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Drum major resigns after email and phone slams

post #1 of 54
1/29/09 at 4:37am
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It takes some bitter petty sore losers to get upset over something like a band leader waving at the president and do all sorts of phone calls and emails to get him fired. He didnt get fired but like resigned over it

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/27/ina...on.drum.major/
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post #2 of 54
1/29/09 at 7:59am
I think those are the same people who spend all day commenting on videos on youtube. Some people have nothing better to do with their lives than to try to make other people miserable, or stick their nose into someone else's business. The situation was between him and his company, and it was dealt with. Some people have too much time on their hands I guess.
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post #3 of 54
1/29/09 at 8:00am
One just has to read through these IMO threads to realize there are indeed many sore losers and if Obama proved he could walk on water he would still be much maligned.
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post #4 of 54
1/29/09 at 8:11am
Yes, and I could say the exact same thing when President Bush was elected and re-elected. The conservatives don't control the market on sore losers.
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post #5 of 54
1/29/09 at 8:17am
Representatives from the group did not return calls from CNN. But bandleader Mike Engle told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that Coleman was suspended because he ignored military protocol.

"We had gone over and over time and again with everyone in the band that this was a military parade," Engle told the newspaper. "Protocol and proper decorum had to be followed at all times. Unfortunately, John chose to ignore that."

Coleman had been suspended from the band for six months.

He chose to resign after he was suspended. He made a decision to go against their procedures, and was punished. If he couldn't handle the effects of his actions, he maybe should have thought about them more carefully.

This is not unlike the bus driver refusing to drive the bus with the atheist ads. He made a choice to act.

Why doesn't anyone see this is about his personal responsibility? Why do the commenters and emailers have to be blamed? I tell you, when people can't be held accountable for their own actions, things have really gone down the drain.
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post #6 of 54
1/29/09 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by Caleeko View Post
It takes some bitter petty sore losers to get upset over something like a band leader waving at the president and do all sorts of phone calls and emails to get him fired. He didnt get fired but like resigned over it

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/27/ina...on.drum.major/
Ummm, the OP is misleading as from what I originally heard in the news AND
from the article linked, it was NOT sore losers that got this guy in trouble, he did it to himself and he got in trouble himself with what he did. It looks to me like there was no nasty emails or blogs or anything UNTIL the dude had been suspended. I think the nasty emails and blogs and all are cruel, mean and stupid, but I also think it is wrong to post a thread making it look like people who did NOT vote for Barack got this guy in trouble, because that is not true.

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Representatives from the group did not return calls from CNN. But bandleader Mike Engle told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that Coleman was suspended because he ignored military protocol.

"We had gone over and over time and again with everyone in the band that this was a military parade," Engle told the newspaper. "Protocol and proper decorum had to be followed at all times. Unfortunately, John chose to ignore that."

Coleman had been suspended from the band for six months.
Then others come along, read the link and still blame this on "sore losers"
I don't think that is right.

I think we can all agree that there is much hate out there, much cruel, heartless and disgusting stuff on the internet and it is written by icky people that are conservatives and liberals.

FTR, I think it is wrong that he was suspended but he broke their rules not mine.
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post #7 of 54
1/29/09 at 8:45am
Cindy, get outta my head.
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post #8 of 54
1/29/09 at 9:59am
A 6 month suspension for waving seems a bit excessive.

Here's another story that says the complaints were about Coleman waving.

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/8680
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post #9 of 54
1/29/09 at 11:12am
A snip from your link NOva

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Bandleader Pipe Major Mike Engle of Cleveland Heights said that other pipe bands complained about Coleman's behavior, and that he violated proper decorum required of a military parade.
What I am saying is, it was not the, "sore losers" that got him suspended.
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post #10 of 54
1/29/09 at 11:24am
I don't think I understand. He waved at the president and was suspended? Ummmm sense when is it a crime to wave at people?
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post #11 of 54
1/29/09 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Emy4cats View Post
I don't think I understand. He waved at the president and was suspended? Ummmm sense when is it a crime to wave at people?
It was against the code of conduct for the group he was representing. Whether we agree with the code or not is just our opinions, but he knew the rules. It was a military parade.
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post #12 of 54
1/29/09 at 11:54am
Ok that makes alillte more sense. He might have done it with out thinking. I know for me if I make eye contact with someone it is natural to give a nod or a wave. If he broke the rules he broke the rules and needs to own up to his actions. Wether I agree with it or not its how the world works.
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post #13 of 54
1/29/09 at 12:38pm
The sore losers thing cracks me up. I'm presuming this was an inaugural parade, right? Who actually believes that most of those "sore losers" even watched that?? I saw the headline, but didn't load the video because it takes too long with my dial up. I assumed he actually did something disrespectful, like flipped him off or something. He waved? Hail to the Chief! &
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post #14 of 54
1/29/09 at 12:57pm
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What I am saying is, it was not the, "sore losers" that got him suspended.
I didn't mean my link to be about "sore losers". (ETA: What is the sore loser stuff about? ) I was just confused about which comments were the ones that made him want to resign- ones that he shouldn't have waved (unhappy band members maybe?), or ones that he shouldn't have been suspended (unhappy public).

