Neutering woes :-(

Originally Posted by threecatowner

When I had a spraying male several years ago, I read somewhere that since cats will supposedly not "pee where they eat" that putting a bowl of food in the spot could deter them. This person I read about had food bowls all over the house, but it eventually worked. (I can't exactly say it worked for me, but I had tiny kids and not the time or wherewithal to be vigilant)

You could try it - particularly for that problem spot by the door. (When I've had peeing cats, they've always chosen the front door, too. WHY?????

I just realized something... you said squatting. That doesn't usually indicate behavioral, as spraying does. That usually indicates a medical issue.

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well he puts is butt in the corner, squats slightly and pees on the wall.

WOW, I tell ya!!

Nothing more enjoyable than coming home from work, only to open the front door and have the acrid smell off piss hit you in the face like a hammer, then look down and see the edges of the carpet shredded..

hes as good as gone, I cant handle him anymore. He needs a home with 24/7 piss patrol and this is not it.

That's too bad. The most common reason for cats to be surrendered to shelters is "inappropriate elimination," and this case is a sad one.

Originally Posted by Wingnutt

hes as good as gone, I cant handle him anymore. He needs a home with 24/7 piss patrol and this is not it.

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Perhaps if you get someone else to clean up while you concentrate on looking for the cause of the spraying and solving it, your handsome boy may not have to lose his home. Spraying is a cat's way of saying he is not content. You have been given quite a lot of good reasons for your cat's behavior. I can't add much but I believe your cat needs your help.

Originally Posted by Wingnutt

hes as good as gone, I cant handle him anymore. He needs a home with 24/7 piss patrol and this is not it.

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There could be a solution here, given some patience.

Has he been to the vet AFTER the spraying started to rule out medical problems?

Have you talked to the vet about a short course of medication to help?

Have you tried some of the suggestions, putting a litterbox there or food bowls?

Have you confined him to a small bathroom with a litterbox, food and water while you are away?

Have you waited a few months to see if the residual hormones are a problem?

Did you clean the area with a "urine cleaner"? www.urineoff.com www.weecleaner.com Any trace of urine left and he will naturally spray again. Not his fault, instinct.


Realize that mrblanche is right about shelters and owners giving up pets. He will live a stressed life in a tiny 18" x 24" cage.

Your first post: "rescued mistreated kitten, concerned.

anywho, a few months back I was in a house on the "wrong side of town", there was kitten there who was not much more than hair and bones. several times during the course of working on the customer's computer I saw them shove the kitten hard with a foot as it got in their way, swear at it.. etc etc.. I offered them $20 for the cat and they were more than willing to part with it."


Looks like you are more than willing to part with him, too. I am so sorry for all you have gone through and do hope you tried all suggestions mentioned and that you tried them long enough to see if they helped.

I havent tried confining him, because I just cant.. seems wrong.

I havent given him a "few months" to calm down because frankly I cant, in 3 weeks he has made life hell, destroyed my carpet, house smells like piss.. I did everything in my power to curb this crap..

take him back to the vet? no.. I called the vet and they told me basically "well sometimes they just do that" I.E. there is nothing wrong and nothing I can do, its just his personality..

I cant put his food and such where he keeps committing the act, as it is physically imposable.. right up against the front door (which opens inward)

as for urine cleaner.. yea, I went through a full gallon of the stuff in a week.. then after that he STILL pissed all over that area.. so I pulled up all the carpet and the pad underneath, so he pissed all over the concrete.. cleaned that.. put the new freshly clean carpet pad in.. he pissed all over that before I could even get the carpet down..

its insane its like, all he does is sleep and destroy the house.. even if he quit pissing, he still claws up and pulverizes the carpet near the front door like hes trying to dig out of Sam Quentin..

mind you this is an apartment, with a $800 pet deposit.. which im sure is screwed at this point..

Im pretty much to the point where Im ready to cut my losses and move on..

and I have NO intention of taking him to a shelter, I will find him a home myself, he will stay will then, as much as he has made me miserable, I cant imagine doing that to him. I will find him a good home, one kids, he will like that , he can spazz out all day long with people to entertain him, instead of being stuck alone wondering "what can I damage today".

Im put out with him, but make no mistake, his position will get better not worse, I cant submit him to what I originally saved him from, that would negate all my efforts and would be asinine.

Maybe he was just meant to be an outdoor cat. Would that be possible where you live? Maybe if he stays outdoors for a while he will decide it's better inside and change.

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Well Im having trouble finding him a new home, perhaps I need help with my ad..



Free To Good Home

Male cat:

Likes peeing on floor and walls

Likes tearing up carpet


Does not like Being picked up.

Does not like Being petted

Does not like being spoken to.

Does not like other people

Does not like other Cats.


Is litter box trained but your floor will work fine.

has been neutered and has had rabies shot, has not been to psychotherapist.


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j/k Hes been getting a LITTLE better, till today when I found poop in the corner, but this is the first time he has EVER dont that so Im going to let it slide (no pun intended)

hes not howling any more at all, and, that I know of has only sprayed by the front door once in the past 2 weeks.

