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post #1 of 81
11/1/08 at 10:13am
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It just gets better all the time. And living in public housing.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/..._pr/obama_aunt

I would post two of my favorite quotes from when the article first appeared, but they're gone now. Had to do with officials saying that they had no idea how a person with a standing deportation order received public housing.

Of course, BO thinks the immigration laws should be followed. Well, til Tuesday anyway. Or maybe it's all a mistake and she was really born here too!
post #2 of 81
11/1/08 at 11:04am
Barack is the teflon candidate, nothing sticks to him.
But he is The One.
post #3 of 81
11/1/08 at 12:42pm
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This guy is such a crock. Guess he wasn't feeling *neighborly* enough to share his own wealth with his family members.

I feel bad she was only able to contribute $260 to his campaign. Maybe if he upped her public assistance, she could do better.
post #4 of 81
11/1/08 at 1:23pm
Just wondering what your point is? The half-sister of the father he met once is in the US illegally.

Do you think he knew she was here illegally? Does it sound like someone he kept in contact with regularly? Do you think a candidate should extensively question the immigration status of every person who may be even remotely related to him?

This is why I admire him - he wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, with every family member being part of the elite, he is a regular guy with the intelligence and attitude to make it to this level.

So once again - what's your point? He is a valid US citizen, with a large extended family that he does not know very well. What do you expect him to do?
post #5 of 81
11/1/08 at 1:41pm
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So once again - what's your point? He is a valid US citizen, with a large extended family that he does not know very well. What do you expect him to do?
I kinda wondered the same thing. I have 6 aunts on my fathers side of the family that i don't talk to nor do I associate with. I don't care about them, I have not seen them for over 10 years and 10 years before that.

My mothers side of the family which is filled with immigrants (I have no idea who is legal or illegal), I have no contact relationship with because they don't speak english. I don't speak spanish. Am I responsible for them? Nope. Don't think so.
post #6 of 81
11/1/08 at 1:59pm
I guess because it's Obama he's supposed to be responsible for the actions of his relatives.
post #7 of 81
11/1/08 at 2:16pm
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Onyango visited the family in Chicago on a tourist visa at Obama's invitation about nine years ago, the campaign said, stopping to visit friends on the East Coast before returning to Kenya.
I always invite relatives I don't know to visit me from Kenya.

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She attended Obama's swearing-in to the U.S. Senate in 2004, but campaign officials said Obama provided no assistance in getting her a tourist visa and doesn't know the details of her stay.
Guess she just showed up. Can anyone attend those things?

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The campaign said he last heard from her about two years ago when she called saying she was in Boston, but he did not see her there.
His "Auntie Zeituni" probably just called to say hi.

My point... I still believe that BO and the truth are complete strangers, and that he's better suited for the big house than the white house. He's a regular guy with the ability to speak publicly that massive amounts of money have put in this position. That he's a valid US citizen is questionable.
post #8 of 81
11/1/08 at 2:36pm
As some wag has said, you don't need to pay to have a geneology done. Just run for office, and others will find all of your relatives for you!
post #9 of 81
11/1/08 at 2:37pm
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That he's a valid US citizen is questionable.
Why? Because you choose not to believe it no matter how much proof is given? How dare a multicultural citizen dare think he could possibly be President. That's only for the rich white kids who have all daddy's friends to get him into the top jobs.

I don't understand how people think he's deceived everyone about where he was born.

Arnie wasn't born in the US, and he wasn't raised in the US, yet he's an excellent Governor - a Republican one at that. Why is that not a problem?
post #10 of 81
11/1/08 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
I don't understand how people think he's deceived everyone about where he was born.

Arnie wasn't born in the US, and he wasn't raised in the US, yet he's an excellent Governor - a Republican one at that. Why is that not a problem?
It is not a problem because it was legal for him to run for office.

