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post #1 of 18
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And so it begins. I am happy that Hillary will be SOS, I wasn't sure at first but I think it will be good.

I didn't listen to the press conference but I heard through the grapevine
that Barack is back tracking on his "immediate, or 60-day Iraq withdrawal"
Wow, big surprise, huh?

I heard he will implement a plan closer to John McCain's Iraq plan.

Though I have to laugh, I'm glad he has seen the light on that one.

Now, how long will it be before he gets back to his tax increase for everyone making $42,000 a year or more?
post #2 of 18
I'm impressed that Obama is readjusting his thinking and his plans to address changing circumstances. This is a quality of a leader. Be open to advice, be ready to change tactics based on that advice and your own judgment, and proceed with implementing those tactics. The interesting thing here is the openess with which his readjustments are occurring. No excuses, no apologies, just: here's what's happening and here's what we're going to do about it. Also good qualities of a leader. I'm liking what I see so far.
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I didn't listen to the press conference but I heard through the grapevine
that Barack is backtracking on his "immediate, or 60-day Iraq withdrawal"
Wow, big surprise, huh?
Wasn't it Hillary who promised a plan to start withdrawing from Iraq within the first 60 days? As I recall, Obama wanted a withdrawal of most troops within 16 months.
http://www.conservativesforclinton.c...drawal-in.html
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Hillary will begin Iraq withdrawal in first 60 days

In an article published in the new issue of Foreign Affairs, Hillary states:
We must withdraw from Iraq in a way that brings our troops home safely, begins to restore stability to the region, and replaces military force with a new diplomatic initiative to engage countries around the world in securing Iraq’s future.To that end, as president, I will convene the Joint Chiefs of State, the secretary of defense, and the National Security Council and direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home, starting within the first 60 days of my administration.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_n19114735
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Both voted against legislation last June that would have required the withdrawal of all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by July 1, 2007, but that was before public opposition to the war hardened or they had entered the campaign.
Until their statements, neither had indicated any support for a troop withdrawal on a fixed, binding timetable despite numerous opportunities to do so.

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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
I'm impressed that Obama is readjusting his thinking and his plans to address changing circumstances. This is a quality of a leader. Be open to advice, be ready to change tactics based on that advice and your own judgment, and proceed with implementing those tactics. The interesting thing here is the openess with which his readjustments are occurring. No excuses, no apologies, just: here's what's happening and here's what we're going to do about it. Also good qualities of a leader. I'm liking what I see so far.
We've elected a pragmatist, which is exactly what the country needs. Not to mention the rest of the world.
post #4 of 18
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I, specifically, remember Obama saying, at first, he would begin immediate withdrawal of troops. I'm sure all reference to that has been scrubbed from the internet.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
We've elected a pragmatist, which is exactly what the country needs. Not to mention the rest of the world.
Yes, refreshing after eight years of an ideologue. Hillary has a bit of a tendency toward being an ideologue, though, at least in her past. While she has the ability to be an excellent Sec State, I think she bears watching lest she go off on her own crusades.
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I, specifically, remember Obama saying, at first, he would begin immediate withdrawal of troops. I'm sure all reference to that has been scrubbed from the internet.
I admit to being very naive when it comes to the internet, but can information on the internet be "scrubbed". Would any references to the withdrawal of troops made by Obama be scrubbed from all newspapers and media reports around the world? How is that possible?
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
I'm impressed that Obama is readjusting his thinking and his plans to address changing circumstances. This is a quality of a leader. Be open to advice, be ready to change tactics based on that advice and your own judgment, and proceed with implementing those tactics. The interesting thing here is the openess with which his readjustments are occurring. No excuses, no apologies, just: here's what's happening and here's what we're going to do about it. Also good qualities of a leader. I'm liking what I see so far.
Tim, I agree. He appears to be seeing the real side of the mess things are in and is quite willing to change his ideas to meet the requirements and demands of the new job he has coming up. It takes a big man to publicly make those changes and adjustments. Many persons in much lower jobs have much difficulty admitting they may have been wrong so I give him big kudos for his willingness to be up front. He has gone up in my estimation already and he's not even President yet.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I admit to being very naive when it comes to the internet, but can information on the internet be "scrubbed". Would any references to the withdrawal of troops made by Obama be scrubbed from all newspapers and media reports around the world? How is that possible?
It would be pretty hard to completely get rid of it, but yes, content can be removed from websites, and then it can be removed from search engines. So, effectively it disappears unless you can get access to Google's archives and back-up files.