However, his personal war with the carpet near the front door, wages on

Because the howling is declining, I'm willing to bet the hormones are beginning to clear out of his system and therefore his behavior patterns are beginning to change. This is a good thing and will only get better with time.

The peeing and now the pooping issue - not only is that not improving, it seems to be getting worse. Pooping outside the litter box even once is cause for concern.

My suggestion is to put that boy in a single room and keep him there; the smaller the room, the better. He will be pushed by his instincts to keep the area clean, and he'll do that be eliminating in the litter box. Also, buy "Cat Attract" and put it in the litter box and scoop the box every day.

Your boy got into a bad habit before he got neutered and needs to be retrained out of it. Restricting him to a single room is by no means a cruel thing! Trust me!

Concurrent with restricting his space, get him to a vet for a UTI check-up, preferably to someone other than the guy who told you "this happens, you've got no options" (sheez - why do some vets even practice?). That your boy pooped outside the box may very well indicate he thinks he has a reason to avoid it - and since UTI's cause pain during urination, it's a very big red flag.

While you're waiting for the lab tests to come back, and the kitty is unable to get to the front door cause he's staying in his room, pull up the rug and pad and clean the cement, the rug and the pad all with enzyme cleaner one more time.

If you've already tried Feliway, stop using it. If it didn't work, it might be contributing to the problem. It's rare, but occasionally, Feliway causes cats to spray instead of relaxing them.

If you haven't bought any Feliway, by all means, go out and get some.

The advantage of taking these actions are two-fold. You'll give the cat the best chance AND you'll protect your house while you're doing it.

Auntie Crazy just gave you the best advice I've heard in a long, long time. And believe what she said about Feliway - I truly believe my cat started spraying for the first time in his 8 years the day I plugged it in. It's unplugged for about a month now, and the spraying has ALL BUT STOPPED!

Auntie Crazy said it all. Ditto on the red flags. He really can't help what he's going through be it nature with hormones or likely an undiagnosed medical problem. The small room will really help more than you realize. Been there, done that.

I hope you both can get through this soon. I bet he really is a cool guy, like you. You did an awesome thing taking him. Best to you.

This may add fuel to the fire and I haven't read ALL the replies but is getting him a friend an option?

I read about the possibility of a UTI after neutering and have been watching for the signs.. I.E. frequent trips to the litter box, constant cleaning.... etc etc

So far I have not seen anything to tip me off that he has any sort of infection, just just as goofy and spastic as ever, doesent seem to be in any discomfort.. Ive had a UTI before, if a cat one is anything like a human one and he had one, I think I would know it.


the PEEING has actually decreased to a degree.. though not totally, though it hasnt been a full month since he was neutered yet..

Im going to give it 2 full weeks more.. that will make it 5 weeks since neutering.. I know If I take him in tommorrow or something they will just say "well it hasnt been a month yet so there ya go... "

incidentally.. what should I expect to pay to have him checked for a UTI should I decide to do so?.. I have no idea what pet medical crap costs.

Costs will vary depending on vet & area. Call your vet to get an estimated cost. Keep in mind, anti-biotics will probably cost you about $30, should he have a UTI. Here it is $12 for the UTI test. Some vets will also charge for an exam.

Well hes gone, for now..

I caught him pissing in the living room, so as per normal I grabbed him to take him to his litter box, he bit and scratched me SEVERELY.

tossed him outside, if hes still around tomorrow, Ill think about letting him in, if not, oh well. Actually even if he is still around at best I will probably take him to adopt-a-pet. his welcome here is worn out.

Please take the cat to a no-kill shelter so they can find someone that has the patience to deal with this cat's problems. A cat doesn't deserve to be "tossed outside" no matter what the circumstances.

Seriously...pls just take the cat to a humane society or a no kill shelter....

Originally Posted by Wingnutt

Well hes gone, for now..

I caught him pissing in the living room, so as per normal I grabbed him to take him to his litter box, he bit and scratched me SEVERELY.

tossed him outside, if hes still around tomorrow, Ill think about letting him in, if not, oh well. Actually even if he is still around at best I will probably take him to adopt-a-pet. his welcome here is worn out.

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I'm sure you'll understand if no one here finds that solution acceptable, humane, or reasonable. You took on a responsibility, and now you're punishing the cat with what could well be death for your failure to neuter him early enough and your lack of ability to deal with it. At the very least, you should have contacted the shelter where you adopted him for help or a return.

We have cats occasionally with these problems, and we have a "last resort" barn rescue that places such cats in horse barns, etc., provided they have a heated shelter for them at night.

Originally Posted by Wingnutt

Well hes gone, for now..

I caught him pissing in the living room, so as per normal I grabbed him to take him to his litter box, he bit and scratched me SEVERELY.

tossed him outside, if hes still around tomorrow, Ill think about letting him in, if not, oh well. Actually even if he is still around at best I will probably take him to adopt-a-pet. his welcome here is worn out.

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I agree with those who say you should take the poor guy to a no-kill shelter. Throwing him outside and exposing him to a myriad of dangers that he is ill-equipped to deal with is hardly a responsible or humane act. As mrblanche said, you accepted a responsibility to him when you took him in. Whether you decide to keep him or not, it is your responsibility to make sure he ends up in a safe place.