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Why? Because you choose not to believe it no matter how much proof is given? How dare a multicultural citizen dare think he could possibly be President. That's only for the rich white kids who have all daddy's friends to get him into the top jobs.
You tend to always think the ONLY thing that anyone sees wrong with BO is the fact that he's muticultural. Just give us a rich white kid and we'll all be happy little campers. Is that YOUR criteria for who you're going vote for...the multicultural guy? Good thinking. If it isn't, then you're assuming something of others that you're above?
post #11 of 81
11/1/08 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post

I don't understand how people think he's deceived everyone about where he was born.

Arnie wasn't born in the US, and he wasn't raised in the US, yet he's an excellent Governor - a Republican one at that. Why is that not a problem?
Arnold can't run for President, however.

Here's the story in a nutshell, in case you haven't seen it. One of Obama's Kenyan relatives claim that his mother visited his father in Kenya while she was pregnant. She didn't get on well with the family and decided to go back to Hawaii. However, the airline refused her passage because she was about due to deliver. Obama was born in Kenya, then taken to Hawaii, where clever document forgers fixed up a fake birth certificate for him, knowing that someday he would want to run for President.

However, his Kenyan "relatives" have been notoriously bad about getting facts straight, and every time he goes up in the polls, more Kenyans claim to be related to him.

He would still be legally American, even if all the above were true, since his mother had custody of him. Some try to make the case that his US citizenship was renounced when he was "adopted" by his Indonesian step-father. However, it's not that easy to give up your US citizenship.

Hawaiian officials today say that they have checked the birth certificate, and it is authentic.

But conspiracy theories are such fun!
post #12 of 81
11/1/08 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Cinder View Post
It is not a problem because it was legal for him to run for office.

You tend to always think the ONLY thing that anyone sees wrong with BO is the fact that he's muticultural. Just give us a rich white kid and we'll all be happy little campers. Is that YOUR criteria for who you're going vote for...the multicultural guy? Good thinking. If it isn't, then you're assuming something of others that you're above?
But it's legal for Obama to run as well! What is suspect about him?

Nobody would be questioning the rich, white kid, so why question Obama? It all started when the rumours were flying around of him being an Arab, a Muslim, and anything else that people thought would scare people off. How did those rumours start? They didn't call McCain a Muslim or an Arab, because he was a white man with an American sounding name. And it shouldn't matter if they were - as long as they are a US citizen, which has been proved that they both are.

It just really gets to me the way he has been treated because of his name, and his non-American family members. I just think he should be treated as one of your fellow US citizens.
post #13 of 81
11/1/08 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by mrblanche View Post
Arnold can't run for President, however.

Here's the story in a nutshell, in case you haven't seen it. One of Obama's Kenyan relatives claim that his mother visited his father in Kenya while she was pregnant. She didn't get on well with the family and decided to go back to Hawaii. However, the airline refused her passage because she was about due to deliver. Obama was born in Kenya, then taken to Hawaii, where clever document forgers fixed up a fake birth certificate for him, knowing that someday he would want to run for President.

However, his Kenyan "relatives" have been notoriously bad about getting facts straight, and every time he goes up in the polls, more Kenyans claim to be related to him.

He would still be legally American, even if all the above were true, since his mother had custody of him. Some try to make the case that his US citizenship was renounced when he was "adopted" by his Indonesian step-father. However, it's not that easy to give up your US citizenship.

Hawaiian officials today say that they have checked the birth certificate, and it is authentic.

But conspiracy theories are such fun!
At least this one has granted us a temporary reprieve from the 9/11 was masterminded by Bush/multinational oil companies/Zionists, etc., theories. I guess there's a bright side to many things.
post #14 of 81
11/1/08 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
Why? Because you choose not to believe it no matter how much proof is given? How dare a multicultural citizen dare think he could possibly be President. That's only for the rich white kids who have all daddy's friends to get him into the top jobs.

I don't understand how people think he's deceived everyone about where he was born.

Arnie wasn't born in the US, and he wasn't raised in the US, yet he's an excellent Governor - a Republican one at that. Why is that not a problem?

There you go, playing that race card.

Can't question, "The One", or you will be accused of being a racist.
post #15 of 81
11/1/08 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
But it's legal for Obama to run as well! What is suspect about him?

