small minority. It's just unfair to label a large subculture based on a minority behavior.Originally Posted by Snake_Lady
I think it depends on where you are in the worldI'm speaking from my own experiences of the teens local to me and what they believe EMO means. My sis is 15, and she and I are very close. Around here Emo is not just a music and fashion stance, they are heavily involved with self mutilation as well.
I would be interested in knowing more about an EMO teen culture that didn't involve self-harming. I live in London, and I have the same experience of emo teens as snake_lady.
Presumably the ones I've known are 'emo-lite' but as a result I associate emo teens with Linkin Park style 'no one knows my pain, my parents don't understand me, my middle class lifestyle is unbearable, so I'll try to ease the pain by self harming and shopping at Hot Topic'.
I think chavs have come about as a result of a lack of opportunity and ambition. Girls on estates can try to work hard at failing schools, and go on to succeed, or they can doss around, get pregnant and live on benefits. Their children won't know any other way of life, and won't see any reason to. They don't have anything productive to do with their time, so they cause trouble.
I think lack of discipline does have something to do with it, but the wildest child I ever knew used to be beaten with a wire coat hanger, and that did him no good at all.
Sometimes I think the most effective way to change things would be to stop anyone under 21 getting pregnant.
Presumably the ones I've known are 'emo-lite' but as a result I associate emo teens with Linkin Park style 'no one knows my pain, my parents don't understand me, my middle class lifestyle is unbearable, so I'll try to ease the pain by self harming and shopping at Hot Topic'.
I think chavs have come about as a result of a lack of opportunity and ambition. Girls on estates can try to work hard at failing schools, and go on to succeed, or they can doss around, get pregnant and live on benefits. Their children won't know any other way of life, and won't see any reason to. They don't have anything productive to do with their time, so they cause trouble.
I think lack of discipline does have something to do with it, but the wildest child I ever knew used to be beaten with a wire coat hanger, and that did him no good at all.
Sometimes I think the most effective way to change things would be to stop anyone under 21 getting pregnant.
I agree!
Ummmm, nowhere did I label the the subculture anything. I stated:
That is here. I have no idea how other places are....I was speaking of the emo kids in my town, local to me.... and it's not a minority. My sister, is the minority in the sense that she does NOT self mutilate for the fun of it as she knows the issues I have.
I'm just outside of London
I did not intend to cause argument, I was just trying to say that when generalizing about large group of people (i.e. providing a definition of sorts for the term "emo") a more broad ranged definition would probably be better suited. That's all I was getting at.
No probs at all... I was just trying to clarify my wordsOriginally Posted by whiteforest
I did not intend to cause argument, I was just trying to say that when generalizing about large group of people (i.e. providing a definition of sorts for the term "emo") a more broad ranged definition would probably be better suited. That's all I was getting at.
My statement was just that, a statement of what it means here...that's why I posted the links that give a definition
London UK, sorry.Originally Posted by Snake_Lady
I'm just outside of London(unless you are London UK...then I'm pretty far from you LOL)
What we call Emos seem to be much the same everywhere though
I don't think I have seen anyone around here that fits all those points so I will have to say no we don't have them here. We do have the wanna-be ganstas/thugs who tend to wear baggy clothes from Tommy Hilfiger, Sean John, or similar designers and they also wear leather jackets, gold chains and the girls wear tight tops, low-rise jeans and hoops earrings (think J-lo). They sometimes wear baggy hoodies too. As a general rule though they don't wear Burberry! In fact the only people I've seen wearing Burberry around here are "fashionable" type yuppies.
And where did you hear that?.
Just to set the record straight, some of our officers do carry weapons, so please, show some respect and don't insult my country by calling it a "nanny state".
No matter what country, town or state your in theres always going to be problems.
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WOW this has got a few of you going hasnt it!
ok the EMO thing, i have to admit i didnt know about the self harming thing, i just thought it was about music and fashion, but what do i know?
the "nanny state" thing, well i dunoo what to say about that, the uk does have its bad points, i do think were putting up with way too much here, anyone who wants to become a uk resident can just roll on in, and society is falling apart.
someone commented on how some young folks are getting pregnant so early, then their kids are getting into mid-teens and doing the same, and none of them are striving for anything in life, they just live on benefits. and i agree, this is killing the uk, this is the whole "under class" thing i was talking about.
the person from yorkshire who mentioned the poor girl who got killed, i totally know what you mean, i dress slightly differnet to most folks here, but not drastically, but sometimes i dress more to fit in depending on who im going out with, and where im going, just to avoid any confrontation!
but finally "chavs" it sounds like they do exist globally but with slight changes, so it seems there is no escaping them.
