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post #61 of 71
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Originally Posted by Pookie-poo View Post
However, if the doctor told the family what he found during surgery, and if the family were to do any research into that anomaly...well, that knowledge could possibly cause some problems. It is a moral/ethical type of question that I don't have the answer to.
Nothing ethical about it actually. There are patient privacy laws that prevent health professionals from discussing patient conditions/results etc with anyone without the express permission of the patient. In this case, the doctor would have been under the obligation to inform the patient what was found. It is then up to the patient if they want the doctor to inform the family, or if they will do it themselves, or if they will keep it private and not tell anyone.

There was an episode on the show House where there was a girl who was a successful model and had gotten sick. After much ado and tests, it's found out in the end that she, is actually a he. Unfortunately House has no ethics and rudely announced it in the room in front of the father.
post #62 of 71
And even more unfortunately, many young kids learn their ethics from shows like that.
post #63 of 71
So true and so very sad.
post #64 of 71
I am very happy that Thomas decided to go public with his "pregnant man" thing. Personally, I believe that our culture is very messed up about gender. I think that we should think of biological sex as completely different from gender. I don't think that we should require people to adhere to binary gender (either "act like a man" or "act like a women") nor require them to adhere to the gender expectations associated with their apparent biological sex. I know that many people here think that Thomas is doing things both to mess up his children and mess up societal expectations of gender, but I think he's doing things that will both benefit his children (give them an opportunity to be true to themselves instead of true to societal gender expectations) and benefit society as a whole. If he wasn't public about it, then he'd still be able to benefit himself, his wife, and his children, but he wouldn't be able to improve society. So I'm very grateful for his willingness to put his choices out into the public sphere.

I lived in an apartment-style dorm with a male-to-female (MtF) transgendered person (and, additionally, a person who became a female-to-male (FtM) transgendered person after college). The MtF was quite shy about her gender-identity past. She came back and made a presentation after she left the school, and it was hard because she was also coming out as an MtF to several acquaintances and one of her very close friends. (This close friend was very oblivious - the MtF both showed a transgendered movie to this person and had gender reassignment surgery while this friend knew her, but the "subtle" hints simply didn't work. Actually, the presentation with a bunch of "me" and "I"s didn't work either: it took 'till the Q&A session afterward for the oblivious friend to really believe it.) My MtF friend is legally married to her female partner (they both identify as lesbians) because she wasn't able to legally change her sex, and (of course) because marriage between men and women is legal where she lives.

Deciding to be transgendered is extremely difficult. Deciding to be publicly transgendered is even harder. I imagine that publicly being a gendered female who is a biological mother is even tougher. I congratulate, applaud, and thank Thomas for everything he has done to improve the way our culture views gender. His contribution will help countless children and adults be able to be true to themselves instead of slaves to gender expectations. Gender and sex are not the same thing, and individuals in our culture will be much happier when this reality becomes widely accepted.

Edited to add:
After reading the link to the story about Patrick Califa-Rice's boyfriend's pregnancy, I agree that Thomas is not the first male to give birth. I can see his "legal male" distinction, and it's interesting, but I think he needs to be admitting and bringing up that he isn't the first pregnant FtM. No matter, I still think that his hard work to put his pregnancy out into the public sphere is doing a social good.
post #65 of 71
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
No matter what this person says, she is not a man, she is a woman. Only women give birth. End of story
Exactly!! Couldnt of said it better myself!!
post #66 of 71
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
He said clitoris became enlarged through hormone therapy, looks like a small penis, and was able to have intercourse with his wife. This was from Oprah.
I cataloged his book yesterday, and he also said this is how he and Nancy make love.

What I couldn't get (I don't have time to really read books that I work with, so he may explain it in the book): he said he only had to take certain small steps to legally be considered male--since he obviously has retained the female organs, can anyone explain this to me? Thanks.
post #67 of 71
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Originally Posted by ckblv
No matter what this person says, she is not a man, she is a woman. Only women give birth. End of story

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Originally Posted by catloverin_ks View Post
Exactly!! Couldnt of said it better myself!!

I second that nod. Women have uterus's! That's how you carry a child. I still am scratching my head on how this made news!

If a man who was born a man, and has one penis and has at least one testicle. And he somehow goes against the laws of nature, and finds a way to get impregnated. That's NEWS! And I for one would like to see exactly how he would deliver it.
post #68 of 71
It doesn't bother me and I don't have much interest in this couple's internal organs, or what they call themselves; they aren't hurting any one.
post #69 of 71
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
It doesn't bother me and I don't have much interest in this couple's internal organs, or what they call themselves; they aren't hurting any one.
That pretty much sums it up for me.
post #70 of 71
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
Nothing ethical about it actually. There are patient privacy laws that prevent health professionals from discussing patient conditions/results etc with anyone without the express permission of the patient. In this case, the doctor would have been under the obligation to inform the patient what was found. It is then up to the patient if they want the doctor to inform the family, or if they will do it themselves, or if they will keep it private and not tell anyone.

There was an episode on the show House where there was a girl who was a successful model and had gotten sick. After much ado and tests, it's found out in the end that she, is actually a he. Unfortunately House has no ethics and rudely announced it in the room in front of the father.
Wouldn't her father know he had a son and not a daughter?

BTW, I love House.
post #71 of 71
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Originally Posted by Breal76 View Post
I second that nod. Women have uterus's! That's how you carry a child. I still am scratching my head on how this made news!

If a man who was born a man, and has one penis and has at least one testicle. And he somehow goes against the laws of nature, and finds a way to get impregnated. That's NEWS! And I for one would like to see exactly how he would deliver it.
Good post, I agree.
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