Nobody would be questioning the rich, white kid, so why question Obama? It all started when the rumours were flying around of him being an Arab, a Muslim, and anything else that people thought would scare people off. How did those rumours start? They didn't call McCain a Muslim or an Arab, because he was a white man with an American sounding name. And it shouldn't matter if they were - as long as they are a US citizen, which has been proved that they both are.

It just really gets to me the way he has been treated because of his name, and his non-American family members. I just think he should be treated as one of your fellow US citizens.
There are many people, myself included, that have serious reservations about Barack and his love of this country. All his bad associations have contributed to those reservations, plus the fact of two Muslim father's. Pardon the American people for these reservations, we were attacked 7 years ago by extremist Muslims and it wasn't the first time, we are gun shy.

McCain, we all know is a loyal Patriot that has fought for, bled for, was tortured for and has served his country his entire life, the same cannot be said about Barack. Barack and Michele are ashamed of this country.

I don't want a President that is ashamed of this country.

And we are ALLOWED to question the black guy just as you can question the white guy, his color doesn't make him untouchable, sorry. Call me racist if you want to, I will continue to question Barack.
post #16 of 81
11/1/08 at 4:03pm
Sounds like this lady was keeping a low profile and just trying to work and live her life, illegally, but still she wasn't seeking the limelight. It is an administrative issue not a criminal one. Of course that is blown out of the water for her. It doesn't seem like she approached Obama to ask for his influence on her case so how was he to know. And if she did at least Obama didn't ask for favors or use his influence like some politicians have for family issues. Let the law deal with it. Even McCain's campaign doesn't want to touch the issue of illegal immigration sending out a statement this was a family affair.
post #17 of 81
11/1/08 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
McCain, we all know is a loyal Patriot that has fought for, bled for, was tortured for and has served his country his entire life, the same cannot be said about Barack. Barack and Michele are ashamed of this country.
Maybe we don't know that. Even conservatives are asking questions. This is a very conservative blog (check out how they refer to Obama ) They are very, very concerned that McCain underwent years of "programming" to be a Manchurian Candidate.



http://cofcc.org/?p=1085
post #18 of 81
11/1/08 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
There are many people, myself included, that have serious reservations about Barack and his love of this country. All his bad associations have contributed to those reservations, plus the fact of two Muslim father's. Pardon the American people for these reservations, we were attacked 7 years ago by extremist Muslims and it wasn't the first time, we are gun shy.
Maybe it's because the Muslims I've personally known have been decent, law abiding people who love this country and very much appreciate living in America that the faith aspect is irrelevant to me. So I am afraid you are not speaking for the "American people." The American people will speak on Tuesday and whatever the choice we will all have to live with it.
post #19 of 81
11/1/08 at 4:33pm
Fact is, Obama talked about his aunt in his book. In fact, I heard one of the passages from his book, read by Obama, saying something like, "Aunt Zeituni had no safety net if the factory where she worked closed down, only her extended family. I realized that I was part of that net now; I had responsibilities." I know that's not the exact quote, but that was the substance of it.

Regardless of whether she is here legally or not, where is this responsibility that he claims to have for his extended family? She's obviously been in touch with him in a variety of ways, but yet it's apparently no concern to him to help her get out of the slums OR get her legal status here changed. And don't think he couldn't - often times Congressmen on either a state or federal level help their constituents, let alone their family members, with legal stuff like that. So, it's OK to make money using her name in his book, but after that he washes his hands of her?

It seems so many people want Obama elected so he will take care of them, but he hasn't even taken care of his own family who he speaks well of in his books.
post #20 of 81
11/1/08 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
There are many people, myself included, that have serious reservations about Barack and his love of this country. All his bad associations have contributed to those reservations, plus the fact of two Muslim father's. Pardon the American people for these reservations, we were attacked 7 years ago by extremist Muslims and it wasn't the first time, we are gun shy.
Personally, I don't care who his family is. People can't help the family they are born in to and I definitely don't think most Muslims are evil and out to destroy the US. I don't like Obama because I don't agree with his ideas and I don't think he's anywhere near ready to lead the US.

