De-claw what is the big deal?

simkie · Nov 14, 2008

Of COURSE the body can feel pain while under general anesthesia! Go ask an anesthestologist about how the blood pressure and heart rate reacts during surgery. It is quite apparent when the person (or cat) is in pain. It's even important to TREAT surgical pain during surgery, to avoid complications from the increased heart rate and raised blood pressure.

To the OP: obviously, you've gotten some good advice about declawing. I hope that you've been able to take this info to heart.

the_food_lady · Nov 14, 2008

Plar writes:

Originally Posted by plar

It is impossible to feel pain under general anesthetic. The cat's response is most likely reflex which she mistakenly think is related to the feeling of pain.

Any person or animal can feel pain while under a general, particularly if they're not given enough and/or aren't given enough pain meds during the surgery. The article I spoke about was the the Vet Tech's personal experience and it wasn't just a reflex she was referring to, it was actual whimpering. I've yet to hear of a 'whimpering reflex.' Also, if you claim that it's not possible to feel pain while under a general, how would it be possible to elicit any kind of reflex? Can you imagine; surgeons all over the world, both animal and human, trying to perform open heart surgery or whatever type and having to be so careful because the patient might "move" on the table? Come on...

A properly raised cat will not bite, whether or not it is declawed. You have to push the cat pretty hard for it to resort to biting.

Even the most well behaved can bite if he/she feels the instinctual need to defend oneself; and if they can't do it with their claws, of course they're going to bite. Don't believe me? Take a trip down to your local SPCA or Humane Society and ask the staff there how many newly declawed cats are surrendered because they began to bite (though prior to the declaw never did).

Contrary to what you said, this happens extremely rarely, although it does happen. "Cat rights" persons love to turn a freak accident into "everyday occurrence".

I'm sorry that you're so misinformed with regard to your stance that "botched surgeries" and the after-effects of deformed paws and claws growing back but into the pads and the pain to the paws causing litterbox aversion - well, that these things are so rare. I have to ask though -- why are you on a Cat Health Board if you have such a lack of regard for "Cats Rights" people? You think it's wrong to advocate for the health, safety, comfort and well-being of cats? But you're here so I'm assuming you have a cat? Hmmmmm.

Nevertheless, these occurrences are not rare or 'freak accidents' as you put it. Please, do your homework. But if you do think it's so rare, say there was only a 1 in a million chance of these complications occurring, can you say you really love your pet if you're willing to put them at risk that they'll be that 1 in a million?

Do you also know how many cats are surrendered to shelters and SPCA or Humane Society or abandoned on the street because they develop litterbox aversion? Again - talk to shelter workers and get informed.

The very phenomenon of pet ownership is essentially modifying animals to suit humans, and is selfish. Cats naturally live in the wild and hunts small animals for food. Why don't you feel morally and ethically wrong about taking a beautiful animal that God has created and has placed in the wild away from its natural home and subject it to lifelong enslavement and imprisonment?

Hate to break it to you but cats have long since become domesticated animals. The only cats 'in the wild' now, really, are feral cats and feral cats are generally diseased and unhealthy, often scrounging for food, malnourished (where does a feral cat find food and water when it's 40 below?). By the way, if you think it's so cruel to "enslave and imprison" cats, what do you think about the ones that are found lying injured and dead on the sides of roads (hit by cars), or contracting FIV and FIP and Leukemia, and worms and parasites and being poisoned (whether intentionally or not; antifreeze is probably one of the most common and it's found everywhere on the ground in most places, at least during the winter). You think it's better for a cat to suffer in pain on the side of the road after being hit a by a car? Yeah, that sounds like fun.

Declawing is perfectly legal in vast majority of countries, what does that tell you?

It tells me that a lot of countries have a long ways to go. It tells me that a lot of Vets out there who are supposed to be the #1 advocate for animals are more concerned with $$ than an animal's comfort and well-being. I think it tells me a lot more than some Vets refuse to do this procedure, and it tells me a lot more that that there are definitely countries that don't allow this.

If spaying and neutering is so great, why don't you spay/neuter yourself? After all it comes with great health benefit and solve the over population problem! You would probably not do that to yourself because you consider having the ability to reproduce is an essential part of being alive. Your cats probably think the same.

