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post #31 of 49
12/12/08 at 8:06am
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The plot thickens as it is becoming clear that many in Obama's team may have known about this.
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post #32 of 49
12/13/08 at 9:58am
I would bet that they knew some of it was going on, but all the tapes seem to indicate they wanted nothing to do with it. Their only crime might have been in not reporting it, and that's pretty hard to prove.

The best line so far, from Tom Bodett today: "Blago puts the 'goober' in gubernatorial."

I'm waiting for Blagojovich to do one of two things:

1. Confess that he's an alcoholic, blame his behavior on the alcohol, and check into rehab.

2. Claim that someone came to him claiming to be an FBI agent and asked him to cooperate in catching some of the aspirants trying to buy the Senate seat.
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post #33 of 49
12/13/08 at 6:52pm
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http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/d...2&postcount=76

Leave it to the P.U.M.A.'s to take a screen shot before the story mysteriously vanishes from the cyber world. LOL

Dated November 5th. Guess Axelrod wasn't misspeaking.

Obama should have just fessed up and admitted he met with him.

Astonishingly, I still don't think Barack was in on this. On the flip side, he lied, but that doesn't surprise me, he lied plenty during the campaign and no one cared. To me it is just another bad guy he was associated with. Obama sure is oblivious to his shady friends isn't he?
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post #34 of 49
12/13/08 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
No kidding!

There's speculation that Rom Emanual is the one that blew the whistle on him. If so, good for him!

Rom Emanual is the brother of one of Hollywood's biggest Super Agents Ari Emanual, and Ari Emanual is one of our clients at work. Not that it matters to this. I just think it's kind of interesting.

By the way, Rom Emanual is one of Obama's appointee's. So in a way, Obama did have a part in the downfall of the Illinois Governor.
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post #35 of 49
12/13/08 at 7:29pm
It is unfortunate, but the truth is that for any politician to rise through the ranks in any state they have to associate with people who aren't exactly honorable. It doesn't mean that they have been a part of anything that is illegal. LBJ did more more for civil rights in terms of putting laws on the books than any other president. One reason he was able to do this was because he was from the old South but on his way through the ranks he associated with politicians who were part of the Klan. He also had to watch his step as far as the Klan is concerned on his way up or he would have simply been out of politics. I know he made a lot of mistakes and was a very unpopular President but his record on civil rights can't be taken away from him.
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post #36 of 49
12/13/08 at 7:49pm
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http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/d...&postcount=117

Yep, they met, right after the election. Now why didn't he just admit it?

And the fact that this link and the one above it are dang screen shots because they have been scrubbed from the website is pathetic.

Denice, is that his excuse for hanging out with a racist, hateful minister for twenty years and for hanging with an unrepentent domistic terrorists?
He just had to do it to get ahead in the world?
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post #37 of 49
12/14/08 at 4:14am
I do not care for or agree with the hateful rhetoric that he used in his sermons. There was nothing constructive about it and it is a throwback to a large part of the civil rights movement of the sixties. Obama's launching pad into politics was his work with the disadvantaged on Chicago's southside and Rev Wright was well known in that circle of people and his church did some good work in that area. To a lesser degree Bill Ayers was also part of that circle of people and again I do not condone what he did in the sixties or the lack of any sort of real apology for it on his part. As far as doing things to get ahead I guess a lot of it comes down to why a person is trying to get ahead and what they are trying to accomplish and we will see in time what Obama's real goals are. I do believe there are limits and the ends justify the means doesn't always apply.
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post #38 of 49
12/14/08 at 5:33am
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That is his opinion that Illinois is the most corrupt state. Depends on the criterion. Not that Illinios has a good track record. This site http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/corrupt100807.htm has it ranked Louisiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama and Ohio then Illinios. Then I saw another poll that had it Louisianna, Mississippi, New Jersey, New York, Illinios. But I don't think that these states are any worse than any other. Just a little more blatant and they get caught. Out of sheer stupidity most of the time. And as far as I am concerned there is blantant favoritism in politics. Just some politician are smarter about brokering favors and do not cross the line into illegality. But they dance quite close.

I am not sure I am getting the connection so far about the President Elect being part of the corruption. Far as I can tell the Govenor said "F" him about Obama because all he would give is appreciation. Doesn't sound like Obama was playing along. Maybe there is something more but to link or infer Obama as corrupt or part of a corrupt machine is making a mountain out of an anthill. Now more information may come to light but as of now.
The indirect "connection" is that what Blago has been charged with is the way politics is and has been for years and years in this state. As a life long resident of this bastion of political corruption I just cannot believe anyone who learned at the feet of the masters is 100% untainted. Rahm Immanuel and Jesse Jackson Jr. are in the middle of it now and we shall see what happens from here on out.
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post #39 of 49
12/15/08 at 3:35pm
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http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/d...&postcount=117Denice, is that his excuse for hanging out with a racist, hateful minister for twenty years and for hanging with an unrepentent domistic terrorists?
Obama 'hung out' with Rev. Wright and 'hung out' with Bill Ayers?

Now where in the world did you read that? Or maybe I should ask for your definition of 'hanging out' with someone first? Just curious, but do you 'hang out' with your minister??
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post #40 of 49
12/15/08 at 3:50pm
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Sure, Barack hung out with his minister, Reverend Jeremiah Wright. In his book he described Reverend Wright as his "mentor". That sounds like hanging out to me.

As for William Ayers, Ayers and his terrorist wife held a party to kick off Barack's political career and they served on more than one committee together.

