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post #1 of 24
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White extremists lash out over election of first black president

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Barely three weeks since America elected its first black president, noose hangings, racist graffiti and death threats have struck dozens of towns across the country.

More than 200 such incidents -- including cross burnings, assassination betting pools and effigies of President-elect Barack Obama -- have been reported, according to law enforcement authorities and the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups.
post #2 of 24
Sad to say, I don't find it the least bit surprising. The local "group" here has had Obama Christmas tree ornaments made to be given out to anyone that wants one. Their little card that comes with it states that "everyone should have a chance to hang that one from a tree".
post #3 of 24
awe..the KKK makes a comeback? I am sure they were just waiting for a reason to throw a party. It's interesting how they had no objections to Colin Powell or Condeleza Rice. But make a black man president and all hell breaks loose!

Go figure the smarts on that one.

Speaking of smart..sorry about my spelling. lol.
post #4 of 24
I have zero tolerance for the Klan and other extremist hate groups.
post #5 of 24
I saw a news story about this last night. One thing they mentioned was that the KKK was using the internet to recuit new members, and it sounded like they were targeting kids who are loners and outcasts.

I think this is horrible, we need someone who can get us out of this crisis, and if Obama is the one who can do it, then it really doesn't matter what color his skin is.
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Sad to say, I don't find it the least bit surprising. The local "group" here has had Obama Christmas tree ornaments made to be given out to anyone that wants one. Their little card that comes with it states that "everyone should have a chance to hang that one from a tree".
Lovely. I wonder what the Secret Service would do if they caught wind of that?

I can't stand such people. There was an unrepentant Nazi (yep, the real McCoy) around here whose letters to the editor of the local newspaper drove me crazy. He died of old age a couple of months ago, and I'm ashamed to say I was thrilled to hear about his passing.

We've got some local neo-Nazis, and they're as bad as the KKK. There was one in a nearby one-horse town who had a tavern frequented by like-minded individuals. The police often had to break up altercations with the locals, but couldn't actually close the place down, because the group was relatively subtle, i.e., kept just within the law. People in the town got so aggravated that they kept increasing the harassment (with the tacit consent of the local police), and the tavern owner finally gave up and moved away this year.
post #7 of 24
I too am not surprised, there were problems before he got elected. I find it terribly sad that there is still so much hate in this country. I wish we could get to the point where we look at the person and quit worrying about what color, race or religion they are. I imagine this is going to turn into the Secret Service's worst nightmare.
post #8 of 24
You know it's interesting because I am a hispanic woman who just happens to have very fair skin and blue eyes. I have been approached by racist groups to join. Little do they know, that's just how stupid they are.
post #9 of 24
Ehhhhh.....they'll disappear back into the woodwork from whence they came.

Anybody listen to Obama's economic press conference today? I was fairly well impressed. He said some good things and he said them in the right way. The stock market was pretty impressed, too.
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Ehhhhh.....they'll disappear back into the woodwork from whence they came.

Anybody listen to Obama's economic press conference today? I was fairly well impressed. He said some good things and he said them in the right way. The stock market was pretty impressed, too.
Well, maybe, maybe not. When things happen that make the news like these events, they tend to be only the visible part of something larger. For all we know, for every one of those racists acts, there may be 10 people "donating" to the cause, but not taking an active part.

They've never entirely gone away, and situations like this make them bolder than normal.
post #11 of 24
Truly horrible. I have (possibly unrealistic) hopes that having a multi-racial President will help us move beyond racial divisions toward uniting as Americans.
post #12 of 24
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They've never entirely gone away, and situations like this make them bolder than normal.
It's the attention we give them that makes them bolder than normal, not "situations like these". It's the attention these jerks want: attention, press coverage, people sucking in their breath and exclaming, how nasty!! That's what these people get off on. We've had some groups like that here in Wisconsin. When their interest wears thin, they just kind of shrivel up and blow away. It's the attention WE give them that validates them in their eyes. That's what empowers them.

When they're ignored, when they're treated like a booger in someone's nostril, that's what weakens them. Their members lose interest and drift away, their funding dries up, and eventually they're down to two or three unshaven and unbathed old guys in a back woods cabin giving each the the Hitler salute.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
Sad to say, I don't find it the least bit surprising. The local "group" here has had Obama Christmas tree ornaments made to be given out to anyone that wants one. Their little card that comes with it states that "everyone should have a chance to hang that one from a tree".
Delightful!

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It's the attention we give them that makes them bolder than normal, not "situations like these". It's the attention these jerks want: attention, press coverage, people sucking in their breath and exclaming, how nasty!! That's what these people get off on. We've had some groups like that here in Wisconsin. When their interest wears thin, they just kind of shrivel up and blow away. It's the attention WE give them that validates them in their eyes. That's what empowers them.