Oh brother. I guess you don't know all that much about the cat overpopulation crisis that's going on. Go down to your local shelter or SPCA and have a look at the effects of not spaying/neutering; thousands upon thousands of unwanted innocent animals that are in desperate need of a home but will never get one. Take a trip down there on the days they Euthanize and see what happens when these thousands and thousands of animals that there just aren't enough homes for are put down. Then come back and tell us you still think spaying and neutering to be unnecessary.

I'm sorry but your comments are appalling and surely not what I expected on a Cat Health Forum - particularly one that's very clearly anti-declaw.

natalie_ca · Nov 14, 2008

Originally Posted by MÃ¶bius

Imagine someone clipping off your fingertips at the first knuckle, then
going through life like that. That is essentially what de-clawing involves.

It was very easy for me to teach my cats how to use their claws
appropriately, but it helps if you start when they are very young.

Take kitty and rub her paws over the scratching post or whatever you are
letting the cat use to sharpen her claws, (limit it to one or two things though)
then give her a treat. Repeat several times a day, build it into your daily
routine if possible. I did it in the morning before I left for work and the
evening as soon as I came home.

Keep a squirt bottlehandy for when she scratches an inappropriate object.
Kitty will soon learn where she can scratch and where she can't

And it's important to cut their nails too. Not only for your own comfort when holding your kitty, but also for their comfort so that their nails don't get long and sharp and hook into rugs and things and get themselves caught.

Chynna my 16 1/2 year old kitty loves to get her nails clipped. It's like a spa day for her. I spend about 1/2 an hour cutting her nails and massing her paws and toes, while she just lays there purring and soaking up the attention.

jalindal · Nov 14, 2008

Originally Posted by Natalie_ca

And it's important to cut their nails too. Not only for your own comfort when holding your kitty, but also for their comfort so that their nails don't get long and sharp and hook into rugs and things and get themselves caught.

Chynna my 16 1/2 year old kitty loves to get her nails clipped. It's like a spa day for her. I spend about 1/2 an hour cutting her nails and massing her paws and toes, while she just lays there purring and soaking up the attention.

That's exactly what Mackerel does. XD My SO and I got ourselves ready for the fight of our lives when we were going to clip her nails for the first time after adoption.. we tuckered her out before hand and waited until she was exhausted, and then prepared to restrain her while I clipped... but nothing. Just purring and clear apprecation (and expectation!) of the attention we lavished on her. XD

yosemite · Nov 14, 2008

Originally Posted by plar

It is impossible to feel pain under general anesthetic. The cat's response is most likely reflex which she mistakenly think is related to the feeling of pain.

Some humans have testified that they felt pain under anaesthesia. Moaning and whimpering doesn't sound like reflexes to me.

A properly raised cat will not bite, whether or not it is declawed. You have to push the cat pretty hard for it to resort to biting.

I think you should volunteer at a shelter for awhile so you can get re-educated on this biting issue.

Contrary to what you said, this happens extremely rarely, although it does happen. "Cat rights" persons love to turn a freak accident into "everyday occurrence".

Nobody turned anything into an "everyday occurrence". It was stated what could happen and has happened more than just rarely.

Again this happens very rarely, and very few cats will exhibit this problem, (definitely not "many"). It is also be eliminated by using the right litter while the cat is recovering.

Again, this can happen and it is even less rare than the above.

The very phenomenon of pet ownership is essentially modifying animals to suit humans, and is selfish. Cats naturally live in the wild and hunts small animals for food. Why don't you feel morally and ethically wrong about taking a beautiful animal that God has created and has placed in the wild away from its natural home and subject it to lifelong enslavement and imprisonment?

The cats of today are not wild - they are descended from tamed animals much like cows, horses, etc. If the care, quality food and pampering our animals receive from us is lifelong enslavement and imprisonment, then I'd take that any day over fighting for my life, hunting for food and trying to escape predators - both animal and human.

Declawing is perfectly legal in vast majority of countries, what does that tell you?

Declawing is illegal in most countries - North America is still one of the less educated and still allows this mutilation.

If spaying and neutering is so great, why don't you spay/neuter yourself? After all it comes with great health benefit and solve the over population problem! You would probably not do that to yourself because you consider having the ability to reproduce is an essential part of being alive. Your cats probably think the same.

If I had no control over my sexual urges I would hope someone would spay me! FWIW I have been spayed.