The first article makes it seem that he left because of comments regarding his suspension (the band was getting angry communications for having suspended him?), and the article I cited makes it seem that he left because of comments regarding the actual waving (something about his fellow band members not wanting him back?).

Am I reading the articles incorrectly, or do they both have a different spin on the story? (I wouldn't be surprised if I misread as I seem to be easily confused today!)
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post #15 of 54
1/29/09 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
The sore losers thing cracks me up. I'm presuming this was an inaugural parade, right? Who actually believes that most of those "sore losers" even watched that?? I saw the headline, but didn't load the video because it takes too long with my dial up. I assumed he actually did something disrespectful, like flipped him off or something. He waved? Hail to the Chief! &
Thats what I was thinking! I thought there was a word left out. Like he waved his middle finger or he waved a sign.

Whatever he knew the rules and didn't follow them. Thats life, even if it seams really dumb.
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post #16 of 54
1/29/09 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Ummm, the OP is misleading as from what I originally heard in the news AND
from the article linked, it was NOT sore losers that got this guy in trouble, he did it to himself and he got in trouble himself with what he did. It looks to me like there was no nasty emails or blogs or anything UNTIL the dude had been suspended. I think the nasty emails and blogs and all are cruel, mean and stupid, but I also think it is wrong to post a thread making it look like people who did NOT vote for Barack got this guy in trouble, because that is not true.



Then others come along, read the link and still blame this on "sore losers"
I don't think that is right.

I think we can all agree that there is much hate out there, much cruel, heartless and disgusting stuff on the internet and it is written by icky people that are conservatives and liberals.

FTR, I think it is wrong that he was suspended but he broke their rules not mine.
No one said anything about him getting in trouble He knew what he did wrong and got suspended for it and he didnt argue about it. But he resigned because of all the stuff they were getting from the sore losers!

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The band has been inundated with phone calls, e-mails and messages on its Internet pages -- almost all of them critical -- since the story first broke on Monday, Rybka said.
He didnt even disagree with being suspended he quit because he didnt want to be a problem to the band any more, which was being caused by the sore losers

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"It's come to a point where I don't want embarrassment anymore between the pipe band and myself," Coleman, who is a firefighter, told WEWS on Tuesday.
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post #17 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Why doesn't anyone see this is about his personal responsibility? Why do the commenters and emailers have to be blamed? I tell you, when people can't be held accountable for their own actions, things have really gone down the drain.
He took personal responsibility and accepted being suspended. But he resigned later because the sore losers just couldnt let it go
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post #18 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:21pm
It's actually enlightening to read all of this. Many of the same people that were asking "where is the tolerance", and commenting about how "mean and angry" gays and gay supporters were when a theater director resigned because of Prop 8 protests are perfectly fine with a Drum major resigning because of "sore loser" protests about him waving at the President.
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post #19 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by Caleeko View Post
It takes some bitter petty sore losers to get upset over something like a band leader waving at the president and do all sorts of phone calls and emails to get him fired. He didnt get fired but like resigned over it

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/27/ina...on.drum.major/
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
One just has to read through these IMO threads to realize there are indeed many sore losers and if Obama proved he could walk on water he would still be much maligned.

I think it was these posts that made the erroneous remark that "sore losers" got the guy suspend, when actually no one even knew about this until he had been suspended so it could not have been the sore losers that got him suspended.

Nova posted the link I quoted.
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post #20 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:27pm
I'm a sore loser but I don't think he should have been suspended. I wonder what that makes me.
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post #21 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:30pm
The sore winners are calling for Rush's head for giving his opinion, I am betting he won't resign.

People make awful, hurtful remarks on the internet constantly, this guy did not want to be in the public eye so he is different than Rush, but you have to just blow that stuff off. It is hard I'm sure. But the mean people win when you give in to them and quit.
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post #22 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I think it was these posts that made the erroneous remark that "sore losers" got the guy suspend, when actually no one even knew about this until he had been suspended so it could not have been the sore losers that got him suspended.