And let us not forget Barack going to Kenya to campaign for/with Odinga. Now that is one bad dude.
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post #41 of 49
12/15/08 at 4:44pm
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[1] Sure, Barack hung out with his minister, Reverend Jeremiah Wright. In his book he described Reverend Wright as his "mentor". That sounds like hanging out to me.

[2] As for William Ayers, Ayers and his terrorist wife held a party to kick off Barack's political career and they served on more than one committee together.

[3] And let us not forget Barack going to Kenya to campaign for/with Odinga. Now that is one bad dude.
[1] Ummm, no. One can 'mentor' in many different areas. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume Obama was mentored re. his new found Christianity and church. I know some racists and they would never bring up unfounded racism in my presense because they know I would probably disagree and frown on those opinions. I mean, you kinda 'know' who you can say what to.......no? As there is no way of knowing any of this to be absolutely true then it only means that all interpretations are pure conjecture [including my own, by the way ]

[2] Sorry, but I do not consider serving on a multiple person committee as 'hanging out' with them.

Ayers' wife was a terrorist too? Sources, please.

Don't know anything about a party being thrown. Do you have a link?

[3] Odinga? Never heard of or know anything about him.

Okaaay, found these 2 paragraphs on Wikipedia:

"Obama-Ayers Controversy
Main article: Bill Ayers presidential election controversy
During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, a controversy arose regarding Ayers' contacts with then-candidate Barack Obama. Obama's contacts with Ayers had been public knowledge in Chicago for years.[49] After being raised by the British press[50][49][51] the connection was picked up by blogs and newspapers in the United States. The matter was raised in a debate by moderator George Stephanopoulos in April 2008 after it had been suggested by Sean Hannity and other hosts on conservative talk radio programs. It later became an issue for the John McCain presidential campaign. Investigations by The New York Times, CNN, and other news organizations concluded that Obama does not have a close relationship with Ayers.[52][53][54] In an op-ed piece after the election, Ayers denied any close association with Obama, and castigated the Republican campaign for its use of guilt by association tactics.[35]


[edit] Personal life
Ayers is married to Bernardine Dohrn, a fellow former leader of the Weather Underground. They have two adult children and shared legal guardianship of Chesa Boudin, son of Weather Underground members Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, who were jailed for their roles in the Brinks robbery. Chesa Boudin went on to win a Rhodes scholarship.[55] Ayers and Dohrn currently live in the Hyde Park neighborhood of Chicago.[56]"
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post #42 of 49
12/15/08 at 6:21pm
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When you have a twenty year, close, personal relationship with a pastor that you attended his church, he married, he baptized your children, they were close, no one, not even Obama, denies the above.

You must not have kept up with the threads here during the campaign, it's to late now anyway and I just don't have the motivation to go back and post the dozens of links I have posted, I wish I did, but I don't.
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post #43 of 49
12/15/08 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
When you have a twenty year, close, personal relationship with a pastor that you attended his church, he married, he baptized your children, they were close, no one, not even Obama, denies the above.

You must not have kept up with the threads here during the campaign, it's to late now anyway and I just don't have the motivation to go back and post the dozens of links I have posted, I wish I did, but I don't.
There are many things one never truly knows about another person, even onesself. We all have our secrets, of course.

No, I did not keep up with the various threads during the campaign and I quite understand your not wanting to be bothered with looking up old links.
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post #44 of 49
1/25/09 at 4:30pm
Anyone else keeping up with Blago's situation? I think the guy's a genious at times. He's not showing up for his impeachment, since he's not allowed any rebuttal and can call no witnesses in his defense. I agree with him, it's a sham and he should immediately appeal on the grounds he wasn't granted due process.

And now this tidbit.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009...h_about_1.html

44 subpoenas, including information related to David Axlerod and Valerie Jarrett, senior aides and close personal friends of BHO.

I'm just saying....
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post #45 of 49
1/25/09 at 4:54pm
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And the plot thickens. If I were Blago I'd be watching my back.
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post #46 of 49
1/26/09 at 4:44am
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Anyone else keeping up with Blago's situation? I think the guy's a genious at times. He's not showing up for his impeachment, since he's not allowed any rebuttal and can call no witnesses in his defense. I agree with him, it's a sham and he should immediately appeal on the grounds he wasn't granted due process.
He keeps saying that. And like Goebels, apparently if you tell a lie often enough and loud enough, people will believe it. Apparently you did.

But the fact is he had the opportunity to subpoena witness and just didn't.

Blago Misses Deadline to call witnesses
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post #47 of 49
1/26/09 at 7:27am
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I heard Blago saying on TV this morning he wanted Oprah for Obama's vacated Senate seat, but was afraid people would think it was a gimmick.

Translation: Oprah wouldn't pay.
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post #48 of 49
1/26/09 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
He keeps saying that. And like Goebels, apparently if you tell a lie often enough and loud enough, people will believe it. Apparently you did.

But the fact is he had the opportunity to subpoena witness and just didn't.

Blago Misses Deadline to call witnesses
He wasn't allowed to subpoena anyone involved in the federal case against him, which pretty much leaves him with no one. No way that is fair.
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post #49 of 49
1/26/09 at 10:44am
Well, the federal prosecutor requested that the legislature not subpoena anyone involved in the criminal case. However, the legislature has gone against the prosecutor already, and probably would have in this case. The truth is, Blago didn't even request any subpoenas, which in my book was just giving up.
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