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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya View Post

Really? I've hardly ever seen them uncropped! I think they are absolutely gorgeous with their ears cropped.
Probably illegal in NZ too, it is here in Aus. I think quite a few countries have banned it, along with declawing cats
post #32 of 46
I think Dobies with uncropped ears are "cuter" looking. But I disagree on the tail docking. There are some breeds where its better to dock. A lot of field spanials and other field working dogs need to be tail cropped because their natural tails will be damaged and ripped by undergrowth/heavy bushes and I've seen pics regarding why it should be done.

Not a pretty sight with a dog's tail being ripped open and not healing right!
post #33 of 46
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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya View Post
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Hopefully she won't be too big, I only have a two inch margin for error! She wasn't the biggest pup and she wasn't the smallest, other than that, we'll just have to see how she grows up! Thanks for the advice and don't worry! My plans are to show her and see how she does before breeding, and even then only one or two litters. She's not going to be a breeder, she's my baby and hopefully a show/agility dog Although I'm dissapointed about THE PERFECT champion stud I found for her, he's already 9 years old and there's no way he's going to make it long enough to breed her Maybe we'll meet some studs in the show ring when she's older!
What was the name of the stud you are interested in?
I wouldn't worry too much. There is no way you can know he is the perfect stud for her. She is a young baby. She hasn't had any health testing at all, no titles to tell you more about her either. She hasn't even matured at all mentally or physically. You don't know her movement, her structure, her temperament, her drives, her work ethic, or really much about HER, as a dog on her own merit.

If you are going for a professional handler, make sure they handle Dobermans regularly. They are different than other breeds. Handlers of other breeds usually aren't the best to handle Dobermans if you are serious about the sport. The Doberman ring is very competitive. It is one of the most competitive rings in the AKC with a very high quality all around. Owner handlers can do well, but if you are going to actually pay someone money to show your dog, make sure they regularly show Dobermans and have many years Doberman ring experience before parting with your money. These people are also the best to give you honest real feedback on your dog and their chances in the show ring.

I am glad you plan to do agility with her. Structure, size, speed, stamina, proper conformation, and so much more, all those things are important in an agility dog. Most Dobermans make fantastic agility dogs. You can start now setting foundations, teaching her simple things like watch me, tunnel, etc. Be sure not to do any forced jumping until her growth plates have closed. Around 1.5-2 years of age. Start her in a puppy kindergarten class right away.
post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by EnzoLeya View Post
I'll keep an eye on it! I understand where you're coming from though. I think the breed has a lower risk for joint/hip problems, but they have REALLY bad genetic problems. Luckily the mom and pop were both tested for them and were negative. Dobermans have genetic thyroid problems, and a genetic blood clotting problem. I can't remember what's it's called, something like.... WVD or VWD something or other.

I'd have to look it up, but I'm at work and I'm getting ready to sleep....don't tell anyone! But the weather is bad and I'm stuck here for 24 hours till the next shift MAYBE comes in.
Yeah it's vWD, von Willebrands disease. Actually I have a mild form of it. A woman in my neighborhood has Dobermans, she competes with them in obedience (one of them is the #2 Doberman in Obedience in the US) and does animal-assisted therapy with them (she was in the same therapy dog group/same hospital as I took my therapy Golden). One of her dogs has vWD as well.



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Originally Posted by Siggav View Post
The same is happening in pretty much all the breeds that were traditionally docked. I've seen Rottweilers with curled up tails or tails more like labradors etc.
I just LOVE undocked Rottweilers. I think their tails are adorable. There was a woman who did dog rescue in my neighborhood, she rescued a pregnant Rottie and she did not have the pups docked. They had the cutest tails... I used to walk a Rottie mix and people who saw us walking always told me I should cut his tail (why?!?)

Here is a Rottie undocked: http://community.webshots.com/photo/...30112775kiqbQO

This page has photos of all sorts of normally docked or cropped breeds with natural ears/tails:
http://community.webshots.com/user/antidockingalliance
post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by Nekochan View Post
Yeah it's vWD, von Willebrands disease. Actually I have a mild form of it. A woman in my neighborhood has Dobermans, she competes with them in obedience (one of them is the #2 Doberman in Obedience in the US) and does animal-assisted therapy with them (she was in the same therapy dog group/same hospital as I took my therapy Golden). One of her dogs has vWD as well.
It is not really "has" vWD. Do you mean one of her Dobermans is affected? In Dobermans, you can have affected but not clinically affected too, which means some affected Dobermans are not bleeders and don't have problems, for instance, they can be cropped and docked and spayed or neutered and so forth, and then some do have issues from their vWD status. There are three options though, clear, carrier, and affected. They are vWD type I. There are other types.
Here is more about the test done by Vetgen. http://www.vetgen.com/canine-vwd1.html
post #36 of 46
I always say it that way, as in 'I have von Willebrands disease'. My doctor never corrects me.
As for the Doberman I mentioned, she is affected but it is fairly mild as is mine.
My sister had type 2 I believe, not sure about me.
post #37 of 46
CONGRATULATIONS! my best friend has a male doberman!! She wanted to show him but he ended up having epilepsy, so he is getting neutered this week. He is the friendliest dog in the world though, and she is going to do rally with him and more obedience.

