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Need a no fish dry cat food- Sharky?

post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
Since it seems that the pet foods have changed a bit since I last asked, I figured I would just ask this question again . I tried the "only fish oil" dry cat foods and it was a no go (URI, anyone? bah), it's gonna have to be a "no fish at all" food. I am down to 1 1/2 bags of the old formula Roasted Chicken Nutro Max, so I need to get something to start mixing in their food fairly soon (since I have to make sure I can get it in my town...).

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
post #2 of 38
what brands do you have access to ??
post #3 of 38
Thread Starter 
Ummm...anything at Pet Supplies Plus, Pet Supermarket, Petsmart, Superpetz, and Walmart .

Let's see- these are the lists I could find...

Pet Supplies Plus:

Chicken Soup
Diamond
Eukanuba
Friskies
Fancy Feast
Iams
Meow Mix
Natures Recipe
Nine Lives
Nutro Complete Care, Nutro Max
Purina, Purina Naturals
Purina Pro Plan, Pro Plan Selects
Purina One
Royal Canin
Science Diet Natures Best, Science Diet Advanced Protection
Solid Gold
Whiskas

Petsmart:
Authority (12)
Avoderm Natural (5)
Blue Buffalo (13)
Cat Chow (3)
Cat Sip (1)
Fancy Feast (14)
Friskies (2)
Iams (14)
KMR (5)
Max Cat (6)
Meow Mix (4)
Nutro Max (3)
Nutro Natural Choice (11)
Pet Ag (1)
Pro Plan (15)
Pro Plan Selects (2)
Purina (1)
Purina One (1)
Royal Canin (13)
Science Diet (23)
Sheba (1)
SophistaCat (9)
The Good Life (2)
Whiskas (11)

Thanks for your help!
post #4 of 38
It's not on your list but:

Before Grain canned has no fish varieties. (Chicken, Turkey, Quail, Beef)
Before Grain Dry Chicken formula

their site to find a store that sells it: http://www.beforegrain.com/
and you can order it online, free shipping in the US.
post #5 of 38
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Originally Posted by Snake_Lady View Post
It's not on your list but:

Before Grain canned has no fish varieties. (Chicken, Turkey, Quail, Beef)
Before Grain Dry Chicken formula

their site to find a store that sells it: http://www.beforegrain.com/
and you can order it online, free shipping in the US.
If memory serves the 100 meats are for supplemental use only, ie not sole food ..

I am scouring my brain for the brands listed to come up with fish free

for dry
http://www.canidae.com/cats/chicken_and_rice/dry.html but do check the bags as this company is readily changing formulas

http://www.royalcanin.us/products/default.aspx 30/35 fussy cat formula

http://www.royalcanin.us/products/default.aspx
post #6 of 38
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
If memory serves the 100 meats are for supplemental use only, ie not sole food ..
Yes, you are correct of the BG canned. Thanks for mentioning that. I didn't notice that untill you said it and I looked on the can I bought today.

But the dry is a good food.... Both can be ordered online.

ETA: The Before Grain Chicken dry formula is fish free and grain free

It's pricey tho.... dunno what the OP is used to paying.

More fish free foods, again not on your list though:

Natural Balance Duck and pea http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/cat...s/DuckCat.html
Wellness Canned (some formulas)
post #7 of 38
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Originally Posted by Snake_Lady View Post
Yes, you are correct of the BG canned. Thanks for mentioning that. I didn't notice that untill you said it and I looked on the can I bought today.

But the dry is a good food.... Both can be ordered online.

ETA: The Before Grain Chicken dry formula is fish free and grain free

It's pricey tho.... dunno what the OP is used to paying.

More fish free foods, again not on your list though:

Natural Balance Duck and pea http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/cat...s/DuckCat.html
Wellness Canned (some formulas)
for wet, Authority's lamb & rice formula is fish free. it's about $0.60 per 6 ounce can - maybe feed that for wet, since it's pretty reasonable, price-wise. then having to get a pricier kibble isn't as bad.
the RC special formulas can get quite expensive, as well. i looked into taste of the wild, but it's kinda fish-heavy, to me.
post #8 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much everybody! I'll start checking them out .

