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A most horrific case of child abuse

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...-4892492c.html

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He said McKay repeatedly played a "game" with Phoenix that he called "chicken" which involved picking her up by the throat, wrapping both hands around her neck and "choking her out."

"Then he'd throw her to the ground," said the teen, noting visible finger marks would be left on her neck. "She'd make this weird scream. It was like someone had cut off her arm, like she was screaming to death."

McKay also liked to shoot Phoenix with a pellet gun, telling the girl to "run" and then shooting her repeatedly in the back and making her cry out in agony.

"He'd shoot her for the fun of it," he said, noting the abuse would leave pellet marks all over her back.

The teen said Kematch would often hit Phoenix with a metal bar and stool, especially when she'd urinate or defecate in her pants after Kematch refused to let her go to the washroom. Sometimes McKay and Kematch would throw Phoenix around, either to the ground or into furniture, he said. They also shaved the girl's head bald, court was told.

This is the most horrid case of child abuse that I've ever read about. Every time I think about it I start crying.

The scum who abused her doesn't deserve to live. Hopefully they won't put them in isolation and the prison community will take care of that!

EDIT: Here are some other articles that appeared in the newspaper about it, from earlier dates:

November 12, 2008

November 13, 2008
post #2 of 17
I am sure that there are people out there that I would think deserves to die. The problem I have with hte death penalty is that there are people put to death that are later proven to be innocent. If they were able to prove that a dew are innocent how many more are out there that are innocent but it has never been proven.
I think that the death penalty should only be used if there is a 100% chance that the person committed the crime. Like a dead body was in their car or they were on film or whatever.
post #3 of 17
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Perhaps I should have given this thread a different subject title. I wasn't intending to start a debate about people's beliefs/opinions on the death penalty, because obviously there are pros and cons, and mistakes are made etc. etc.

My intent was to post about the most horrific case of child abuse that I've heard of, and to spark some kind of discussion. My subject title is purely my wishful thinking that the 2 people responsible for her torture, and that's what it was, deserve no better than what they gave.

I was trying to find another article that I read in the last few days, but I can't seem to find it.

Apparently after killing Phoenix, they applied for Welfare in her name. Child and Family Services made several attempts to see the girl, but were never able to due to one excuse or another. One being that she was visiting some relative in another part of the City, but the family couldn't recall the address

They were told to produce the girl at some specified address. The woman showed up with a small child who looked to be about 3 years old (Phoenix was 5 years old). When the girl was asked if her name was Phoenix, the girl said "No." Apparently she had "borrowed" a child from a friend of hers and tried to pass her off as Phoenix.

That's when it all started to come to light about what happened.
post #4 of 17
That's shocking!. You just can't get your head around why they do things like this?!

This is the one weve got going on over here at the moment and theres uproar with social services and the medical profession

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...00811215151356
post #5 of 17
The death penalty is too quick and humane for people like this
post #6 of 17
Two little boys have just been killed here. CPS were sent out to the family home six months ago and although they found one little boy locked in the family car in the Australian Summer (Typically 35 - 40*C heat...) they left the children in the care of the parents...

And earlier this week a nine year old pair of twins, one boy and one girl, were raped by a 19 year old boy on their way home from school. :-S

I don't understand how people can be so awful to other people. I don't generally believe in the death penalty- with so many convictions overturned or shown to be incorrect or unfounded after the prisoner is killed I think that there must be many more that aren't discovered. But with cases involving torture, especially children... it makes me sick to my stomach to think that we're wasting resources on them by having them in our prisons.

I actually have a very confrontational opinion about children who commit these atrocious crimes. I think they should be killed as well. Like those 9 year old boys who killed the 3 year old in the UK? Jamie something? They tortured him and left him to die on the train tracks, I think- I'm too young to remember it. But I just think that a child that's so sick and depraved that it thinks that that's okay should be killed. A pair of 12 year old girls were convicted here last year because they killed their best friend. They were giggling in court when the prosecution made their case, and are completely unrepentant.