SHe uses this forum religiously
http://www.dobermantalk.com/

I would go there for all your doberneeds.

Her dog is cropped and docked.

I LOVE the look and I think I would go with it, although the cropping process was not very nice.... docking with dobes I personally think is a good thing, their tails can be deadly!

Anyways you have a beautiful girl! I have no experience showing but I think she is gorgeous
post #38 of 46
best advice on showing is start early. Teach her to self stack herself, makes it so much easier in the ring. I use to show in the junior show ring. AKC classes are extremely helpful if you have never shown before and even just going to shows in the area are great. You pick up things here and there and even talking to handlers help. Good luck with her, shes gorgeous. Feel free to PM me with any questions, it may take me a few days to get back but i will definately get back.
post #39 of 46
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We had pick of the litter and we got a female because male dobermans are dog aggressive, especially male dog aggressive.
Just as an FYI females have just as much probability of being gender aggressive, if not moreso than males. Male dogs in general if left intact will have problems with other intact male dogs, however most of the time in altered dogs males are usually the more easy going ones.

In terms of showing, the breeder should know if the pup is show quality or not. We have a breeder of Ibizan Hounds that comes into the clinic I work and I'm not sure who you go to, I'm assuming a breeder judge, but all of her puppies were rated show quality [I'm assuming they were looked at in the 8-12 week range]. Of course, she shows her dogs the mom has multiple titles. I would look for a Dobe judge in your area and see if she is even show quality before setting foot in the ring.

She's way adorable tho!

I have to say I'm on the fence personally on the ears/tail. Personally I think Dobermans, Great Danes, and American Pit Bulls look super goofy with floppy ears. But the whole hacking of the ears thing bothers me. So if anything I would purchase a dog that had it done, not do it personally.
post #40 of 46
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Originally Posted by Plebayo View Post
Just as an FYI females have just as much probability of being gender aggressive, if not moreso than males. Male dogs in general if left intact will have problems with other intact male dogs, however most of the time in altered dogs males are usually the more easy going ones.
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She knows what she is talking about when it comes to that issue.

The part I quoted in your reply is very untrue in the particular Doberman breed, this goes for neutered or not.
Talk to any long time responsible breeder and many knowledgeable long time owners, you will hear the same. Many Doberman rescues also won't adopt out to homes with multiple males.
On that same note many have no problems living with multiple females at all. They aren't known for the dog aggression, like the males of the breed.

If you need more info, you can go here and have a look
http://www.kinetic-unity.com/males.html
or here
http://www.dpca.org/BreedEd/QAArchives.htm
post #41 of 46
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The part I quoted in your reply is very untrue in the particular Doberman breed, this goes for neutered or not.
Talk to any long time responsible breeder and many knowledgeable long time owners, you will hear the same. Many Doberman rescues also won't adopt out to homes with multiple males.
On that same note many have no problems living with multiple females at all. They aren't known for the dog aggression, like the males of the breed.

Everyone tries to say their breed is special... I'm sorry I don't buy it. I've known many and gotten to personally work with a few. Like with any dog same sex pairings are fine as long as a pecking order is established and you don't house two dominant dogs together. Dobermans by nature should not be dog aggressive.
post #42 of 46
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Originally Posted by Plebayo View Post
Everyone tries to say their breed is special... I'm sorry I don't buy it... Dobermans by nature should not be dog aggressive.
Yeah, and the people that wrote the links above know nothing about Dobermans, no matter they are long time breeders, trainers, vets, and owners, some for over 50 years with the breed.
Dobermans are not hounds, bred to live with each other in large groups. They are bred for personal protection of their master and that is reflected in both their structure and their temperament. They are good dogs and obedient. But even at the very least if you read the standard of the breed, dog aggression is not penalized and is even accounted for in the standard towards other dogs.
Dog aggression is more multiple males in this breed alone, not females by any means. I cannot speak for other breeds, they might be different. Most breeds have differences.
post #43 of 46
I know in the Cairn Terrier standard they are not penalized for being fiesty and starting arguments among the males in the ring. Part of the terrier nature.
post #44 of 46
Just wanted to say congrats on the pup!

I'm still hashing over whether I'll be getting a doberman, boxer, or rescue greyhound (when I eventually get a house w/ yard), but right now the doberman is at the top of my list.

As for the ears and tail...I like the look of the cropped and docked doberman (they look too houndy to me w/ the ears and tail on) and I'll probably go with a breeder that has the ears done by their vet before I purchase the pup.

Art
post #45 of 46
I love doberman doggies!!!!
post #46 of 46
I have a red/rust dobe, great dog!!!! Personally it is the only breed of dog I would ever own. Sara has been constant in temperment and never caused an issue. She is docked, but we left her ears natural.

Cute pup!
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