Our Doberman Puppy!

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She is ADORABLE
Congrats on your gorgeous new addition. I'm totally in love with her dad, by the way. I've never actually known anyone who owns a Dobe so I've never interacted with them, just admired from afar. They are such a beautiful breed, I'm jealous of you!!
Do share many pics of your lovely little lady growing up okay?
 

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She's adorable but looks like she's gonna be a pretty big girl, which might be a good thing in the show ring.

I'd concentrate on basic obedience, then show training/stacking, etc. and then testing for all the genetic problems with the breed. Then see what happens after the tests and she champions, before you consider breeding.

Good luck in showing - she looks like she would do well.
 

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

She's adorable but looks like she's gonna be a pretty big girl, which might be a good thing in the show ring.
Bigger is not better in the breed and not in the Dobe conformation ring. They are medium sized dogs, which is better for working and more ideal for agility and stamina. The standard states : Dogs 26 to 28 inches, ideal about 27 1/2 inches; Bitches 24 to 26 inches, ideal about 25 1/2 inches
 

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Thanks for the correction - I should have looked up the standard. But I was thinking as in most breeds, the standard is written more for the male then the female. Dogs must be more strict.

A lot of the breeds in cats is geared to the "male" and just mentions "females smaller".
 

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Congratulations! She's such a cutie, and her parents are stunning, especially her father!
 

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I absolutely love Dobes, hopefully I'll be able to have one eventually. Although my dog will have uncropped ears AND a full tail, since both ear cropping and docking tails is now illegal in the UK (became illegal when they outlawed formally declawing on cats as well).

I do prefer the natural uncropped ears though, however from seeing the parents of your gorgeous pup, the breeder goes to a vet that really knows how to do the ear surgery, i.e the ears look good. It's always sad to see badly done ear crops on dogs.

Anyway contrats on the puppy, she's gorgeous and I'm very envious
 
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Originally Posted by carolinalima

Opa! That's good news! You are not going to need to worry for 2 years until she is ready to test.... by then you are going to be completely in love with her regardless of a crooked joint here and there

Enjoy your puppy - she is really really cute! I hope the cats get to love her soon too!
Thanks! She is a bit awkward right now! I started to worry after whitecatlover mentioned her front leg joints. Both of them are sort of funny and she bends them forward when she sits, almost like her front legs are too long for her right now. I did some searching and I found that a lot if not most of the pictures and videos have that funny looking joint. I was looking at puppy into adulthood pictures and they seem to grow out of it by six months.
I'm guessing it's the breed, and growing funny. Our baby horses looked funny and did funny things with their front legs until their back legs caught up, maybe that's what it is with Dobe pups??

Originally Posted by cococat

Your welcome! She is very cute and you are going to have so much fun with her.
you might find a lot of your showing questions answered on the links. You want to start young teaching her the basics, but keep it very short so it is fun
I'm having fun already!!! I did find a lot of information and have a lot of plans for her! I found it's a lot less expensive to show dogs than horses! Thank heavens! To show a horse in a small nothing special show it's about $100 just for one or two classes if you're lucky! I also found out one of my coworkers has a friend that was a professional dog handler that she's going to get me in contact with. They are the people you pay to have them show your dog for you. Of course, I'm showing her myself, but it would be awesome to get some pointers from them! I'm so excited!

Originally Posted by CATTYBIRD

She is absolutely gorgeous!
What a cutie!
Thank you!!


Originally Posted by BabyWukong

She is ADORABLE
Congrats on your gorgeous new addition. I'm totally in love with her dad, by the way. I've never actually known anyone who owns a Dobe so I've never interacted with them, just admired from afar. They are such a beautiful breed, I'm jealous of you!!
Do share many pics of your lovely little lady growing up okay?
Thank you! Her dad is gorgeous! They look up at you and their eyes just cut into your heart. She's too cute, tilts her head at every funny noise


Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

She's adorable but looks like she's gonna be a pretty big girl, which might be a good thing in the show ring.

I'd concentrate on basic obedience, then show training/stacking, etc. and then testing for all the genetic problems with the breed. Then see what happens after the tests and she champions, before you consider breeding.

Good luck in showing - she looks like she would do well.
Hopefully she won't be too big, I only have a two inch margin for error! She wasn't the biggest pup and she wasn't the smallest, other than that, we'll just have to see how she grows up! Thanks for the advice and don't worry! My plans are to show her and see how she does before breeding, and even then only one or two litters. She's not going to be a breeder, she's my baby and hopefully a show/agility dog
Although I'm dissapointed about THE PERFECT champion stud I found for her, he's already 9 years old and there's no way he's going to make it long enough to breed her
Maybe we'll meet some studs in the show ring when she's older!


Originally Posted by cococat

Bigger is not better in the breed and not in the Dobe conformation ring. They are medium sized dogs, which is better for working and more ideal for agility and stamina. The standard states : Dogs 26 to 28 inches, ideal about 27 1/2 inches; Bitches 24 to 26 inches, ideal about 25 1/2 inches
They it is....my two inch margin.

