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post #1 of 25
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Wal-Mart worker dies after shoppers knock him down
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/pro...128&id=9412986
post #2 of 25
They're even shooting it out in Toys R' Us in California

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...9S87.DTL&tsp=1
post #3 of 25
Disturbing.

I'm proud to say that I have never, ever taken part in Black Friday. Every year you about stories like those in the above posts and every year I sit here shaking my head over the lunacy of it all. Saving a few dollars at the store is never worth the price paid for fighting, shooting it out at the store, or trampling a person just to get that bargain. Sad.
post #4 of 25
This is beyond insane. I keep wondering if those people who were part of the stampede that caused that Wal-Mart worker's death are feeling any kind of remorse tonight as they go over their purchases. Do they have any feelings about what they were a part of? Are they rationalizing, "Oh, I wasn't even near the guy....not my fault." What are they thinking right now? I hope at least some of them are examining what they value in life and at least feel some shred of guilt.

Geez. This mentality is so disturbing to me.
post #5 of 25
That really does boggle the mind. I can see shopping for a bargain, though I have never been drawn to these shopping frenzies [Boxing Day is when it really happens here], because I can't stand well-behaved crowds -- nevermind loony ones. What is so important about that bargain that people have to be violent about it? That's the $64,000 question.
post #6 of 25
I am all for a good bargain. But that is pure insanity. to value a cheap deal over a life. is disgusting
post #7 of 25
Those stories are just crazy! guns in a toy store? Not caring that you may have trampled another human being to death just to save 10 bucks on something? Sigh.... people are self-absorbed buttholes.
post #8 of 25
It's the materialistic nature of this holiday in general that disgusts me the most. And this is the price that some people pay.
post #9 of 25
In the last 15 to 20 years, I've shopped once on Black Friday, and once on the day after Christmas (not the same year) and it was enough to cure me of ever desiring to do it again. People are so incredibly rude....I had someone actually take stuff out of my shopping cart!!! Never again! There are enough "Black Friday" deals on-line now, I'll never brave those insane crowds again!

They should have closed the doors on that Walmart and charged every single shopper with manslaughter or negligent homicide. I sincerely hope that the security tapes will help bring the guilty ones to justice.
post #10 of 25
This year, we're all buying one or two gifts for my baby nephew. That's it. There isn't enough money to be so materialistic this year.

People wonder what's wrong with the economy in America. Here is exhibit A-- people killing another human being to save money on something that they don't need and never will (if you needed it that bad, you wouldn't only need it at Christmas, now would you?) and that they likely will put on an overtaxed credit card that they are already having trouble paying off.

Somehow we've been convinced that buying crap will save our economy. Here's an idea! Save that money and use it to pay off some debt.
post #11 of 25
I'm going to gift card route this year. My God-Daughters live in different states and my brother won't be home for Christmas because he moved to North Dakota to take a job. That leaves my sister, mom and dad. If I don't go with cards I'll shop online.
post #12 of 25
I also heard that a pregnant woman was knocked over and trampled on too.

I have a hard time understanding people who are so into sales that they can form a mob and run over people and kill them. That's just plain sickening!!!

I think the government needs to step in and do something.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
I'm going to gift card route this year. My God-Daughters live in different states and my brother won't be home for Christmas because he moved to North Dakota to take a job. That leaves my sister, mom and dad. If I don't go with cards I'll shop online.
Apparently you have to be particularly careful about gift cards this year:
The Gift Card Comes Wrapped in Growing Risk

It's probably safe enough to give the ones from major retailers, but you might want to encourage the recipients to use them asap.
post #14 of 25
I was just getting ready to post these 2 stories!!!

A good enough reason I stay home!
post #15 of 25
Even major retailers, unless they are big box stores or Visa Gift Cards could be risky. I know there was a story on the news recently about a number of retailers that are going out of business right after Christmas, but they aren't saying anything to the media so they can still get in some money for Christmas sales to pay off their debts and pay salaries. Unfortunately, I missed the story and there wasn't a web story along with it. So I can't tell you which stores they are, but my co-worker said it was some big ones that you wouldn't expect, like The Gap (she thought, but wasn't 100% sure).

Honestly, we do the Black Friday sales if/when we have the money and when there are deals out there worth getting. You couldn't pay me to go to Wal Mart or Toys R Us on Black Friday, and I don't care what kind of deals they have. We've done Best Buy on BF, and while it's a little chaotic and crazy it wasn't brutal or anything like that. Especially since they started handing out coupons for the big-ticket doorbuster sales so there wasn't the pushing and shoving and trying to vie for a spot in line to get it. They got smart after there were some injuries one year. Wal Mart is just a free-for-all with desperate mothers trying to get the must-have-present for their families. No thank you! TRU is just as bad, although now they are saying that the shooting was gang related.

This year we went to MicroCenter which was mainly computer geeks who had even heard of the store, let alone looked at the ad. We got some killer deals, and even with MS and not walking that well I wasn't pushed or shoved or had anything grabbed out of my hands or cart. We actually did Earl's boss a HUGE favor (she owes us BIG TIME) and picked up 2 monitors, 2 printers (HP all-in-ones for $50!), and 2 speaker sets for her daughters for Christmas. She saved a boatload of money on those items that she couldn't have gotten for those prices except on BF.

