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Exposed:The secret animal rights agenda of Americas next regulatory Czar

post #1 of 25
1/20/09 at 9:16am
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I always knew that BHO was a HUGE animal rights supporter, here is even MORE proof
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/3807
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post #2 of 25
1/20/09 at 10:14am
I don't believe in trophy hunters. I actually hate hunting season but understand thinning of the herds(I have to talk to hunters all day long at my job). If the hunters use all the meat and respect the life that was given for them to eat. I don't believe in trapping animals. In my neck of the woods they do that. My husband didn't tell me about the Bobcat and coyote in the back of a mans truck the other day that had been trapped and killed. He knew I would get really upset and say something to the man. I don't like the way they treat livestock. I see what they do to cows where I live and somethings are to much for me to handle. But I am not an extremist like PETA. The American Indian respected the life of the animal they hunted and used every bit of the animal for their survival. That is what I believe in.
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post #3 of 25
1/20/09 at 10:22am
I already wrote my State representatives about this.
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post #4 of 25
1/20/09 at 10:23am
So, this moron wants livestock to have the ability to file lawsuits.
Only in freaking America.
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post #5 of 25
1/20/09 at 10:30am
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I don't support or like trophy hunting either. If you are hunting for food however, that is a different story. I fully support animal welfare, but this animal rights stuff is getting way out of hand. I fully believe, that after 4 years of Obama in office, I will no longer be able to own my cats, because he supports this extremist nonsense.
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post #6 of 25
1/20/09 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
I don't support or like trophy hunting either. If you are hunting for food however, that is a different story. I fully support animal welfare, but this animal rights stuff is getting way out of hand. I fully believe, that after 4 years of Obama in office, I will no longer be able to own my cats, because he supports this extremist nonsense.
I don't like the fact that our law makers are getting into our lives to the extreme that they think they can dictate what kind of animals you can have and how many you can have in your household. I am getting tired of losing my rights as a tax payer in this Country.
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post #7 of 25
1/20/09 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
I always knew that BHO was a HUGE animal rights supporter, here is even MORE proof
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/3807
I find it interesting that Obama hired as his right hand man, a person who named his 2 sons "Beau" and "Hunter". Hmmmm.......

I would take the story more seriously if it wasn't overly speculative and sensationalized. It's taking a leap that Obama chose this person for his views on animal rights, not his other capabilities.

I see Obama bringing people together with very disparate ideas as a balance in policy making, rather than slanting towards any extreme ideas as suggested by the article.
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post #8 of 25
1/20/09 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
I would take the story more seriously if it wasn't overly speculative and sensationalized. It's taking a leap that Obama chose this person for his views on animal rights, not his other capabilities.

I see Obama bringing people together with very disparate ideas as a balance in policy making, rather than slanting towards any extreme ideas as suggested by the article.
If the author of the article could calm their hysteria down, they'd realize that animals, through their human advocates, already bring lawsuits - that is what happens when a person has charges filed against them by a prosecutor for animal-victim crimes such as for cruelty or neglect. Hence, the caption of a case "The People of the State of ----- vs. Name of the Defendant"
Just another case of "spinning". For other fine examples, one can check out some of the most popular (yup, the public loves it) political yarns being spun here:
http://www.factcheck.org/
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post #9 of 25
1/20/09 at 11:35am
What hysteria? The links within the article cite FACTS about the nominee's agenda.
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post #10 of 25
1/20/09 at 12:40pm
Okay, so I read the article. I'm not a fan of PETA or their tactics, but I am very much in favor of animal rights. So from my perspective, this could be a very good thing.

How would we feel if a species came along more powerful than humans and began treating us the way we treat our animals?
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post #11 of 25
1/20/09 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by abbycats View Post
I don't believe in trophy hunters. I actually hate hunting season but understand thinning of the herds(I have to talk to hunters all day long at my job). If the hunters use all the meat and respect the life that was given for them to eat. I don't believe in trapping animals. In my neck of the woods they do that. My husband didn't tell me about the Bobcat and coyote in the back of a mans truck the other day that had been trapped and killed. He knew I would get really upset and say something to the man. I don't like the way they treat livestock. I see what they do to cows where I live and somethings are to much for me to handle. But I am not an extremist like PETA. The American Indian respected the life of the animal they hunted and used every bit of the animal for their survival. That is what I believe in.