ok the EMO thing, i have to admit i didnt know about the self harming thing, i just thought it was about music and fashion, but what do i know?
the "nanny state" thing, well i dunoo what to say about that, the uk does have its bad points, i do think were putting up with way too much here, anyone who wants to become a uk resident can just roll on in, and society is falling apart.
someone commented on how some young folks are getting pregnant so early, then their kids are getting into mid-teens and doing the same, and none of them are striving for anything in life, they just live on benefits. and i agree, this is killing the uk, this is the whole "under class" thing i was talking about.
the person from yorkshire who mentioned the poor girl who got killed, i totally know what you mean, i dress slightly differnet to most folks here, but not drastically, but sometimes i dress more to fit in depending on who im going out with, and where im going, just to avoid any confrontation!
but finally "chavs" it sounds like they do exist globally but with slight changes, so it seems there is no escaping them.
Interesting thread and one most people seem pretty passionate about, as it should be.
However this isn't really a new cultural thing that has just surface in the last few years. There has always been subcultures similar to what you've describes for decades.
The gangs or "chavs" for the now
The stoner's in the 70's and 80"s
The hippie's in the 50"s and 60's
The greasers, the beatniks all the way back to the thug's in the 20's and earlier.
It's part of social evolution that there are always going to be whatever reason those coarser individuals that stand out and makes us wonder where society went wrong.
In a few years it be something else and I am sure it will be something even more bizarre then what we see now...
However this isn't really a new cultural thing that has just surface in the last few years. There has always been subcultures similar to what you've describes for decades.
The gangs or "chavs" for the now
The stoner's in the 70's and 80"s
The hippie's in the 50"s and 60's
The greasers, the beatniks all the way back to the thug's in the 20's and earlier.
It's part of social evolution that there are always going to be whatever reason those coarser individuals that stand out and makes us wonder where society went wrong.
In a few years it be something else and I am sure it will be something even more bizarre then what we see now...
I just want to say that Sophie Lancaster was a goth and not an emo, from what I know about her, she was a pretty happy person
. Emo is generally the new subculture for younger people and it did come from a certain type of music. The kids that are self harming because it is fashionable obviously need help or they wouldn't be needing the attention it brings but yes it annoys me that some of them do this too. They must know that people have generalised and it's given them a bad name.
If I had a kid, I'd rather they were an 'emo' any day, emos are supposed to be more sensitive and caring, generally quieter, bookish etc. When I was younger we had moshers and townies, I dressed like some kind of goth/hippie (odd combination I know) and didn't fit in with either. I guess the moshers then were the emos of now and the townies were the chavs.
I totally agree with this: "Someone commented on how some young folks are getting pregnant so early, then their kids are getting into mid-teens and doing the same, and none of them are striving for anything in life, they just live on benefits. and i agree, this is killing the uk, this is the whole "under class" thing i was talking about." I'm on benefits due to ill health but I have ALWAYS done whatever voluntary work I can, I don't understand why the authorities aren't making these people who don't need benefits give at least something back to society whereas people like me have to fight for their benefits and we do need them.
I've given myself a headache now!
If I had a kid, I'd rather they were an 'emo' any day, emos are supposed to be more sensitive and caring, generally quieter, bookish etc. When I was younger we had moshers and townies, I dressed like some kind of goth/hippie (odd combination I know) and didn't fit in with either. I guess the moshers then were the emos of now and the townies were the chavs.
I totally agree with this: "Someone commented on how some young folks are getting pregnant so early, then their kids are getting into mid-teens and doing the same, and none of them are striving for anything in life, they just live on benefits. and i agree, this is killing the uk, this is the whole "under class" thing i was talking about." I'm on benefits due to ill health but I have ALWAYS done whatever voluntary work I can, I don't understand why the authorities aren't making these people who don't need benefits give at least something back to society whereas people like me have to fight for their benefits and we do need them.
I've given myself a headache now!
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Jupeycat - sorry my thread has got you a headache! i have no problem with benefits for those who need them, its just folks who never bother trying to help themselves, they just rely on hand outs for their entire existance!
its good to see people seem to agree with me on this whole chav thing!
its good to see people seem to agree with me on this whole chav thing!
If i had the chance i'd ban all those stupid baseball caps and hoodies that they wear, not to mention burberry ones
I had a burberry cap years ago for when i was on holiday, then when the chavs made them popular i binned it!
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i know just what you mean Rosiemac, i had a burbery l/s shirt when i was about 17, so way back now, but it was real expensive at the time, and i only bought it as i had seen liam galagher wear one! now im so ashamed of it i dare not even take it to the charity shop!
A chav would snap it up quickly thoughOriginally Posted by jezmondo69
now im so ashamed of it i dare not even take it to the charity shop!
