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post #1 of 14
2/7/09 at 2:23am
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A heterosexual Mormon father of 3 and documentary film maker explains how, through his work and faith, he befriended a Lesbian priest and made his stand against the same-sex marriage ban in California.

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"As a Mormon, I have a responsibility and commitment to listen to my church leaders," he said. "At the same time, listening to my church leaders does not absolve me of the ethical responsibility to listen to the voice of the other."
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-jo...track=ntothtml
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post #2 of 14
2/7/09 at 5:54am
While its fine to "listen" to the other side, it still does not change God's rules. God never changes - he is quite clear where the line is drawn. Man is the one that trys to change God's rules to benefit himself - not to benefit God.
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post #3 of 14
2/7/09 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
While its fine to "listen" to the other side, it still does not change God's rules. God never changes - he is quite clear where the line is drawn. Man is the one that trys to change God's rules to benefit himself - not to benefit God.
Exactly right! Thats why it was so wrong for Paul to write all that stuff changing Gods rules
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post #4 of 14
2/7/09 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by Caleeko View Post
Exactly right! Thats why it was so wrong for Paul to write all that stuff changing Gods rules
what 'stuff' are you referring to?
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post #5 of 14
2/7/09 at 9:39am
What an inspiring story of bravery, integrity, love, and tolerance! Thanks for posting that!
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post #6 of 14
2/8/09 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
While its fine to "listen" to the other side, it still does not change God's rules. God never changes - he is quite clear where the line is drawn. Man is the one that trys to change God's rules to benefit himself - not to benefit God.
Except for the rules on multiple wives, I guess...
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post #7 of 14
2/9/09 at 12:32am
You know it is kind of funny really. How Gods rule is like supposed to never change but all these prophets and angels just keep showing up with something different or new to add. I mean if it never changes why did the angels give Smith new rules in the 1820's?

Come to think of it, why do people ignore the people that say their prophets these days? Is it because if the new rules are something they dont like they think theyre ok as long as they dont know about them?
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post #8 of 14
2/14/09 at 9:25am
Comments about "rules" just show a total lack of understanding of what God is all about. God is about giving. We give ourselves to Him; He gives us everything else. In these discussions about religions, I see this all the time. This religion says do this, that religion says do that. Discussing the merits and demerits of one set of rules versus another set of rules is just irrelevant. You can't get to God by following rules.

The Bible says God is love. Total selfless giving IS love. He gave us His total selfless love; He expects the same in return. We can't earn God's love through following "rules"; we can only accept it as a free gift.
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post #9 of 14
2/14/09 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
While its fine to "listen" to the other side, it still does not change God's rules. God never changes - he is quite clear where the line is drawn. Man is the one that trys to change God's rules to benefit himself - not to benefit God.
But Golden, that isn't true, Jesus changed everything.\\
In the Old Testament God said, "An eye for an eye", Jesus totally changed that by the sacrifice he made for us.

At least that is what I have been taught.
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post #10 of 14
2/14/09 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
Comments about "rules" just show a total lack of understanding of what God is all about. God is about giving. We give ourselves to Him; He gives us everything else. In these discussions about religions, I see this all the time. This religion says do this, that religion says do that. Discussing the merits and demerits of one set of rules versus another set of rules is just irrelevant. You can't get to God by following rules.

The Bible says God is love. Total selfless giving IS love. He gave us His total selfless love; He expects the same in return. We can't earn God's love through following "rules"; we can only accept it as a free gift.
Try telling that to the Vatican, which is back in the business of indulgences.
Urging Millennial Penitence, Pope Is Offering Indulgences




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For Roman Catholics, the year 2000 offers early salvation.
Pope John Paul II announced today that in celebration of entering the third millennium of Christianity, penitents who do a charitable deed or give up cigarettes or alcohol for a day can earn an ''indulgence'' to eliminate punishment on earth or in purgatory. Church officials emphasize that indulgences depend on sincere repentance and are not a loophole for sinners. Still, some liberal Catholics are embarrassed by a practice that seems to offer a shortcut to salvation.
Indulgences are an ancient form of church-granted amnesty from certain forms of punishment, in this life or hereafter, for sin.
For Catholics, a Door to Absolution Is Reopened


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In recent months, dioceses around the world have been offering Catholics a spiritual benefit that fell out of favor decades ago — the indulgence, a sort of amnesty from punishment in the afterlife — and reminding them of the church’s clout in mitigating the wages of sin.
The fact that many Catholics under 50 have never sought one, and never heard of indulgences except in high school European history (Martin Luther denounced the selling of them in 1517 while igniting the Protestant Reformation), simply makes their reintroduction more urgent among church leaders bent on restoring fading traditions of penance in what they see as a self-satisfied world.
Sin, and Its Indulgences
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post #11 of 14
2/14/09 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
While its fine to "listen" to the other side, it still does not change God's rules. God never changes - he is quite clear where the line is drawn. Man is the one that trys to change God's rules to benefit himself - not to benefit God.
It's not a matter of changing 'gods rule' but trying to change the laws. God does not rule the courts.

Can i ask Goldenkitty, i'm not being rude, do you have any bi/gay friends or associates in your life, who you get along with and chat with?
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post #12 of 14
2/14/09 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Try telling that to the Vatican, which is back in the business of indulgences.
Oh, dear. Martin Luther, calling Martin Luther!! Come in Martin!!
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post #13 of 14
2/19/09 at 12:47pm
What a great story; thanks for sharing it.
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post #14 of 14
2/19/09 at 7:29pm
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What a great story; thanks for sharing it.
Agreed! I would love to see his movie.
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