The difference that you fail to see is that cats are blissfully unaware that their species are overcrowding pet shelters and some of their offspring have to be euthanized because their owners just didn't bother to get them neutered. If you have a child (and that's what our cats are to us) you make the decisions for that child since he/she is incapable of making informed choices.

As another poster has already said, it seems as though you have little to no knowledge of cats and yet I see you have 42 posts. Surely you must have learned something here but it's not obvious.

Or, did you just post that nonsense above to try to stir the pot and get a rise out of people who truly love their cats? Makes me wonder.

To the OP, other than Plar's response you've been given some good information on which to make your decision. Those of us who truly love our animals would never consider de-clawing for anything other than a medical reason, i.e., owner has hemophilia,in which case adopting an already deformed (er, I mean de-clawed

) cat from a shelter or the cat itself had problems with their claws.

I think it's wonderful that you researched and looked for answers before just going off madly and having it done.

momofmany · Nov 14, 2008

I have to weigh into 2 points that were raised previously.

First of all - can you feel the pain of a declaw while under anesthesia? ABSOLUTELY. I had my thumbnail surgically removed earlier this year. They put me under and put a bier block into my hand so that I wouldn't feel anything. When I woke up after the surgery, the surgeon informed me that he had never had a person fight him so hard while in surgery. Apparently I screamed about the pain the entire time. 7 months later, my thumb still hurts. They told me it would take a year to fully recover. And this was only the nail removed, not even an amputation at the knuckle.

And for behavior changes post declaw? I volunteered at the Humane Society for a while. The number 1 reason why declawed cats were turned over to a shelter was due to litter box issues. The second reason was for biting.

I have 10 fully clawed cats and fully intact furniture. I find it fun to train a cat to use a scratch post. Do it as a game: get on your knees in front of the scratch post and scratch along with them. Always redirect them to their scratch post when you see them scratch anything else. It's never taken me longer than 3 days to retrain a cat when I've stayed on top of it.

ldg · Nov 14, 2008

Some facts.

1) Against declawing are:

The ASPCA (no surprise),
The Humane Society of the United States (no surprise),
The Cat Fancier's Association, AND
The American Veterinary Medical Association (official statement: "Declawing of domestic cats should be considered only after attempts have been made to prevent the cat from using its claws destructively or when its clawing presents a zoonotic risk for its owner(s)." ).
Further, in 2006, the USDA - normally an extremely conservative federal agency - amended the Animal Welfare Act to prohibit declawing of exotic carnivores, saying that it "can cause considerable pain and discomfort to the animal and may result in chronic health problems."

2) In 2007, the California Court of Appeals upheld a ban on declawing enacted by the city of West Hollywood, CA, in 2003.

3) In April 2007, the city of Norfolk, VA banned declawing.

According to Jankowsky et al. in Veterinary Medicine, 1998, Vol. 213, pages 370-373, "Acute complications developed in about half of the onychectomized cats. Long-term complications following the procedure were reported for about one fifth of cats subjected to onychectomy. The authors state that owners should be aware of high complication rates for both onychectomy and tendonectomy procedures.

Originally Posted by plar

It is impossible to feel pain under general anesthetic. The cat's response is most likely reflex which she mistakenly think is related to the feeling of pain.

This has been addressed by Amy (MomofMany)

Originally Posted by plar

A properly raised cat will not bite, whether or not it is declawed. You have to push the cat pretty hard for it to resort to biting.

And declawing a cat is pushing it pretty hard and in at least one study, 18% of cats began biting AFTER the declaw:

Yeon SC, Flanders JA, Scarlett JM, et al. Attitudes of owners regarding tendonectomy and onychectomy in cats. J Am Vet Med Assoc 2001;218:43-47.

Summary: Retrospective phone follow-up of teaching hospital clients, DVM student surgeons. 39/98 owners whose cats underwent elective onychectomy or tendonectomy were contacted two months to five years (median 11.5 months) after surgery. 17 (44%) of declawed cats returned to normal within three days, 35 (90%) within two weeks. 31 (80%) had more than one medical complication. 13 (33%) developed at least one behavior problem. 6(15.4%) would not use the litter box and 7 (17.9%) had an increase in biting habits or intensity.

(plar's response to comments about claw regrowth) :

Originally Posted by plar

Contrary to what you said, this happens extremely rarely, although it does happen. "Cat rights" persons love to turn a freak accident into "everyday occurrence".