The 100 meats may be something I needed, and didn't even know to ask for- Meggie has cancer, but is still very hungry (I'm getting them to recheck her blood sugars this week), so the supplements may be something that I could use for her (she's skinny ) .
post #9 of 38
Thread Starter 
Darn. The canned looks okay though .

Before Grain Chicken 1lb Cat, Dry:


Ingredients:
Chicken Deboned, Chicken Meal, Potato Dehydrated, Turkey Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols – a source of Natural Vitamin E), Sweet Potato Dehydrated, Dried Egg, Natural Flavor, Yeast Culture, Dicalcium Phosphate, Lysine, Sea Salt, Alfalfa, Salmon Oil, Choline Chloride, Acai Berry Freeze-Dried, Blueberry Dried, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Rosemary Extract, Taurine, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chicory Root, Marigold Extract, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Copper Amino Acid Complex, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3, Niacin, Lecithin, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Amino Acid Complex, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite.
post #10 of 38
Thread Starter 
Crap, I forgot that I need a urinary tract friendly food too, because of idiopathic bladder inflamation (Bird- also a history of crystals)- anybody know the magnesium content in the Felidae? I couldn't find it in the nutrional facts. I used to feed that, but I switched, and I hope it's not because of that...

*bangs head on computer*


Maybe I'll just cook 'em a chicken and smear it with vitamin paste, lol and *sigh* .

Oh, and I'm used to paying through the nose for pet food, due to all the "issues" they have (current dog and former dog included) *sighs again*.


The Natural Balance Pea and Duck dry looks good, but the can has fish oil. Again, no magnesium content listed, so if anyone knows, it would save me waiting and hoping that they answer my email, lol.
post #11 of 38
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Originally Posted by catsallover View Post
Darn. The canned looks okay though .

Before Grain Chicken 1lb Cat, Dry:


Ingredients:
Chicken Deboned, Chicken Meal, Potato Dehydrated, Turkey Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols – a source of Natural Vitamin E), Sweet Potato Dehydrated, Dried Egg, Natural Flavor, Yeast Culture, Dicalcium Phosphate, Lysine, Sea Salt, Alfalfa, Salmon Oil, Choline Chloride, Acai Berry Freeze-Dried, Blueberry Dried, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Rosemary Extract, Taurine, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Chicory Root, Marigold Extract, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Copper Amino Acid Complex, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3, Niacin, Lecithin, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Amino Acid Complex, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite.
D'ohhhhhhh. Sorry. I thought there was no fish in it.... blah.

Well, if you can get your hands on the canned, it wouldn't be bad to supplement with.

No idea on the mag content of Felidae, but the dry I have has fish in it.

Maybe the Authority one plus the canned Before Grains would be good.

What about trying raw? Is that an option for you?
post #12 of 38
Thread Starter 
Unfortunately, raw is not an option. Meggie has cancer, so I would be nervous about getting ahold of germs she would be wouldn't be strong enough to fight off.

I read the Chicken and Rice Felidae on the computer, and didn't find fish. However, since they changed the Dog food (Canidae) with no notice , I will have to check it in the store.

*Goes to check Authority One(?)*

Thanks.
post #13 of 38
I have a strictly no-fish boy who eats both dry and canned.

What seems to be working for us is:

Natural Balance Duck and Green Pea for dry kibbles, and

Avoderm Select Cuts Chicken canned. - Petsmart
Blue Wilderness Chicken or Turkey canned. - Petsmart


It's amazing how many canned and dry foods actually contain some form of fish. All three of my cats love this combination of food. Even the picky eaters.
post #14 of 38
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Originally Posted by catsallover View Post
Unfortunately, raw is not an option. Meggie has cancer, so I would be nervous about getting ahold of germs she would be wouldn't be strong enough to fight off.