It's worth doing IF you know what you want, what you're getting, and what it would cost you any other day. Honestly, in years past some of the Wal Mart deals that people were getting hurt and killed over were only $5-$10 off the normal price. And yes, I am serious. The deals looked good in the ad, but if you had done your research beforehand (and there are websites dedicated to leaking the ads out before-hand) it wasn't really a good deal. Same goes for JC Penny and Kohls. They did have some good deals, but not everything advertised was.
post #16 of 25
No wonder I do not bother with this Christmas shopping at all any more. All you hear are retailers wondering if they will make the big bucks and nut jobs going crazy in the stores. No shopping means no extra debt or bills to pay as well.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Even major retailers, unless they are big box stores or Visa Gift Cards could be risky. I know there was a story on the news recently about a number of retailers that are going out of business right after Christmas, but they aren't saying anything to the media so they can still get in some money for Christmas sales to pay off their debts and pay salaries. Unfortunately, I missed the story and there wasn't a web story along with it. So I can't tell you which stores they are, but my co-worker said it was some big ones that you wouldn't expect, like The Gap (she thought, but wasn't 100% sure).
I received an email from a friend about this about a week ago. It had a large list, but I'm not sure how accurate it is. If anyone wants a copy, PM me.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by jcat View Post
Apparently you have to be particularly careful about gift cards this year:
The Gift Card Comes Wrapped in Growing Risk

It's probably safe enough to give the ones from major retailers, but you might want to encourage the recipients to use them asap.
I meant like a Visa, Mastercard or American Express cards. My bad for not clarifying when I posted.
post #19 of 25
I still can't wrap my head around the idea of getting that crazy for "stuff". I realize they were trying to save money, but there is no value that can be place on a human life. I went late yesterday afternoon to a couple of stores, but that is the first time I've ever stepped foot into a store on black Friday. I just can't grasp that this is the reality of the world we live in.
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
I meant like a Visa, Mastercard or American Express cards. My bad for not clarifying when I posted.
They're really useful for shopping online (says the aunt of several teenagers without their own credit cards).

I figured I'd post that link as "general information". I usually give one nephew and one niece gift cards from a major electronics chain here in Germany, and was rather dismayed to find the company isn't offering them this year. Uh, oh. I got some cards with little envelopes for cash for them yesterday, which they'll get with little token gifts - that should be safe enough.
post #21 of 25
I just want to say that the young man that was trampled to death is believed to have been trying to help the young pregnant woman, and that is how he got trampled.

No matter what, his death was a tragedy that was caused by careless people. But if he did die trying to help the woman, he should be treated as a hero, because he most likely saved her and her unborn child's life.
post #22 of 25
This all makes me just sick!! That's the nicest way I can say what I'm feeling.

I just saw an article online that the family of the gentleman who died have filed a lawsuit against Walmart and that they plan to file one against the county and local police department. Now that all opens a whole new can of worms. http://www.comcast.net/articles/news...al.Mart.Death/
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by MoochNNoodles View Post
This all makes me just sick!! That's the nicest way I can say what I'm feeling.

I just saw an article online that the family of the gentleman who died have filed a lawsuit against Walmart and that they plan to file one against the county and local police department. Now that all opens a whole new can of worms. http://www.comcast.net/articles/news...al.Mart.Death/
WalMart, maybe, but the others named as defendants really don't make sense. It seems an ambulance chaser contacted the family.

While I do feel that WalMart should accept some responsibility in the man's death (the police department did state that WalMart lacked adequate security), this suit is not going to bring him back to life. In fact, he'd probably be horrified by his family.
post #24 of 25
As much as I hate frivolous lawsuits, I think this one has legs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,461704,00.html

Wal Mart is the only one of the big retailers that don't hand out vouchers for their big-sale items on Black Friday at least an hour before the doors open. Best Buy, Circuit City, CompUSA (when it was open), even MicroCenter did it. What does this accomplish? This makes it so people who are actually out there freezing their rear ends off for hours waiting in line are rewarded with the items they want, especially the very limited ones. It makes it so people who are gate-crashers, who want to just rush in from the comfort of their homes/cars at the last minute and literally trample on anyone who gets in their way to get the hot item can't do it. It evens the playing field. But what it really does is take the mob mentality out of Black Friday. Yes, there are good deals to be had. But pay the piper if you want them. Before the retailers did this, there were always those who would ramrod their way to getting the hot items not because they wanted them for Christmas, or needed the savings to be able to afford them - but so they could sell them on Ebay for a tidy profit.

I've been in lines before and after the vouchers came into play. At first people complained...but only the ones who didn't want to wait in line like civilized people. And I guess all of those idiots ended up going to Wal Mart where they don't issue vouchers and it's a free-for-all, fend for yourself event. Frankly, Wal Mart should have been sued many times in years past because there have at least been injuries every year. This is the first time there was a death, that I can recall anyway. But it was only a matter of time, and could have been easily prevented.
post #25 of 25
If Christmas didn't get so commercial stuff like this would'nt happen. I bet lots of those people did'nt even want the stuff for Christmas. They wanted it for theirselfs, or to sell on ebay or somewhere, or to just try to "out gift" somebody or something. If we get back to what Christmas is all about maybe people won't be getting hurt by crazies at places like that. There was probaly people there stomping over people that dont even celebrate Christmas they was just here for the sales.
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