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

Thanks for the correction - I should have looked up the standard. But I was thinking as in most breeds, the standard is written more for the male then the female. Dogs must be more strict.

A lot of the breeds in cats is geared to the "male" and just mentions "females smaller".
Yep, the females have their own set of rules, height, weight, etc.

Originally Posted by babyharley

Congratulations! She's such a cutie, and her parents are stunning, especially her father!
Originally Posted by lovemykitty3

She's beautiful. So are her parents
I love Dobermans!
Thanks! I think so too


Originally Posted by Siggav

I absolutely love Dobes, hopefully I'll be able to have one eventually. Although my dog will have uncropped ears AND a full tail, since both ear cropping and docking tails is now illegal in the UK (became illegal when they outlawed formally declawing on cats as well).

I do prefer the natural uncropped ears though, however from seeing the parents of your gorgeous pup, the breeder goes to a vet that really knows how to do the ear surgery, i.e the ears look good. It's always sad to see badly done ear crops on dogs.

Anyway contrats on the puppy, she's gorgeous and I'm very envious
I hope you get one. I've never seen one with a full tail, uncropped I've seen, but I really like the cropped look. The breeder seems to have an awesome vet because her website has a bunch of past puppy pictures and all their ears are perfect! The breeder really cares about her pups, she has everything docked/cropped, posted, and two sets of shots before letting the pups go.

Originally Posted by WellingtonCats

I never knew Doberman's could have cropped ears - they look gorgeous!

What a lovely pup.
Really? I've hardly ever seen them uncropped! I think they are absolutely gorgeous with their ears cropped. In my opinion they look too much like coon hounds with their ears natural.
 

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It's funny with the tails actually, because Dobes have been bred for so long always with docked tails they haven't been bred for having an identical tail. Now that the pups aren't docked anymore in several countries you're getting dobes with all sorts of tails. Some of them have tails like Dalmatians, others curl them up like a Spitz type dog. Some are short, some are long etc.

The same is happening in pretty much all the breeds that were traditionally docked. I've seen Rottweilers with curled up tails or tails more like labradors etc.

Anyway if you're curious here's a photo of an "all natural" dobermann, full ears and tails: Photo

but yeah, I absolutely love the breed, please post a lot of pictures and tell stories as she grows, it'll be a few years before I can even think about getting one myself
 

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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

Really? I've hardly ever seen them uncropped! I think they are absolutely gorgeous with their ears cropped.
Probably illegal in NZ too, it is here in Aus. I think quite a few countries have banned it, along with declawing cats
 

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I think Dobies with uncropped ears are "cuter" looking. But I disagree on the tail docking. There are some breeds where its better to dock. A lot of field spanials and other field working dogs need to be tail cropped because their natural tails will be damaged and ripped by undergrowth/heavy bushes and I've seen pics regarding why it should be done.

Not a pretty sight with a dog's tail being ripped open and not healing right!
 

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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

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Hopefully she won't be too big, I only have a two inch margin for error! She wasn't the biggest pup and she wasn't the smallest, other than that, we'll just have to see how she grows up! Thanks for the advice and don't worry! My plans are to show her and see how she does before breeding, and even then only one or two litters. She's not going to be a breeder, she's my baby and hopefully a show/agility dog
Although I'm dissapointed about THE PERFECT champion stud I found for her, he's already 9 years old and there's no way he's going to make it long enough to breed her
Maybe we'll meet some studs in the show ring when she's older!
What was the name of the stud you are interested in?
I wouldn't worry too much. There is no way you can know he is the perfect stud for her. She is a young baby. She hasn't had any health testing at all, no titles to tell you more about her either. She hasn't even matured at all mentally or physically. You don't know her movement, her structure, her temperament, her drives, her work ethic, or really much about HER, as a dog on her own merit.

If you are going for a professional handler, make sure they handle Dobermans regularly. They are different than other breeds. Handlers of other breeds usually aren't the best to handle Dobermans if you are serious about the sport. The Doberman ring is very competitive. It is one of the most competitive rings in the AKC with a very high quality all around. Owner handlers can do well, but if you are going to actually pay someone money to show your dog, make sure they regularly show Dobermans and have many years Doberman ring experience before parting with your money. These people are also the best to give you honest real feedback on your dog and their chances in the show ring.

I am glad you plan to do agility with her. Structure, size, speed, stamina, proper conformation, and so much more, all those things are important in an agility dog. Most Dobermans make fantastic agility dogs. You can start now setting foundations, teaching her simple things like watch me, tunnel, etc. Be sure not to do any forced jumping until her growth plates have closed. Around 1.5-2 years of age. Start her in a puppy kindergarten class right away.
 

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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya

I'll keep an eye on it! I understand where you're coming from though. I think the breed has a lower risk for joint/hip problems, but they have REALLY bad genetic problems. Luckily the mom and pop were both tested for them and were negative. Dobermans have genetic thyroid problems, and a genetic blood clotting problem. I can't remember what's it's called, something like.... WVD or VWD something or other.