Some of Sunstein's ideas are actually good.
I have to say I'm on board with ending greyhound racing and cosmetic testing, and more humane treatment of livestock is long overdue.

I highly doubt he'll end meat-eating any time soon.
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post #12 of 25
1/20/09 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
Okay, so I read the article. I'm not a fan of PETA or their tactics, but I am very much in favor of animal rights. So from my perspective, this could be a very good thing.

How would we feel if a species came along more powerful than humans and began treating us the way we treat our animals?
I don't know about anyone else but I treat my animals very well.
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post #13 of 25
1/20/09 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I don't know about anyone else but I treat my animals very well.
Enforcing the laws we have ensure that happens. Taking away our rights to own animals and produce meat for food is just more government.
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post #14 of 25
1/21/09 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
Okay, so I read the article. I'm not a fan of PETA or their tactics, but I am very much in favor of animal rights. So from my perspective, this could be a very good thing.

How would we feel if a species came along more powerful than humans and began treating us the way we treat our animals?
This is NOT a good thing. These animal rights extremists want nothing more than to remove ALL human contact with animals and this INCLUDES YOUR PETS!!!! If you support the animal rights agenda, you should give up all your animals now, because they do not believe in pet ownership. You may be confusing animal rights with animal welfare. I do support animal welfare. I do not know about you, but I treat my animals very well thank you. I do not need the AR extremists or the goverment telling me how to care for my animals or what I can or can not own. If a species more powerful than humans came along and treated us like I do my animals, the world would be a much better place than it is now
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post #15 of 25
1/21/09 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
This is NOT a good thing. These animal rights extremists want nothing more than to remove ALL human contact with animals and this INCLUDES YOUR PETS!!!! If you support the animal rights agenda, you should give up all your animals now, because they do not believe in pet ownership. You may be confusing animal rights with animal welfare. I do support animal welfare. I do not know about you, but I treat my animals very well thank you. I do not need the AR extremists or the goverment telling me how to care for my animals or what I can or can not own. If a species more powerful than humans came along and treated us like I do my animals, the world would be a much better place than it is now

I don't support extemism in any form, and I agree I don't want government telling me how to treat my pets, but I do think animals should have some rights, which is all I really meant. I'm not saying treat you like YOU treat your pets, but like some of the less caring individuals in the world care for theirs. Or how the ones who end up in testing labs get treated. And yes, by the way, I am a terrible hypocrite because I still do eat some meat and I don't kill it myself.
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post #16 of 25
1/21/09 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
I don't support extemism in any form, and I agree I don't want government telling me how to treat my pets, but I do think animals should have some rights, which is all I really meant. I'm not saying treat you like YOU treat your pets, but like some of the less caring individuals in the world care for theirs. Or how the ones who end up in testing labs get treated. And yes, by the way, I am a terrible hypocrite because I still do eat some meat and I don't kill it myself.
I think what John is saying is give them (animal rights activists) an inch and they'll take a mile. He may be right, I don't know.
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post #17 of 25
1/21/09 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
This is NOT a good thing. These animal rights extremists want nothing more than to remove ALL human contact with animals and this INCLUDES YOUR PETS!!!! If you support the animal rights agenda, you should give up all your animals now, because they do not believe in pet ownership. You may be confusing animal rights with animal welfare. I do support animal welfare. I do not know about you, but I treat my animals very well thank you. I do not need the AR extremists or the goverment telling me how to care for my animals or what I can or can not own. If a species more powerful than humans came along and treated us like I do my animals, the world would be a much better place than it is now
Unfortunately, not everyone treats their animals like you do yours.

You know, Animal Rights sounds like a wonderful organization. I can understand how it is confused with Animal Welfare. What is being done to tell the world the difference?
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post #18 of 25
1/22/09 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
Unfortunately, not everyone treats their animals like you do yours.