I read the Chicken and Rice Felidae on the computer, and didn't find fish. However, since they changed the Dog food (Canidae) with no notice , I will have to check it in the store.

*Goes to check Authority One(?)*

Thanks.
Ahhh gotcha.

The Felidae I have is the Cat and Kitten Formula, so not the same as the one you found.

Do let us know what you end up finding....It would be nice to know what fish free foods there are in case anyone else ever needs it
post #15 of 38
Whoa! Nutro Max has a new formula (w/ fish)?! That's what I'm feeding my cats at present...and I just bought a new bag.... *sigh*

I can help w/ wet foods... friskies has a line of "special diet" wet foods that are supposedly good for UTI / urinary health (they have similar ingredients and % to the perscription SD formulas). The beef & liver, beef & chicken, and turkey & giblets pate varieties are fish free...and cost like .40 on sale if you can get them

The regular foods...the "mixed grill" and "country dinner" are fish free, I think and you can get the mixed grill in a 13 oz can for cheap...I pay like .70 for it. Those are just the pate kind, I didn't look up the shredded /etc. as mine won't eat it.

Other fish free wets...NB duck/pea, chicken / liver, venison/pea
Authority lamb & rice
By nature 95% meat cans...the chicken / turkey, chicken, and beef formulas
EVO 95% meat cans...all of them

I'll have to rethink my dry food choice if Nutro Max now has fish oil in it. I'd hate to be giving them UTI friendly wet and UTI unfriendly dry.

As a side note, mine all loved the duck/pea dry by natural balance. It ain't cheap, but you can get coupons and petco often has it on sale.

Art

EDIT the NB duck/pea and ven / pea cans DO have salmon oil. But, the chicken /liver pate does not. Also, I couldn't get mine to touch felidae dry w/ a ten foot pole. That company will send you samples if you contact cust. serv.
post #16 of 38
We're also feeding the Natural Balance pea and duck dry formula. We also feed them EVO 95% meat canned (any flavor), and Wellness Chicken or Beef & Chicken flavors.
post #17 of 38
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by artgecko View Post
Whoa! Nutro Max has a new formula (w/ fish)?! That's what I'm feeding my cats at present...and I just bought a new bag.... *sigh*
It had fish oil in it when I read it several months ago when they changed the formula. Boy, would I love to go back and read that they had taken it out! . I bought about 5 or 6 bags of the old formula on clearance, and have been storing it in rubbermaid tubs (the dates are still good too ).

Quote:
I can help w/ wet foods... friskies has a line of "special diet" wet foods that are supposedly good for UTI / urinary health (they have similar ingredients and % to the perscription SD formulas). The beef & liver, beef & chicken, and turkey & giblets pate varieties are fish free...and cost like .40 on sale if you can get them The regular foods...the "mixed grill" and "country dinner" are fish free, I think and you can get the mixed grill in a 13 oz can for cheap...I pay like .70 for it. Those are just the pate kind, I didn't look up the shredded /etc. as mine won't eat it.
I did find these! I have to go to several different stores around here to get a variety (the things I do for my cats, lol). I'm glad to know that there is truth in advertising on those cans . Mine will eat the shredded and pate, but not the "chunks". Go figure.

I'll have to look up the By nature around here. I think our Petco may have gone under (it's a couple of cities over)...I hope not!

Audiocat- I'll look for these (Avoderm Select Cuts Chicken canned and Blue Wilderness Chicken or Turkey canned) at Petsmart!

whiteforest- I guess I'll have to try the Duck and pea! Thanks for the other suggestions too- I'm making a list .

Snake_Lady- I will most definitely let everyone know what I end up with! Maybe it will save someone else a long search and a lot of bag reading .