I'd have to look it up, but I'm at work and I'm getting ready to sleep....don't tell anyone!
But the weather is bad and I'm stuck here for 24 hours till the next shift MAYBE comes in.
Yeah it's vWD, von Willebrands disease. Actually I have a mild form of it. A woman in my neighborhood has Dobermans, she competes with them in obedience (one of them is the #2 Doberman in Obedience in the US) and does animal-assisted therapy with them (she was in the same therapy dog group/same hospital as I took my therapy Golden). One of her dogs has vWD as well.



Originally Posted by Siggav

The same is happening in pretty much all the breeds that were traditionally docked. I've seen Rottweilers with curled up tails or tails more like labradors etc.
I just LOVE undocked Rottweilers. I think their tails are adorable. There was a woman who did dog rescue in my neighborhood, she rescued a pregnant Rottie and she did not have the pups docked. They had the cutest tails... I used to walk a Rottie mix and people who saw us walking always told me I should cut his tail (why?!?)

Here is a Rottie undocked: http://community.webshots.com/photo/...30112775kiqbQO

This page has photos of all sorts of normally docked or cropped breeds with natural ears/tails:
http://community.webshots.com/user/antidockingalliance
 

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Originally Posted by Nekochan

Yeah it's vWD, von Willebrands disease. Actually I have a mild form of it. A woman in my neighborhood has Dobermans, she competes with them in obedience (one of them is the #2 Doberman in Obedience in the US) and does animal-assisted therapy with them (she was in the same therapy dog group/same hospital as I took my therapy Golden). One of her dogs has vWD as well.
It is not really "has" vWD. Do you mean one of her Dobermans is affected? In Dobermans, you can have affected but not clinically affected too, which means some affected Dobermans are not bleeders and don't have problems, for instance, they can be cropped and docked and spayed or neutered and so forth, and then some do have issues from their vWD status. There are three options though, clear, carrier, and affected. They are vWD type I. There are other types.
Here is more about the test done by Vetgen. http://www.vetgen.com/canine-vwd1.html
 

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I always say it that way, as in 'I have von Willebrands disease'. My doctor never corrects me.

As for the Doberman I mentioned, she is affected but it is fairly mild as is mine.
My sister had type 2 I believe, not sure about me.
 

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CONGRATULATIONS! my best friend has a male doberman!! She wanted to show him but he ended up having epilepsy, so he is getting neutered this week. He is the friendliest dog in the world though, and she is going to do rally with him and more obedience.

SHe uses this forum religiously
http://www.dobermantalk.com/

I would go there for all your doberneeds.

Her dog is cropped and docked.

I LOVE the look and I think I would go with it, although the cropping process was not very nice.... docking with dobes I personally think is a good thing, their tails can be deadly!

Anyways you have a beautiful girl! I have no experience showing but I think she is gorgeous
 

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best advice on showing is start early. Teach her to self stack herself, makes it so much easier in the ring. I use to show in the junior show ring. AKC classes are extremely helpful if you have never shown before and even just going to shows in the area are great. You pick up things here and there and even talking to handlers help. Good luck with her, shes gorgeous. Feel free to PM me with any questions, it may take me a few days to get back but i will definately get back.
 

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We had pick of the litter and we got a female because male dobermans are dog aggressive, especially male dog aggressive.
Just as an FYI females have just as much probability of being gender aggressive, if not moreso than males. Male dogs in general if left intact will have problems with other intact male dogs, however most of the time in altered dogs males are usually the more easy going ones.

In terms of showing, the breeder should know if the pup is show quality or not. We have a breeder of Ibizan Hounds that comes into the clinic I work and I'm not sure who you go to, I'm assuming a breeder judge, but all of her puppies were rated show quality [I'm assuming they were looked at in the 8-12 week range]. Of course, she shows her dogs the mom has multiple titles. I would look for a Dobe judge in your area and see if she is even show quality before setting foot in the ring.

She's way adorable tho!

I have to say I'm on the fence personally on the ears/tail. Personally I think Dobermans, Great Danes, and American Pit Bulls look super goofy with floppy ears. But the whole hacking of the ears thing bothers me. So if anything I would purchase a dog that had it done, not do it personally.
 

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Originally Posted by Plebayo

Just as an FYI females have just as much probability of being gender aggressive, if not moreso than males. Male dogs in general if left intact will have problems with other intact male dogs, however most of the time in altered dogs males are usually the more easy going ones.
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She knows what she is talking about when it comes to that issue.

The part I quoted in your reply is very untrue in the particular Doberman breed, this goes for neutered or not.
Talk to any long time responsible breeder and many knowledgeable long time owners, you will hear the same. Many Doberman rescues also won't adopt out to homes with multiple males.
On that same note many have no problems living with multiple females at all. They aren't known for the dog aggression, like the males of the breed.

If you need more info, you can go here and have a look
http://www.kinetic-unity.com/males.html
or here
http://www.dpca.org/BreedEd/QAArchives.htm
 
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