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post #91 of 114
1/30/09 at 9:17am

Some wandering "around" the topic is acceptable, and happens frequently. However, this thread seems to be taking on a personal tone, and not an entirely pleasant one at that.

Please try to keep your posts focused on your opinions concerning the issues and resolutions to them, not on why other people hold the opinions that they have. Let's try to keep the debates mutually respectful
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post #92 of 114
1/31/09 at 3:49am
Yup, that bill is a pork sandwich wrapped with ham and bacon.
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post #93 of 114
1/31/09 at 8:45am


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...e-budget-cuts/

President Obama has demanded a 10% reduction in the defense budget for FY2010, even while we fight a war in Afghanistan and conduct counterterrorist operations around the world. What in the?????

Defense systems provide jobs.

Guess they need the extra money for all those projects in the stimulus.

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post #94 of 114
1/31/09 at 10:29am
Nice counter from the Minority Whip Eric Cantor.

http://republicanwhip.house.gov/blog_012309.htm

Now THAT"s the kind of things that get the economy moving. Not some ATV trail being built, or handing out condoms.
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post #95 of 114
1/31/09 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...e-budget-cuts/

President Obama has demanded a 10% reduction in the defense budget for FY2010, even while we fight a war in Afghanistan and conduct counterterrorist operations around the world. What in the?????

Defense systems provide jobs.

Guess they need the extra money for all those projects in the stimulus.
I have said all along that National Security would suffer if Barack was elected, another case of people not caring about National Security. It's sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE
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post #96 of 114
1/31/09 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Nice counter from the Minority Whip Eric Cantor.

http://republicanwhip.house.gov/blog_012309.htm

Now THAT"s the kind of things that get the economy moving. Not some ATV trail being built, or handing out condoms.
I wonder where the money for all these home buyer credits and stuff will come from after decreasing goverment income by cutting taxes He didnt seem to mention that
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post #97 of 114
1/31/09 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by Caleeko View Post
I wonder where the money for all these home buyer credits and stuff will come from after decreasing goverment income by cutting taxes He didnt seem to mention that
My guess is that it's the political version of "wishful thinking". They would like to see their tax cuts go through, revenue fall, and then leave it to the democratic majority to find things to cut out of the budgets or reduce spending on to make up for the revenue shortfalls. Which, in turn would give them even something more to whine about. If it were a dance, we would call it "The Potomac Two-step".

The way it looks to me, is that neither camp have any real answers. They have tax cuts with no replacement revenue and bailouts with no oversight. All rhetoric and political maneuvering.
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post #98 of 114
2/1/09 at 3:42am
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp
If it were a dance, we would call it "The Potomac Two-step".
You were watching Clear and Present Danger again, weren't you?

If this is their idea of a "stimulus" package I'd hate to see what their idea of a spending bill is. Oh wait...this is a spending bill.
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post #99 of 114
2/1/09 at 3:48am
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You were watching Clear and Present Danger again, weren't you?

If this is their idea of a "stimulus" package I'd hate to see what their idea of a spending bill is. Oh wait...this is a spending bill.
I haven't watched it lately, but that line has always stuck with me

I honestly feel that this is something that isn't really "fixable'. I'm afraid we may just have to let the market do some of those market things, and pick up the pieces when it's over
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post #100 of 114
2/1/09 at 3:51am
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I haven't watched it lately, but that line has always stuck with me

I honestly feel that this is something that isn't really "fixable'. I'm afraid we may just have to let the market do some of those market things, and pick up the pieces when it's over
One of my favorite movies.

I agree with you and I've been saying it for a while that the economy needs to be able to shed it's dead weight so it can recover. I think all the bailouts serve to do is to drag the process out and make it more difficult.
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post #101 of 114
2/1/09 at 7:36am
HOLY.... look what's in the stimulus package.

Payments for Filipinos. Ones that aren't even American citizens.

http://readthestimulus.org/index.php...12709&page=219

I didn't know we were already paying their survivors, that's mind boggling enough. But $9000 for non-citizens, and $15,000 for those that are? How in the heck does that stimulate our US economy???
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post #102 of 114
2/1/09 at 7:58am
How about wasting $17 billion paying above average construction rates?

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Labor/wm2253.cfm#_ftn5

Construction projects paying premium wages for all projects, above the local averages. In a few areas (probably due to cheap labor from non-citizens) the wage is lower than the US minimum wage, but overall is 22% above average. This would allow every American to get $150 each, just off the savings by not using Davis-Bacon wage formulation.
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post #103 of 114
2/1/09 at 8:04am
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This would allow every American to get $150 each, just off the savings by not using Davis-Bacon wage formulation.
So now are you saying you DO want them to just give out the money?
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post #104 of 114
2/1/09 at 8:08am
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So now are you saying you DO want them to just give out the money?
I never said that. I was never for them handing out money to begin with.
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post #105 of 114
2/4/09 at 6:33am
More on the "wish list"... I mean stimulus....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123369271403544637.html

Las Vegas, which by some accounts already glitters, wants $2 million for neon signs.

