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post #1 of 20
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Apparently in Utah it is ok to practice incest through artificial insemination. They are trying to change the laws so that it would be illigal.
I think this is so sad. According to the article a doctor did a study and proved that the majority of this kids are retarded deaf blind and many of them die at a young age.
The article speaks of a man who has had several children with his own daughters. He argues that it keeps his blood line to Christ more pure.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=4834741&autostart=y
post #2 of 20
Ok, that is a tiny bit creepy
post #3 of 20
Well let's hope they fix that law!
post #4 of 20
That's nasty I've heard of keeping it in the family, but that's wrong
post #5 of 20
Not only is that gross, it's grossly irresponsible and grossly immoral.

They're allowed to do that, and I can't even get married? Something is terribly wrong here. I hope they get some legislation in there to fix it.
post #6 of 20
That's disgusting and I certainly hope they are able to change the laws to prevent it.
post #7 of 20
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Not only is that gross, it's grossly irresponsible and grossly immoral.

They're allowed to do that, and I can't even get married? Something is terribly wrong here. I hope they get some legislation in there to fix it.
Apparently incest is more acceptable than other things (that I dare not mention by name lest I be called on it ) in some parts of the country. Certainly puts things into perspective doesn't it!
post #8 of 20
The article makes more sense when you click on the "Related links" box captioned "LeBaron brothers team with lawmaker in effort to change incest laws" -- I can see where they're coming from now. Incest as defined by the dictionary doesn't address artificial insemination. As defined, it takes an act of intercourse. For it to be incest, it has to be defined as incest in the law.

We don't really believe that pervert was actually getting them pregnant artificially, now do we? What a jerk.
post #9 of 20
No incest is not okay in Utah. The LeBaron brothers are part of a polygamist clan and yes they do have intermarriage and are constanly at odds with the law and trying to find ways around it. They are trying to twist things around to fit thier own perverted ways. Polygamy is against the law and the State has been trying for eons to put a halt to it. It is almost impossible to bring to court, ask the State of Texas. It is not the practice of the people of Utah and I seriously doubt it is the practice of the polygamists. They have finally started being taken to court for thier actions and being held accountable. I think they are just grandstanding and digging for ways to make thier illegal lifestyle legal. The people of Utah are as disgusted and fed up with the goings on as anyone, legislation is repeatedly being brought to change the laws.
post #10 of 20
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No incest is not okay in Utah. The LeBaron brothers are part of a polygamist clan and yes they do have intermarriage and are constanly at odds with the law and trying to find ways around it. They are trying to twist things around to fit thier own perverted ways. Polygamy is against the law and the State has been trying for eons to put a halt to it. It is almost impossible to bring to court, ask the State of Texas. It is not the practice of the people of Utah and I seriously doubt it is the practice of the polygamists. They have finally started being taken to court for thier actions and being held accountable. I think they are just grandstanding and digging for ways to make thier illegal lifestyle legal. The people of Utah are as disgusted and fed up with the goings on as anyone, legislation is repeatedly being brought to change the laws.

IT may not be ok as a whole but he can get away with it. That is the whole point in trying to change the law or the way it is written. According to the law there has to be a sex act in order to prosecute so it kinda is ok cause this sick man can for now get away with it in Utah and who knows where else. The prosecutor dropped the investigation because they were unable to find a way around the artificial insemination defense. The whole point is the state is trying to change that so this guy does not get away with it in the future. This was on KSL just the other night. The whole point is the state of Utah is trying to change it because of these people. The sad thing is if this passes the sad thing is he will most likely go somewhere else where the law has a loop hole as well.

Oh and The LeBaron brothers are not polygamist and they are trying to change the laws in three States their father resides in so that he will not be able to do this anymore. At least thats the way I understand it.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by twokatz View Post
No incest is not okay in Utah. The LeBaron brothers are part of a polygamist clan and yes they do have intermarriage and are constanly at odds with the law and trying to find ways around it. They are trying to twist things around to fit thier own perverted ways. Polygamy is against the law and the State has been trying for eons to put a halt to it. It is almost impossible to bring to court, ask the State of Texas. It is not the practice of the people of Utah and I seriously doubt it is the practice of the polygamists. They have finally started being taken to court for thier actions and being held accountable. I think they are just grandstanding and digging for ways to make thier illegal lifestyle legal. The people of Utah are as disgusted and fed up with the goings on as anyone, legislation is repeatedly being brought to change the laws.
I think people realize that they're renegades/psychopaths.

The LeBarons have been a murderous clan for a couple of generations now, so it really doesn't surprise me to hear about the "artificial insemination". There have been several books written about the family and the crimes they've been involved in, including The 4 O'Clock Murders

tru Crime Library has a summary: Ervil LeBaron Cult
post #12 of 20
Sorry but the LeBarons are Fundamentalists (FLDS) which is what the polygamists are. The FLDS broke away from the LDS church a long time ago and formed thier own church and they practice polygamy. The Lebarons are even more radical and one of the worst case scenarios among the FLDS church, they have become an evil cult. The heads of the clan live in several states which are trying to bring them to justice.
post #13 of 20
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Sorry but the LeBarons are Fundamentalists (FLDS) which is what the polygamists are. The FLDS broke away from the LDS church a long time ago and formed thier own church and they practice polygamy. The Lebarons are even more radical and one of the worst case scenarios among the FLDS church, they have become an evil cult. The heads of the clan live in several states which are trying to bring them to justice.
That's what the link I provided covers, so I don't understand your "Sorry but...". Nobody is saying that the LeBarons are LDS.
post #14 of 20
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That's what the link I provided covers, so I don't understand your "Sorry but...". Nobody is saying that the LeBarons are LDS.
No, no one is saying they are LDS but krazycatlover did say they are not polygamists, which they are. I was merely pointing out the connection, as your link does. I put the difference in about FLDS & LDS so there is no confusion, which apparently caused confusion!
post #15 of 20
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I think people realize that they're renegades/psychopaths.