PLEASE read this thread! Bea begs you never to declaw

Actually, it is not a "freak accident." Martinez et al. reported in Veterinary Medicine, 1993 that for cats subjected to declawing, 11% exhibited lameness, 17% had wound breakdown, and 10% showed (deformed) claw regrowth.

(plar's response to litterbox avoidance as a consequence of declawing) :

Originally Posted by plar

Again this happens very rarely, and very few cats will exhibit this problem, (definitely not "many"). It is also be eliminated by using the right litter while the cat is recovering.

Actually, litter should not be used while the cat is recovering, shredded newspaper or something along those lines should be used. That aside, it is not as rare as you seem to believe: note the above article, where it was reported in 15% of declawed cats. However, there is also this:

Patronek, GJ, Glickman LT, Beck AM, et al. Risk factors for relinquishment of cats to an animal shelter. J Am Vet Med Assoc 1996;209:582–588

Summary: Case-control study of owned and relinquished cats involving a random digit dial survey of cat owners. Prevalence of declawing was 45%(476/1056) in the owned cat population. In the univariate analysis, declawed cats were at decreased risk of relinquishment compared to non-declawed cats (OR=0.63; 95% CI 0.45-0.87). After adjustment in a multivariate model, declawed cats were at an increased risk of relinquishment (OR=1.89;1.00-3.58); this reversal made the effect of declawing difficult to interpret. Among 218 cats relinquished to a shelter, more (44/84; 52.4%) declawed cats than non-declawed cats (39/134; 29.1%) were reported by owners to have inappropriate elimination (p=0.022). emphasis added

...and this: A recent national survey of shelters from the Caddo Parrish Forgotten Felines and Friends indicates that approximately 70% of cats turned in to shelters for behavioral problems are declawed.

..and from the Summer 2002 issue of PETA’s Animal Times: “A survey by a Delaware animal shelter showed that more than 75% of the cats turned in for avoiding their litter boxes had been declawed.”

The very phenomenon of pet ownership is essentially modifying animals to suit humans, and is selfish. Cats naturally live in the wild and hunts small animals for food. Why don't you feel morally and ethically wrong about taking a beautiful animal that God has created and has placed in the wild away from its natural home and subject it to lifelong enslavement and imprisonment?

Other than cougars, cats are not native to this continent. The domestic cat, Felis Catus, has been documented as associated as a companion of humans for 9,500 years. Domestic cats should simply not be born in the wild, though through human thoughtlessness, carelessness, lack of education, lack of funds, and poor city, county, state and national policies are. Fortunately they are excellent survivors.

Originally Posted by plar

Declawing is perfectly legal in vast majority of countries, what does that tell you?

That they do not care about the health and welfare of animals as a national policy.

Originally Posted by plar

If spaying and neutering is so great, why don't you spay/neuter yourself? After all it comes with great health benefit and solve the over population problem! You would probably not do that to yourself because you consider having the ability to reproduce is an essential part of being alive. Your cats probably think the same.

The problem is that cats mate out of instinct and hormones, not out of choice. We have the choice to procreate, or to have sex using birth control in order to prevent procreation. Cats do not have this choice and will breed to the detriment of the female. It just so happens that that there are quite a few health and behavior benefits to spaying and neutering apart from addressing the huge cat overpopulation problem.

The bottom line is the choices promoted by The Cat Site always boil down to the same thing: the welfare of the cat. Spaying and Neutering benefit the cat, the cat population, and the owner. NOT declawing benefits the welfare of the cat.

Laurie

white cat lover · Nov 14, 2008

Go put my username & "Bea" in the search function. You can read about the tales of a de-claw gone wrong - how she had to be "re-declawed" at 15 lbs/5 years - how that caused renal failure (she'll die younger than she might've lived now), litterbox issues, she bites....oh and she has some nasty arthritis.

Spaying & neutering is done to reduce the risks of things like cancer, pyometria, etc. Declawing doesn't prevent any potentially fatal health issues. It alters the way a cat has to walk which isn't normal for that - and can cause more issues.

I declawed my 2 foster kittens for their adopter. It is the single most horrible thing I've done. They no longer bury their poop, they didn't use the litterbox for days after I brought them home. They chew on their paws non-stop. It's been 1.5 weeks - they still wince & have issues playing. The one guy walks with a very pronounced limp - and I've had the vet examine him several times since the "surgery". They are nowhere near as playful as they were pre-declaw. They don't like to be held as much. And one of them bites like there is no tomorrow.