When they're ignored, when they're treated like a booger in someone's nostril, that's what weakens them. Their members lose interest and drift away, their funding dries up, and eventually they're down to two or three unshaven and unbathed old guys in a back woods cabin giving each the the Hitler salute.
That's just too true. Too bad, it's so difficult to bring that realization to the people who give them attention, without giving them attention in another way.
post #14 of 24
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When they're ignored, when they're treated like a booger in someone's nostril, that's what weakens them. Their members lose interest and drift away, their funding dries up, and eventually they're down to two or three unshaven and unbathed old guys in a back woods cabin giving each the the Hitler salute.
Well, actually, even when they're not in the news they have substantially more presence than that. I don't want to link any of their tripe here, but you may try looking up things like WhitePride.TV, Resistance Records, Lynx and Lamb Gaede, the Nationalist Coalition; although the KKK's own rosters are less than 10,000 these days (best guess), the loose alliance of all such organizations is quite large. They even have their own lines of clothing, music CD's and video games. I just don't feel there is any possible advantage to underestimating them.
post #15 of 24
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They've never entirely gone away, and situations like this make them bolder than normal.
Living further south then most of the other people commenting in this thread, we may see a bit more than they do on a day to day basis.

I don't suppose anyone here has heard of Elohim City (they're more Aryan Republican Army - but all the groups tie together) - living in the same state as that is a good reminder that crazy people/groups like this are out there. Never mind the attitudes of many people here (where I live, not this board).
post #16 of 24
I was going to make somewhat the same comment in that perhaps they're more of a presence in Mike's neck of the WOODS than here, since many of them also seem to be isolationists. I just don't think they're a threat. America is strong enough to tolerate extremism. If and when they break the law (and eventually they do -- usually running afoul of the IRS or something like that), arrest them, try them, and throw them in the slammer.
post #17 of 24
I wondered when this would happen (if Obama got elected). It does not surprise me, even though it sickens me. (Even though I do not like Obama, it is not right to dislike him due to his race, and I have NO tolerance for racism.)
post #18 of 24
These guys surge every now and then. After 9/11 they were targeting muslims heavily. Anytime you see a rally it is pathetic. Their numbers are not large.
They tried to have some kind of event here and anti hate groups were successful in shutting them down. 'This international skin head party was supposed to last a weekend. Supposedly skinheads from all over the world were coming. They had less than a 100 people. There was this whole cat and mouse game where the media and groups were looking for the destination of their party. When they found it they called the owner who shut it down. He had no idea what was being planned.
Portland is sensitive to the issue due to the murder of an Ethiopian man who was beaten to death by skinheads.
post #19 of 24
Well, if we believe the bible - an eye for an eye, we should simply string one KKK person up for every person they have killed.

It's very possible they don't get public support often because the closet hatemongers don't want to go public. They would participate as long as they were certain their identity would never be known, otherwise best to "play dumb".
post #20 of 24
Ya know, I think I might have to take a little change in direction here. On Bill's show yesterday, one of the topics was about offensive labels. One guy called up and used the term "Christ-haters." I sent Bill an email telling him I found THAT label for non-believers offensive. That's a term used by right-wing religious extremists, and I was surprised and shocked to hear it used by someone in this area. In my mail I told Bill that I found that term offensive because it was a derogatory reference to another person. Maybe you guys are on to something here. Maybe there's more of these extremist types around these days than there have been, and they're only beginning to surface now around here. I hope that's not the case. We'll have to see if he reads my email on Monday morning, and if he makes any remarks about it.
post #21 of 24
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You know it's interesting because I am a hispanic woman who just happens to have very fair skin and blue eyes. I have been approached by racist groups to join. Little do they know, that's just how stupid they are.
That is classic My brother was approached when he was 21 & my maiden name is VERY hispanic - it should've been obvious to them, but I don't think they are all that rational in their thinking anyway
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by coaster View Post
America is strong enough to tolerate extremism. If and when they break the law (and eventually they do -- usually running afoul of the IRS or something like that), arrest them, try them, and throw them in the slammer.
I agree!!!!
post #23 of 24
It's amazing just how differently people can see the very same belief system. To the white supremest, Obama's win is an affront to god, but to these people, it is god's will.

Some see God's will in Obama win
post #24 of 24
Well, he won, didn't he? Apparently it must be God's will.

Ehhhhhh.....God's will.......what exactly does that mean, anyway?

Can't be discussed without a religious thread.
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