Thanks for all the help everyone!
post #18 of 38
Andee, there is a store in Pelham and one in Helena that sells raw and premium foods, have you been to those?
post #19 of 38
Thread Starter 
Nope, I haven't! Thanks! Do you know the names?
post #20 of 38
Also ........ Pet Supplies Plus on Greensprings told me he would order me whatever I wanted, I would just call him and let him know. I havent been there for a few years since we moved, but thats also an option maybe at the one near you.
post #21 of 38
In Pelham, its Alabama Pet Foods .......

http://www.merchantcircle.com/busine...c.205-664-9266

In Helena, its Hound Dog.....(these are the ones that sell raw for dogs and cats.

http://birmingham.citysearch.com/profile/37574508/

Both supply to dogs and cats, too.
Alabama Pet Foods will order for you, if his supplier can get it.
post #22 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot!
post #23 of 38
Wow! I used to live in the birmingham area (montevallo) and wish that I had known about those stores when I was there....Not that I had a cat while in school there, but would have been nice to know about it at least.

We don't even have a petsuppliesplus in the area I live now...so it's grocery store, walmart, petsmart, or petco. I order the "fancy" cans i.e. EVO, by-nature, NB online from petfooddirect and buy the cheap stuff locally.

catsallover- They sell some of the by nature products at petsmart. I saw the organic version of their 95% meat cans there a couple weeks ago and got 2 for my cats to try. You could do that, then order some online if they like them (they are way cheaper online if you use the coupon to discount shipping and order at lot at once).

I'll have to check my bag of Max and see if it has the oil in it or not.

Art
post #24 of 38
Thread Starter 
Oh that's too funny! I went to U of M from '89 to '92, lol! I was an art major! Things have changed sooo much since then!

I'll check the by nature there- thanks for the by nature online tip .
post #25 of 38
You didn’t mention a Costco in your area but that’s also not your typical pet food place.

I feed my guys Kirkland Signature Maintenance Cat Chicken & Rice Formula. I have a friend with a Costco card so I just go with her whenever I need dry food (its sold in 25 lb bags for $16).

I didn’t see any fish ingredients but I couldn’t find a list online so I typed up the label. I don’t know anything about Urinary Tract needs, but it isn’t marked as Urinary Tract friendly.

Ingredients:
Chicken, chicken meal, whole grain brown rice, ground white rice, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), natural chicken flavor, flaxseed, potassium chloride, salt, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, methionine, choline chloride, taurine, dried chicory root, zinc proteinate, vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, zinc sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, biotin, potassium iodide, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine, hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

Magnesium is 0.1% Maximum

I hope you find something that works for everyone very soon!
post #26 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks! We have a Costco about 25 minutes from the house, but I don't know if I know anyone with a card (my bff had one, but doesn't now).
post #27 of 38
I didn't see anybody list California Natural Chicken and Rice Flavor... The only con is that it's on the hard side to find. I'm in a major metropolitan area and have found only 2 pet supply stores that carry it. But it's cheaper to order online if I can find some coupons to cover the cost of shipping.


Ingredients: Chicken, Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Chicken Fat, Sunflower Oil, Flaxseed, Natural Flavors, Taurine, Vitamins/Minerals.
post #28 of 38
Neat!
I went from 00 - 05 - BFA in art (drawing concentration)
Then 05 - 06 MEd in education (art K-12).

Was Dr. Scot Meyer, Prof. Scot Stevens, Ted Metz, and Prof. Procter there when you went?
post #29 of 38
SHARKY
Hi
I have a sensitive bellied maine coon 7 months
he is on [after transitioning off hills i/d ]
before grain chicken dry and natural balance can duck and pea

are there other limited ingredient[fishless best] cat foods out there
Id like to add a new food without causing stomach problems
as you well know every food it seems has fish ingredients
he is tolerating the fish oil
post #30 of 38
I am glad he is tolerating fish oil .. that will make it easier

California natural make a chicken and rice

Natures variety has a few that are fish free ( I think)

there are more just not on the top of my head ( some foods make kitten and senior fish free_
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