Nova posted the link I quoted.
I still cant find anything about anyone saying sore losers got him suspended. I thought really I pretty much covered that in my other post saying it was the sore losers that wanted him fired that made him resign. I posted all that already
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post #23 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I'm a sore loser but I don't think he should have been suspended. I wonder what that makes me.
I dont know really because I think being suspended was probably what he deserved because he broke the rules. I dont see though how it was any of those other peoples business when they had already taken care of it
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post #24 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:40pm
When, for whatever reason, you come in public eye, weirdo's crawl out of the wood work.

Look at Joe the Plumber, look what happened to him just for having the audacity to ask Barack a question and getting mentioned by McCain in the debate. The man's life was turned upside down, state government officials did unauthorized checks on him, people got fired over it and he took a bad beating in the press. The sore winners didn't care about Joe.

But Joe persevered, he didn't let the mean spirited people beat him and he ended up as a war correspondent in Israel.
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post #25 of 54
1/29/09 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
The sore winners are calling for Rush's head for giving his opinion, I am betting he won't resign.
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
When, for whatever reason, you come in public eye, weirdo's crawl out of the wood work.

Look at Joe the Plumber, look what happened to him just for having the audacity to ask Barack a question and getting mentioned by McCain in the debate. The man's life was turned upside down, state government officials did unauthorized checks on him, people got fired over it and he took a bad beating in the press. The sore winners didn't care about Joe.

But Joe persevered, he didn't let the mean spirited people beat him and he ended up as a war correspondent in Israel.
It just looks to me as if the drum major actually cared about the people around him and in his life. The two shining examples that you mention appear to have the advantage of not caring about anyone but themselfs, something that might be a common ailment with those types. That does make things much easier Im sure
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post #26 of 54
1/29/09 at 4:22pm
I can see why you would think that about Rush Caleeko, but why would you say something like that about Joe the Plumber? What did he ever do besides ask a question of Barack. Barack came to his neighborhood.
You don't know one thing about Joe the Plumber to say he doesn't care about anyone. But since he is a conservative he is an uncaring person, is that it?

Some people like to make really rash statements about people that they don't even know. For all I know the drum major guy is a real creep, I have no way of knowing, but since I have no way of knowing I wouldn't say that.
You have no way of knowing what kind of person Joe is either.
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post #27 of 54
1/29/09 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I can see why you would think that about Rush Caleeko, but why would you say something like that about Joe the Plumber? What did he ever do besides ask a question of Barack. Barack came to his neighborhood.
You don't know one thing about Joe the Plumber to say he doesn't care about anyone. But since he is a conservative he is an uncaring person, is that it?

Some people like to make really rash statements about people that they don't even know. For all I know the drum major guy is a real creep, I have no way of knowing, but since I have no way of knowing I wouldn't say that.
You have no way of knowing what kind of person Joe is either.
Why do you keep trying to change every subject to conservatives, plumbers or Obama?
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post #28 of 54
1/29/09 at 5:28pm
Just using Joe the Plumber as a comparison to the Drum Major. That is apples to apples to me as neither one of the them are bad people, they did nothing wrong they didn't ask to be thrust into the public eye.

They both were on the receiving end of bad comments (I am taking your word for it on the Drum Major as I haven't read much on him) but JTP was slammed on this forum and many other places for no other reason than asking Barack a question and getting mentioned in the debate. Just like this Drum Major did a simple wave and is getting slammed (not here) for it.
Same exact thing, a good comparison IMO.

But then people say JTP doesn't care about people and call him a shining example with the rolling eyes smilie, but he did nothing wrong, why belittle him? I just don't understand that. I wouldn't even think of saying such a thing about the DM.

Both of these guys should not have been treated so badly IMO.

My only thing with this thread is the "sore losers" comments. "Sore losers" means one thing, the election of Barack Obama, so who brought up Obama?
Some sore losers said some mean stuff about the Drum Major, but Drum Major is the one who resigned and Drum Major's boss suspended which got it out there in the public eye in the first place.
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post #29 of 54
1/29/09 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
My only thing with this thread is the "sore losers" comments. "Sore losers" means one thing, the election of Barack Obama
Does it? I thought it meant the other bands that were complaining because they didnt get to wave too.

Is your plumber in a band?
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post #30 of 54
1/29/09 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
One just has to read through these IMO threads to realize there are indeed many sore losers and if Obama proved he could walk on water he would still be much maligned.
I think this post is about Barack Obama since his name is mentioned and I think your OP was about the election also.

I don't think the sore losers comment was directed at the other band members at all. What did the other band members lose?

But nice spin, I will give you that. You should be a politician
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