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, please, which was a discussion of "The Dog Whisperer" and "It's Me or the Dog".
post #32 of 38
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There is absolutely no need or reason to clip a cat's claws in the normal course of events. My vet refuses to do it unless the claws have become a hazard to the animal itself and quite right too. My cat uses her claws for catching mice and squirrels and they get worn down by use in her daily peregrinations outside. When she needs to defecate or urinate, she prefers to do so outdoors but will, when necessary, do so in a litter tray I provide for her. It takes a matter of seconds to clean out and the tray is as near to what she would find naturally outdoors as can be provided indoors.

Why bother to routinely clip a cat's claws at all? The only reason seems to be that some cats claw furniture. Well, that is avoidable and if you can't stop your cat doing it and it's a problem, don't keep cats. Why make a cat go into something like a small MRI scanner just to defecate and urinate? I can't think of any reason apart from cat owners being so anally repressed that they can't deal with a few faeces and some urine. It's absurd and, yes, perverted in that it is so removed from what is natural, is so disrespectful of the cat. If you can't deal with what the animals are about, if you have so little respect for them that you want to force them to conform to your needs, buy yourself talking dolls.

This household is clean and my cat gives all appearances of being utterly contented here. She doesn't even damage the furniture. But that's probably because I allow her to be a cat rather than some perverted version of a furry baby.

I don't have any behavioural problems with my cat and she is even liked by visitors who aren't cat fans. I pretty much saved her life and my guardianship has the wholehearted approval of Thingy's vet. Moreover, she chose to live with me, as she has chosen all her owners in this small enclave, for most of her very long life. She is free to abandon me, if she chooses, just as she left her last carer, but she shows absolutely no wish to go elsewhere which she could quite easily, given that she spends a great proportion of her time outside in the gardens. I use perverted quite correctly in the sense of deviating away from proper or normal practice, in that the practices I criticise have nothing to with the cat - they are about bending a cat to a human's will totally unnecessarily.
Hon, you are going to get a lot of flack about this post I can guarantee you. Here's my $0.02 worth....

From what I understand, people in Europe have a different idea of cats as in they should be allowed to roam. That is fine...if you feel comfortable with it. Most people here are from the US and have different ideas, not to mention different living conditions. A lot of people here live in apartments or in busy cities. It's hard to let a cat roam outside if you live on the 10th floor of an apartment building. I do let 2 of my cats outside during the day now, but I live on 5 acres at the end of a dirt road so traffic isn't really a worry. When I lived in town (not a big city) I wouldn't let them out because people are stupid and I didn't want to find them dead on the side of the road. I do agree, cats that are allowed outside don't need their claws clipped....but the ones inside do.

For example...Monster, one of the cats that has NO desire to go outside, needs to have her claws clipped. The reason? We need to give her a pill every night to keep her from having seizures that will kill her. Now, it's either clipping her claws or we're going up to the hospital every night for stitches in our arms and hands. Clipping claws is like trimming toenailes...NOT declawing (I'm completely against that). But how would you feel if you couldn't trim your toenails??

And what's wrong with an automated litterbox? I don't have one myself (still doing it manually ) but if the cat is comfortable with it thats great!

The most disturbing thing I read was that your cat was "free to abandon" you. That just rubs me the wrong way, I'm sorry. So basically, you are just providing food and shelter for this animal and you wouldn't care is she went missing...you would just assume that she found another home. That makes no sense to me, because my pets (cats and dogs) are part of my family. They ARE our kids.

*question to the mods...can she respond to the posts since it's in IMO but she doesn't have enought posts?*
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*question to the mods...can she respond to the posts since it's in IMO but she doesn't have enough posts?*
No, she can't, which is why people have been asked to return to the original topic.
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Not sure about the "fools seldom differ" post though. Color me confused on that one.
I guess you are just too young to have heard that old adage. It's a common saying in our neck of the woods and has no derogatory meaning - disappointing I know.
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I'm not disappointed, I'm not sure if anyone else it though.

I like Victoria Stillwell and feel she has wonderful skills for people having problems with their dogs. I have watched her program many times and love it.
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Victoria all the way for me!! I am a "me or the Dog" addict ever since its first came out.... I like her methods better any day than that Ceaser guy. btw has anybody seen that one show that she was on called Greatest American Dog? It was on CBS for a couple of weeks and she was awesome on that show too!!
post #37 of 38
I prefer Cesar, myself. His approach is similar to mine & I find it works for me. for the record, I handled the "dog" listings, for the last census and was never attacked at all. The dogs had more respect for me than the owners
Because I grew up in the country, my attitude is influenced by my memories of cats killed and the excruciating cries of suffering lambs as the result of too-permissive owners who had the attitudes that their "doggy would only lick you to death" After all, dogs will be dogs.
post #38 of 38
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Victoria all the way for me!! I am a "me or the Dog" addict ever since its first came out.... I like her methods better any day than that Ceaser guy. btw has anybody seen that one show that she was on called Greatest American Dog? It was on CBS for a couple of weeks and she was awesome on that show too!!
Yeah, that was a pretty cool show. =) Took me a little while to get into it, though. And that little spat between Victoria and that other woman was funny. =3 I personally don't like that other woman, so...=D

I dunno, Ceasar's techniques just don't sit so well with me. I understand they work with certain people and certain dogs, but I am for more trusting and understanding of Victoria's, and how they work. And I understand that his techniques work because dogs are pack animals in nature, but...We have messed up dogs so much that I wonder if doing the "natural" way sometimes isn't doing any good.

I'm no dog expert, though. That's just my inexperienced opinion.
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