You know, Animal Rights sounds like a wonderful organization. I can understand how it is confused with Animal Welfare. What is being done to tell the world the difference?
Unfortunately, not much is being done to explain the difference. The difference can be explained this way. Animal welfare=the responsible humane use of animals. That includes pet ownership to animals used for food. Animal rights=no use of animals, including pets.
Misty, you are not a hypocrite for eating meat. There are many other animals which also eat meat, including our felines. However, as I stated, animals being raised for food should be done so in a caring humane manner. Animals used in labs for testing can be a touchy subject. I don't agree with animal testing when it comes to testing products for human use, such as cosmetics. But, medical research animal testing dose have it's benefits. Without medical testing on animals, our own pets would not receive the great medical care they get today. This goes for humans as well. But, these animals that are used in labs should also be cared for in a manner to minimize any pain or suffering. However, I have always said that medical testing should be done on some of our most horrible prisoners. But many people would frown on that.
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post #19 of 25
1/22/09 at 11:09pm
I have a good friend who is a PETA member, and does campaigning for PETA for things like the farm animals act and things like that. She owns pets and always will. She doesn't judge others for their choices, and does not force her views onto others. I think many PETA members are like that.

I also think that because someone is interested in animal welfare, it does NOT make them a bad person! I think it's great to have a high ranking official who is so interested in animal welfare to balance out all those who are not. I agree with a lot of his viewpoints.

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[T]here should be extensive regulation of the use of animals in entertainment, scientific experiments, and agriculture
I agree wholeheartedly!

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“We ought to ban hunting, I suggest, if there isn’t a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It’s time now.”

Sunstein also argued in favor of “eliminating current practices such as greyhound racing, cosmetic testing, and meat eating, most controversially.”
I agree with the ban on hunting, and don't know much about greyhound racing, I agree with the stop of using animals in cosmetic testing, and I agree that if everyone stopped eating meat it would be good, but I don't plan to stop eating meat - it's too tasty It said he argues in favour of stopping meat eating. I can do the same without actually being a vegan, or a crazy radical.

I certainly am not a radical, but I think he has a lot of good points. He's not going to be able to get anything controversial done on his own, but hopefully he can talk with people about some of the bigger issues.
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post #20 of 25
1/24/09 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I don't know about anyone else but I treat my animals very well.
I bet you do know that many people and industries don't.

Imagine - things like humane farm practices, etc. (particularly with regards to factory farms). That will be awesome.

Why are people complaining on an animal-lovers' site about better treatment of animals? I'm confused.
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post #21 of 25
1/24/09 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat View Post
But, these animals that are used in labs should also be cared for in a manner to minimize any pain or suffering. .
I agree. In an ideal world we wouldn't use them at all, but if animals are to be used for some (and it better be necessary) medical testing, there should be parameters, such as an animal can only be used once; they receive excellent medical and palliative care; and after they are used experimentally, they go to a good home, so that's not all their lives were.

For me a lot of it has to do with the notion that OUR convenience isn't all their lives are about. I accept the food chain; I eat meat (wish I didn't). But I'd rather the animals I eat have lives they enjoyed before they land on my plate, and humane deaths.
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post #22 of 25
1/24/09 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by Brokenheart View Post
I bet you do know that many people and industries don't.

Imagine - things like humane farm practices, etc. (particularly with regards to factory farms). That will be awesome.

Why are people complaining on an animal-lovers' site about better treatment of animals? I'm confused.
For real, the link in the orginial post belongs to a restuarant group that wants more leeway producing food animals. It sound like they just put a new face on it so animals lovers will help them keep standards low for livestock so they can keep doing whatever they want to them.
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post #23 of 25
1/24/09 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by Misty8723 View Post
How would we feel if a species came along more powerful than humans and began treating us the way we treat our animals?
Aren't they already here? I think they're called "bosses."
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post #24 of 25
1/25/09 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by Brokenheart View Post
I bet you do know that many people and industries don't.

Imagine - things like humane farm practices, etc. (particularly with regards to factory farms). That will be awesome.

Why are people complaining on an animal-lovers' site about better treatment of animals? I'm confused.
No need for humane farm practices on factory farms, if you're going to outlaw meat eating (not going to happen, by the way).

The real point here is that PETA is opposed to all "artificial" species, including all dogs and all house cats and all cattle, and thinks they all ought to be neutered and no breeding allowed, so that they will disappear. That doesn't go over well on a cats forum.
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post #25 of 25
1/26/09 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
No need for humane farm practices on factory farms, if you're going to outlaw meat eating (not going to happen, by the way).

The real point here is that PETA is opposed to all "artificial" species, including all dogs and all house cats and all cattle, and thinks they all ought to be neutered and no breeding allowed, so that they will disappear. That doesn't go over well on a cats forum.
I think this is the "extremist" view, and the majority of people that are involved in PETA own pets and are members of PETA because they are animal lovers.
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