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post #1 of 12
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This got minimal attention during the campaign.

Here's Rahm Emanuel speaking about his version of it, and remember he's in a position to get things done now.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=e4qG6UIr8z

The www.change.gov website had this listed as "required" right after the election, and when the blogosphere caught wind of it, it magically changed.

Although the $40 an hour for 100 hours of community service sounds like a pretty sweet deal, I don't agree at all with this proposal.

We have the National Guard, we have the military. IMO We don't need a bunch of college kids running around doing whatever it is they have in mind for "security." If they wanted to do something for the Country, join the military.

I also read that schools who do not allow students participate would not be allowed to recieve Federal funds, and that it would be compulsory for graduation. So even home schooled kids would have to take part in it.

I just can't see American families allowing this.
post #2 of 12
Why don't they just reinstitute the draft while they are at it. Sounds too much like conscription to me, Comrades.

Leave the job of providing security to the professionals in the military, it's their job.

This garbage won't get out of Congress. Thankfully the dems didn't win enough seats to avoid filibusters.
post #3 of 12
I am not sure what you are seeing. I don't see anything about it on the change.gov. site. Could you provide other information about it.
post #4 of 12
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Looky looky.... it's already been proposed some time ago, just needs some tweaking...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-393
post #5 of 12
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I am not sure what you are seeing. I don't see anything about it on the change.gov. site. Could you provide other information about it.
http://www.change.gov/americaserves/
post #6 of 12
If much of the National Guard hadn't been sent overseas by the Bush administration, such proposals wouldn't even have been made. The purpose of the National Guard, IMO, is to serve and defend the territory of the U.S.A. and to be the last line of defense in the homeland. Expanding their mission to support U.S. armed forces engaged in foreign operations leaves the homeland defenseless and exposed. Exposed not only to enemy attack and natural disaster, but also exposed to tomfoolery by politicians. Civil service is NOT civil defense. I think universal service is an idea worth looking into. But it shouldn't be universal military service in disguise. The two need to be kept separate and distinct. We already have civil defense. We already have a national security force. The National Guard. We don't need to have civilians playing this role.

Be careful. We don't need any "brown shirts" in this country.
post #7 of 12
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If much of the National Guard hadn't been sent overseas by the Bush administration, such proposals wouldn't even have been made. The purpose of the National Guard, IMO, is to serve and defend the territory of the U.S.A. and to be the last line of defense in the homeland. Expanding their mission to support U.S. armed forces engaged in foreign operations leaves the homeland defenseless and exposed. Exposed not only to enemy attack and natural disaster, but also exposed to tomfoolery by politicians. Civil service is NOT civil defense. I think universal service is an idea worth looking into. But it shouldn't be universal military service in disguise. The two need to be kept separate and distinct. We already have civil defense. We already have a national security force. The National Guard. We don't need to have civilians playing this role.

Be careful. We don't need any "brown shirts" in this country.
No Fascists for sure.

I do like the idea of people doing community service to strengthen our communities. It is a way for college students to get a break on tuition but not a handout. As long as it is not military then I am ok with it.

Looky looky was cute.
post #8 of 12
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Be careful. We don't need any "brown shirts" in this country.
Exactly. And the plan Emanuel proposes sounds eerily like that.
post #9 of 12
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A little tidbit passed my way from a friend.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us...nt&oref=slogin

OBAMA: Yes. One of the striking things, as you travel around the country, you go into rural communities and you see how disproportionally they are carrying the load in this war in Iraq, as well as Afghanistan.
OBAMA: And it is not fair. Now, the volunteer Army, I think, is a way for us to maintain excellence. And if we are deploying our military wisely, then a voluntary army is sufficient, although I would call for an increase in our force structure, particularly around the Army and the Marines, because I think that we've got to put an end to people going on three, four, five tours of duty and the strain on families is enormous. I meet them every day.

But I think that the obligation to serve exists for everybody, and that's why I've put forward a national service program that is tied to my tuition credit for students who want to go to college. You get $4000 every year to help you go to college. In return, you have to engage in some form of national service. Military service has to be an option.

OBAMA: We have to have civilian options as well. Not just the Peace Corps, but one of the things that we need desperately are people who are in our foreign service who are speaking foreign languages can be more effective in a lot of the work that's going to be require that may not be hand-to-hand combat but is going to be just as critical in ensuring our long-term safety and security.

post #10 of 12
Doesn't sound like Rahmie and Barackie are quite on the same page, does it?
post #11 of 12
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Doesn't sound like Rahmie and Barackie are quite on the same page, does it?
I'm not sure which plan is scarier at this point. I heard "financed and trained as well as the military" from BHO, and Emanuel's whole plan scares me.
post #12 of 12
Oh, geez, it sounds like they've got the money spent already.
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