I was a member of a forum that closed. It was closed rather abruptly because there were some unpleasant things going on. The site owners promised to leave the site up read-only for a while so that members could archive their content. But they didn't. Next day it was gone. Not just gone from the domain, but gone from all the search engines and even gone from the search engine caches. It was as if it had never existed.
post #9 of 18
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Yosemite, anything is possible for, "The One".

I will pray for Barack every day, believe me.

(I've been praying for him already)
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
It would be pretty hard to completely get rid of it, but yes, content can be removed from websites, and then it can be removed from search engines. So, effectively it disappears unless you can get access to Google's archives and back-up files.

I was a member of a forum that closed. It was closed rather abruptly because there were some unpleasant things going on. The site owners promised to leave the site up read-only for a while so that members could archive their content. But they didn't. Next day it was gone. Not just gone from the domain, but gone from all the search engines and even gone from the search engine caches. It was as if it had never existed.
Wow, what an eye-opener. I am flummoxed, seriously. It seems I have a lot to learn about this thing called the internet.
post #11 of 18
I love Hillary! I'm very happy with his choice! I don't agree with her on everything, but there is a lot that I do agree with her on and I think that she could bring a lot of positive things to the table. I'm glad she's going to be serving our country in that position.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I admit to being very naive when it comes to the internet, but can information on the internet be "scrubbed". Would any references to the withdrawal of troops made by Obama be scrubbed from all newspapers and media reports around the world? How is that possible?
It's actually a "Yes and No" answer. News servers can delete files, search providers can de-list them. But where it gets sticky is how many people saved what where. There are celebrities with court orders and hackers on payroll that have been trying to get pictures removed for years, and still cannot track down all the places they're hidden.

So, I would suppose that it's dependent on how many people want to keep something afloat and visible. One place to look is good old Usenet (yes, it's still there) headquarters en'virtual of the internet underground. There are things there thought extinct for years.
post #13 of 18
I don't know if this has been covered in another thread or not, so deal with me accordingly.

But I learned recently that Hillary's appointment as Sec State might just be unconsitutional. Apparently, there's a clause in the Constitution that could be interpreted as saying that an officer of the government can't hold a position; when as a legislator they voted to increase the pay of that position, thereby benefitting from their own vote to increase the pay. Which Hillary did. I suppose she could just turn down the extra salary. But look for the possibility of some anti-Hillary people to bring this up and challenge the appointment if they think they've got grounds to do so.
post #14 of 18
I think Hillary has the mental toughness to do the job, just as Condaleeza Rice does. Some have lacked that.

Hillary can take the job at the pay before it was raised. I don't think she lacks for income, at any rate.

I, personally, would have liked to be in the room the first time Obama was shown a Predator video of a Taliban ambush in Afghanistan, following the insurgents to a safe house and then destroying it, followed by a letter of protest from the Afghan or Pakistani governments about an attack on a "wedding party."
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
I don't know if this has been covered in another thread or not, so deal with me accordingly.

But I learned recently that Hillary's appointment as Sec State might just be unconsitutional. Apparently, there's a clause in the Constitution that could be interpreted as saying that an officer of the government can't hold a position; when as a legislator they voted to increase the pay of that position, thereby benefitting from their own vote to increase the pay. Which Hillary did. I suppose she could just turn down the extra salary. But look for the possibility of some anti-Hillary people to bring this up and challenge the appointment if they think they've got grounds to do so.
Judicial Watch Announces Hillary Clinton Constitutionally Ineligible to Serve as Secretary of State
The anti-Clinton vendetta
Is Clinton Ineligible to Join the Cabinet?
Hillary and the Constitution
post #16 of 18
I hope they find some way to make it possible. Why? I think she'd make a pretty decent Sec State. But if she doesn't get this job, she might be in line for the next Supreme Court vacancy, and that's something that does have me a bit concerned.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
I think Hillary has the mental toughness to do the job, just as Condaleeza Rice does. Some have lacked that.

Hillary can take the job at the pay before it was raised. I don't think she lacks for income, at any rate.

I, personally, would have liked to be in the room the first time Obama was shown a Predator video of a Taliban ambush in Afghanistan, following the insurgents to a safe house and then destroying it, followed by a letter of protest from the Afghan or Pakistani governments about an attack on a "wedding party."
LOL, me too, mrblanche, me too.
post #18 of 18
Some of the qualities that irritate me about Hillary are what will make her a great Sec. of State. She is no pushover. She is intelligent. She is also pugnacious at times and although it irks me. I can see as an asset sometimes. I doubt no one want to be Colin Powell again.
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