Boynton Beach, Fla., is looking for $4.5 million for an "eco park" featuring butterfly gardens and gopher tortoises.

And Chula Vista, Calif., would like $500,000 to create a place for dogs to run off the leash.

These are among 18,750 projects listed in "Ready to Go," the U.S. Conference of Mayors' wish list for funding from the stimulus bill moving through Congress.

and

Among entries on Lincoln's list is a $3 million environmentally friendly clubhouse for a municipal golf course. "From a public-perception standpoint, I see how it could be an issue," Mr. MacLean says. But, he says, construction would create 54 jobs.

Shreveport, La., has $2.3 billion in projects ready to go. Mayor Cedric Glover's priority is repairing roads, but he's also asking $6 million for three aquatic centers with water slides, which he says would improve quality of life and create construction jobs.




It's a huge crap sandwich.
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post #106 of 114
2/4/09 at 6:39pm
CNN even reporting on the overall cost of the "stimulus."

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...Q1YmE5ZDI2OTg=

Twice today, CNN has done short segments on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's declaration that

To give the proposed economic stimulus plan some perspective, "if you started the day Jesus Christ was born and spent $1 million every day since then, you still wouldn’t have spent $1 trillion."

Both times they said the claim checked out, the second time with a famous mathmetician (although I think they just needed a calculator).

Christ's birth in year zero one, times 365, times 2009, gets you 733,285,000,000, or a bit over $733 billion. (Yes, I'm leaving out leap years.) You're not even three-quarters of the way there. (Politifact calculates from 4 B.C.)

Yes, the stimulus is less than a trillion—$819 billion in the version passed by the House. But that's still a bigger total than a million a day since the first Christmas.



That should stir things up.
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post #107 of 114
2/4/09 at 6:49pm
I may need to take my place as emperor a little earlier than planned.
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post #108 of 114
2/4/09 at 6:55pm
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I may need to take my place as emperor a little earlier than planned.
I voted for you already. Where's your takeover? We're waiting....
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post #109 of 114
2/4/09 at 6:58pm
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I voted for you already. Where's your takeover? We're waiting....
It's too cold to cross the Potomac and storm the capital.

I'm more convinced every day that this Congress and this Administration are going put the country deeper into the poor house.
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post #110 of 114
2/4/09 at 9:52pm
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It's too cold to cross the Potomac and storm the capital.

I'm more convinced every day that this Congress and this Administration are going put the country deeper into the poor house.
I totally agree with you. Wether it be by spending money we don't have, or cutting tax revenue too much to pay the bills, we'll just keep going deeper. We should just let the market do it's own culling, and then get back to business.
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post #111 of 114
2/5/09 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
CNN even reporting on the overall cost of the "stimulus."

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...Q1YmE5ZDI2OTg=

Twice today, CNN has done short segments on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's declaration that

To give the proposed economic stimulus plan some perspective, "if you started the day Jesus Christ was born and spent $1 million every day since then, you still wouldn’t have spent $1 trillion."

Both times they said the claim checked out, the second time with a famous mathmetician (although I think they just needed a calculator).

Christ's birth in year zero one, times 365, times 2009, gets you 733,285,000,000, or a bit over $733 billion. (Yes, I'm leaving out leap years.) You're not even three-quarters of the way there. (Politifact calculates from 4 B.C.)

Yes, the stimulus is less than a trillion—$819 billion in the version passed by the House. But that's still a bigger total than a million a day since the first Christmas.



That should stir things up.
WOW. The concept of $1 trillion boggles my mind and I acutally figured it out on the calculator for myself. All I can say is.....WOW!
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post #112 of 114
2/5/09 at 9:02am
More pork uncovered, by the WSJ again.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123379617394050229.html

The Bureau of Land Management gets $325,000,000 to spend fixing federal land, including "trail repair" and "remediation of abandoned mines or well sites," no doubt left over from the 19th-century land rush.

Such as the amendment to Section 2(3)(F) of the Longshore and Harbor Workers' Compensation Act, which will permit payments to guys employed to repair "recreational vessels." Under Incentives for New Jobs, we find a credit to employ what the bill calls "disconnected youths," defined as "not readily employable by reason of lacking a sufficient number of basic skills."



So we need money to repair boats? And to employ the otherwise unemployable? Sheesh. If they have no skills and can't find work, we just make up a job?
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post #113 of 114
2/5/09 at 9:10am
This thing has long since passed "pork sandwich with bacon and ham" status. It's quickly nearing a piece of pork with a mass the size of the Earth status.
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post #114 of 114
2/5/09 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
This thing has long since passed "pork sandwich with bacon and ham" status. It's quickly nearing a piece of pork with a mass the size of the Earth status.
Oh, you're making me hungry! Lets ALL chow down!
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