The kittens I knew & loved are gone.

Originally Posted by plar
in response to litterbox avoidance as a consequence of decalwingAgain this happens very rarely, and very few cats will exhibit this problem, (definitely not "many"). It is also be eliminated by using the right litter while the cat is recovering.

I see the "very few" cats that have litterbox issues through the shelter. I'm the one holding their head as they die. Even 1 is too many.

ldg · Nov 14, 2008

Nat, I put a link to the the thread about Bea's plea to never declaw in my post.

Laurie

newcat19 · Nov 14, 2008

Wow tons of info!

Everyone can relax, I clearly won't be declawing my cat.
It sounds like there's some other alternatives, that are easy
and have no risk.

There's not much I can do at the moment for it. He's still alittle
new to my house and probably wouldn't let me hold his paws, or
sit still for more than 20 seconds (he's an active little guy).

I was just wondering about my options & the pro's & cons of each.

I'm a big internet guy, meaning when I have ?'s, I go to forums & find
answers. Being my 1st cat, you can expect a few more ?'s from me
in the future. This will hopefully be in the best interest of my cat.

Thank-you

laureen227 · Nov 14, 2008

Originally Posted by mschauer

This simply isn't true. Some cats will bite (not "play bite") for little or no obvious reason. Some claim that cats that have been declawed are more likely to do so. I can't say I know this for a fact.

well, i have some anecdotal info on the above: i have [currently] 5 cats, & have had 3 in the past who have since gone to the Bridge. of those 8, 4 have been declawed [either by me or a previous owner]. of those 4, 2 have been/are biters. so that's 50%. of those 2, 1 was raised by me from kittenhood, & 1 was adopted as an adult - so the 2 non-biters [also raised by me from kittenhood] had the same 'upbringing' or training as 1 of the biters. i think Pixel definitely shows a difference in her walking/standing [she's a declaw] & she has a regrown claw. Medley [angel cat] was a biter & had a regrown claw that had to be removed. none of my declaws have had any major issues w/litterbox avoidance except when ill [like UTI, etc.]
my current biter has 2 types of bites. he's a 'love biter' & an 'anger/defense' biter. there's a definite difference betwen the 2.

mnjulz · Nov 14, 2008

I have 4 cats with claws and none of them scratch on anything but their scratching posts. When I got the first kitten, I went to Petsmart and bought one of those 5 ft scratching post/furniture. It is the best $150.00 investment I ever made! In fact we bought one and made one. Your kitten will love it. Mine don't want to scratch on anything else. Good luck and enjoy your new kitten.

catkiki · Nov 14, 2008

Originally Posted by newcat19

Wow tons of info!

Everyone can relax, I clearly won't be declawing my cat.
It sounds like there's some other alternatives, that are easy
and have no risk.

There's not much I can do at the moment for it. He's still alittle
new to my house and probably wouldn't let me hold his paws, or
sit still for more than 20 seconds (he's an active little guy).

I was just wondering about my options & the pro's & cons of each.

I'm a big internet guy, meaning when I have ?'s, I go to forums & find
answers. Being my 1st cat, you can expect a few more ?'s from me
in the future. This will hopefully be in the best interest of my cat.

Thank-you

I consider the people on this forum my extended family. We will be happy to welcome you to our family and answer any questions you may have

mschauer · Nov 15, 2008

Originally Posted by newcat19

Wow tons of info!

Everyone can relax, I clearly won't be declawing my cat.
It sounds like there's some other alternatives, that are easy
and have no risk.

I assume you have done research at other sites? Can you share with us what arguments the "other side" uses? What seems to you to do the most persuasive argument in support of declawing? I'd like to know in the spirit of "know your enemy".

ldg · Nov 15, 2008

Originally Posted by newcat19

Wow tons of info!

Everyone can relax, I clearly won't be declawing my cat.
It sounds like there's some other alternatives, that are easy
and have no risk.

There's not much I can do at the moment for it. He's still alittle
new to my house and probably wouldn't let me hold his paws, or
sit still for more than 20 seconds (he's an active little guy).

I was just wondering about my options & the pro's & cons of each.

I'm a big internet guy, meaning when I have ?'s, I go to forums & find
answers. Being my 1st cat, you can expect a few more ?'s from me
in the future. This will hopefully be in the best interest of my cat.