The LeBarons have been a murderous clan for a couple of generations now, so it really doesn't surprise me to hear about the "artificial insemination". There have been several books written about the family and the crimes they've been involved in, including The 4 O'Clock Murders

tru Crime Library has a summary: Ervil LeBaron Cult
Wow, what a read!
post #16 of 20
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Sorry but the LeBarons are Fundamentalists (FLDS) which is what the polygamists are. The FLDS broke away from the LDS church a long time ago and formed thier own church and they practice polygamy. The Lebarons are even more radical and one of the worst case scenarios among the FLDS church, they have become an evil cult. The heads of the clan live in several states which are trying to bring them to justice.



Sorry but I didn't say the Lebarons were not polygamists I said the brothers they were talking about not.

Watch the video here

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=4718121

this was a link within the news article I should have included it was just a little to quick in posting my original post.

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No, no one is saying they are LDS but krazycatlover did say they are not polygamists, which they are. I was merely pointing out the connection, as your link does. I put the difference in about FLDS & LDS so there is no confusion, which apparently caused confusion!
I said the brothers they were talking about in the article are not polygamists Just because their father is or some or most of their family is doesn't mean they are. Just like the mormon church broke away from polygamy so can others. Did you even read the article.

It seems like you are taking this as an attack on Utah or Mormons when in actuality it meant to show more that utah is trying to change it. I am sorry if I came across that way. I can see how I might have. I don't know but I have a feeling that this would be an issue in most any state only most states don't have many or much public knowledge of people who practice incest.
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by Krazycatlover View Post
Sorry but I didn't say the Lebarons were not polygamists I said the brothers they were talking about not.

Watch the video here

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=4718121

this was a link within the news article I should have included it was just a little to quick in posting my original post.



I said the brothers they were talking about in the article are not polygamists Just because their father is or some or most of their family is doesn't mean they are. Just like the mormon church broke away from polygamy so can others. Did you even read the article.

It seems like you are taking this as an attack on Utah or Mormons when in actuality it meant to show more that utah is trying to change it. I am sorry if I came across that way. I can see how I might have. I don't know but I have a feeling that this would be an issue in most any state only most states don't have many or much public knowledge of people who practice incest.
No, I most definetly do not take it as an attack on Mormons, sorry if it sounded that way. I only referenced the Mormon church in such a way as to point out it is different than the polygamist FLDS church as most people do not get they are not connected. I do try to defend Utah and the good people here, it seems like no one ever reports the good things related to this state. There is so much misconception already. What the LeBarons have done is horrible, they are sick beyond belief and there are many states trying to come up with ways to stop it. I absolutely agree that people need to know what goes on so it can be changed, incest is not acceptable in any state or group.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by twokatz View Post
No incest is not okay in Utah. The LeBaron brothers are part of a polygamist clan and yes they do have intermarriage and are constanly at odds with the law and trying to find ways around it. They are trying to twist things around to fit thier own perverted ways. Polygamy is against the law and the State has been trying for eons to put a halt to it. It is almost impossible to bring to court, ask the State of Texas. It is not the practice of the people of Utah and I seriously doubt it is the practice of the polygamists. They have finally started being taken to court for thier actions and being held accountable. I think they are just grandstanding and digging for ways to make thier illegal lifestyle legal. The people of Utah are as disgusted and fed up with the goings on as anyone, legislation is repeatedly being brought to change the laws.
How is it hard for them to put a stop to it? Doesn't the state issue marriage licenses and can't they cross-check to make sure you don't have one already before giving you a new one?

Or are the polygamists not getting legal marriages? If that's it, then they aren't married to anyone, just have lots of girlfriends and out-of-wedlock children.

I'm confused. It seems like it would be really easy to keep someone from marrying legally twice or more times. They manage to keep you from getting two driver's licenses!
post #19 of 20
I believe they legally divorce a wife in order to legally marry the next one, but continue cohabitating with the divorced wife, too. And so on down the line.
post #20 of 20
They only legally marry one woman, they do not divorce that woman but just marry others. The marriages are not legal, in fact they are illegal and they are performed in thier church only.The other wives are called sister wives. One man may have many wives and lots of kids. They mostly live in thier own communities and it is very secretive, the kids do not usually interact with other kids outside of thier religion. You occasionally see some of the kids in public school but most often they are home schooled. They file for public assistance and list the father as unknown, because there are not a lot of public records it is almost impossible to tell who the fathers are. I have seen many investigations for welfare fraud but they very seldom get anywhere. It is very expensive to try to take to court and very hard to prove.It is getting better, there have been some prosecutions lately for sexual abuse and other crimes that have stuck. Texas just went out on a limb a few months ago and took all the kids in a commune, hundreds of them, they had to resort to blood tests to determine parents cause no one would tell. These are polygamists that moved thier members from Utah to Texas for the most part as Utah has started going after them.
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