There's something wrong with people who do this sort of thing. No matter how old they are.
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Like those 9 year old boys who killed the 3 year old in the UK? Jamie something? They tortured him and left him to die on the train tracks.
Jamie Bulger.

Their now adults with new identities. That's all wrong as well
post #8 of 17
That is so horrific---at least those children who are dead cannot be harmed anymore- they are in the comforting arms of those in Heaven, playing happily with those poor kitties & puppies who also have suffered at the hands of "humans".
Sending prayers and vibes for protection and rescue for those children & kitties who are still out there, alone, abused & afraid, whose little prayers are for rescue and for friends like those wonderful people at TCS who do care - May they be saved very soon
post #9 of 17
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That is so horrific---at least those children who are dead cannot be harmed anymore- they are in the comforting arms of those in Heaven, playing happily with those poor kitties & puppies who also have suffered at the hands of "humans".
We were talking about this last night on dinner break. One nurse mentioned that it's probably a blessing that the child has died, because imagine having to live your life with that type of abuse in your history? She would be so messed up. She probably wouldn't be able to trust anyone. She would be a mental and emotional disaster. It's easy to say "get counselling" and that is supposed to make it all better. But to live your entire life being literally tortured the way she was, I doubt that something like that could be overcome.

PS: Thanks for changing the title Susan.
post #10 of 17
RIP, poor little Phoenix.

I cannot imagine ...

I hope the brother - only 12 when this was going on - gets all the help he needs.

post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
Jamie Bulger.

Their now adults with new identities. That's all wrong as well
Apparently they live in Australia now. One of them, at least. There was a document leaked about relocating a child murderer with a new identity.. no names, but apparently enough references to make it clear that it was one of those little monsters.

Everyone here was horrified, but... well. With no proof and no yes or no from the government, new identities... what's to be done?
post #12 of 17
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The death penalty is too quick and humane for people like this
I agree, someone should play choke the chicken and shot pellets at them over and over again. Then starve them to death.

There is two people who don't deserve to walk the face of this earth.
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Apparently they live in Australia now. One of them, at least.
Really?!. I hope karma catches up with them

I'm sure even though they have new identities they'll be forever looking over their shoulders!.
post #14 of 17
How sad, I don't think I could harm someone until I read or see situations like this. It happens to pets, children, disabled and the elderly way too often. It is one of the things I hate about my job, because I am exposed to it daily.
post #15 of 17
This makes me so sad.....what is wrong with people?? what happened to these people to make em capable of doing such horrible things??I can not imagine ever hurting my children,or starving them?How can a mother do this to thier child? why not just let the child be taken away? what is the point of keeping a child you clearly don't love?just for this poor child to be an object of you hate and a way to let out you hate??Poor children,may they R.I.P!!
post #16 of 17
Sadly, for every case we hear about like these, there are probably hundreds just as bad. They don't make the news because the parents are much more clever about hiding the abuse, and the children do not die in their so-called "care."

At least children are no longer considered property of the parents (like a few decades ago), and stories like these make decent people more aware of the atrocities going on behind closed doors...

I'm always amazed when I hear someone say that evil doesn't really exist, or that people are inherently good. Survivors of childhood abuse know that evil is very, very real.
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by SwampWitch View Post
Sadly, for every case we hear about like these, there are probably hundreds just as bad. They don't make the news because the parents are much more clever about hiding the abuse, and the children do not die in their so-called "care."

At least children are no longer considered property of the parents (like a few decades ago), and stories like these make decent people more aware of the atrocities going on behind closed doors...

I'm always amazed when I hear someone say that evil doesn't really exist, or that people are inherently good. Survivors of childhood abuse know that evil is very, very real.
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How sad, I don't think I could harm someone until I read or see situations like this. It happens to pets, children, disabled and the elderly way too often. It is one of the things I hate about my job, because I am exposed to it daily.
I agree with both of these. It's so sad, and it makes me so angry! How can people be so cruel?
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