Thank-you

Sorry, but plar got the hackles on my neck up.

I appreciate everyone's right to their own opinion. But like you, I would hope that people form those opinions based on the facts, and plar was simply providing incorrect information.

As to what to actually do?

Here's how we handled it. When our first kitty was sleeping (he was a feral rescue), we'd touch a paw, push one claw out. Of course he'd wake up right away, but we kept at it (good thing cats sleep so frequently!). We got to the point where he didn't freak about our touching his paws. Then we got the clippers ready. We'd get ONE CLAW before he'd wake up. (And we had treats waiting). So we'd do it one claw at a time - and though we made several attempts, really we basically got one claw a day. So we just did it that way. We clipped one claw every day and just kept rotating. Of course it got to the point where we could do two or three. For us, it was actually about a year before we could just put him on our lap and clip them all. But the other kitties took only a few months.

Also, another really handy tip is knowing that cats love to stretch and scratch when they wake up - so placing scratchers next to where they sleep REALLY helps. And if you want to invest in cat condos or trees that have some sisal on them, they are fabulous. !!! They attract our cats like magnets.

And feel free to ask away! That's what we're here for!

Laurie

sharky · Nov 15, 2008

I am glad you wont be declawing ... I spent almost 19 yrs with a cat who was front declawed ( lost the argument at age 11 to my mom) ... the cat had great litter habits but she bite and drew blood on a regular basis

subtle · Nov 15, 2008

Originally Posted by mschauer

I think this is likely true. Why would the cat feel pain during a declaw and not during other sugeries? If the anesthesia is administered properly the cat shouldn't feel anything during the procedure.

It isn't. There are many factors that play in to the equation, most importantly whether or not the subject has been properly sedated, however; the brain still processes and experiences trauma and pain, both physical and psychological, while under anesthesia.

shanynne · Nov 16, 2008

Originally Posted by newcat19

Wow tons of info!

Everyone can relax, I clearly won't be declawing my cat.
It sounds like there's some other alternatives, that are easy
and have no risk.

There's not much I can do at the moment for it. He's still alittle
new to my house and probably wouldn't let me hold his paws, or
sit still for more than 20 seconds (he's an active little guy).

I was just wondering about my options & the pro's & cons of each.

I'm a big internet guy, meaning when I have ?'s, I go to forums & find
answers. Being my 1st cat, you can expect a few more ?'s from me
in the future. This will hopefully be in the best interest of my cat.

Thank-you

YAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!!!

God Bless You Newcat, God Bless You! Your kitty is very fortunate to have you as his cat daddy

So what did you name him, what are you feeding him, and what are you using for litter??? Curious cat minds want to know!

fifi1puss · Nov 16, 2008

I am glad you have seen there are better alternatives to declawing and are willing to put in the time and energy to researching those and putting them into practice. Thats great! Cheers!

I am sure your cat thanks you.

I know he just wants to run around but he has to learn he is not the boss all the time and you WILL BE clipping those nails!

Take small steps. When he is napping see if you can do even just ONE nail. Touch his feet while he naps too. Get him used to the fact that you have the privilege of touching him wherever you darn well please.

Everyday hold him and touch him, on his feet, bumm (i know, but it will come in handy later), ears, eyes, nose. Be gentle but firm. He'll get it in time.

judi · Nov 16, 2008

Originally Posted by newcat19

OK, let me just say I've had my new kitten for about 8 days.
I've never owned a cat before.

This was a wild cat, and his claws are razor's at the moment.
His paws get stuck in my shirt when he's on my lap.

I've read some posts on here where people feel passionately against
de-clawing cats. In the wild, cats would need sharp claws to catch prey,
and climb trees to escape predators. In my house he has no use for them.

I'm not sure of the procedure for de-clawing or getting a cat spayed or
neutered. But why is de-clawing so terrible and a sex operation is not?
Is de-clawing extremely painful for the cats, while get a cat spayed is not?

Is there anything I can do to help him dull his claws a bit? He has a scratch
post which he uses, but he still scratches everything else.

Let me say I haven't done anything to my kitten yet & will only do so when
I'm informed properly about his & my best interest.

Thanks for any advice

It IS a big deal!
How would you like YOUR nails taken out??
Clip the nails instead!

De-claw what is the big deal?

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