I also don't trust him due to the people he has associated with. I could handle one or two questionable associates, but the list just seems to be getting longer and longer. I know politicians have to do the "policital thing" and kiss peoples' butts sometimes to get things done, but some of these associations seem a bit to cozy for me to feel comfortable with. Like my mother always said, "if you smell smoke, there is probably a fire". That is how I feel.

But, I really don't think his aunt's immigration status should reflect on him. He isn't responsible for what his relatives do, unless he helps them in some way and so far I haven't seen any proof of that. This is kind of like people beating up Palin because her daughter got married out of wedlock. You can't control the actions of other people. Now, I did find it interesting that his campaign managers didn't dig that much into his life to find out if there was anything in his family that could cause problems for him and his campaign.
post #21 of 81
11/1/08 at 4:40pm
So you guys can label him a Muslin and an Arab, and not a American, which sounds pretty racist to me, but if I point it out I'M playing the race card?? Please...

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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
There are many people, myself included, that have serious reservations about Barack and his love of this country. All his bad associations have contributed to those reservations, plus the fact of two Muslim father's. Pardon the American people for these reservations, we were attacked 7 years ago by extremist Muslims and it wasn't the first time, we are gun shy.

McCain, we all know is a loyal Patriot that has fought for, bled for, was tortured for and has served his country his entire life, the same cannot be said about Barack. Barack and Michele are ashamed of this country.
There you go playing the torture card again. Just because someone went to war and was tortured, doesn't mean they'd make a good president.

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I don't want a President that is ashamed of this country.

And we are ALLOWED to question the black guy just as you can question the white guy, his color doesn't make him untouchable, sorry. Call me racist if you want to, I will continue to question Barack.
If Barack Obama was ashamed of the United States and did not love his country, there is no way he would be running for President. Someone who does not have a deep pride would not run for such a job.
post #22 of 81
11/1/08 at 4:58pm
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Makes no difference to me whether he's muslim, black, white, young, old, handsome or not. I still believe in my heart that he's a liar. He can deny any knowledge of his Auntie Zeituni and anyone else in his past that might damage his candidacy. That seems to be what he does best.

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If Barack Obama was ashamed of the United States and did not love his country, there is no way he would be running for President. Someone who does not have a deep pride would not run for such a job.
You're kidding, right? Well, of course, because all politicians are honest!
post #23 of 81
11/1/08 at 5:08pm
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Fact is, Obama talked about his aunt in his book. In fact, I heard one of the passages from his book, read by Obama, saying something like, "Aunt Zeituni had no safety net if the factory where she worked closed down, only her extended family. I realized that I was part of that net now; I had responsibilities." I know that's not the exact quote, but that was the substance of it.

Regardless of whether she is here legally or not, where is this responsibility that he claims to have for his extended family? She's obviously been in touch with him in a variety of ways, but yet it's apparently no concern to him to help her get out of the slums OR get her legal status here changed. And don't think he couldn't - often times Congressmen on either a state or federal level help their constituents, let alone their family members, with legal stuff like that. So, it's OK to make money using her name in his book, but after that he washes his hands of her?

It seems so many people want Obama elected so he will take care of them, but he hasn't even taken care of his own family who he speaks well of in his books.
Hmmmmh. So what would the political fallout have been if he'd used his position as an Illinois state senator or U.S. senator to pull strings to help an illegal immigrant?

If you'd actually read his book, rather than citing "quotes", you'd find that he's had trouble dealing with his father's serial marriages/polygamy, not to mention his grandfather's (cf. "granny").
post #24 of 81
11/1/08 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
Fact is, Obama talked about his aunt in his book. In fact, I heard one of the passages from his book, read by Obama, saying something like, "Aunt Zeituni had no safety net if the factory where she worked closed down, only her extended family. I realized that I was part of that net now; I had responsibilities." I know that's not the exact quote, but that was the substance of it.

Regardless of whether she is here legally or not, where is this responsibility that he claims to have for his extended family? She's obviously been in touch with him in a variety of ways, but yet it's apparently no concern to him to help her get out of the slums OR get her legal status here changed. And don't think he couldn't - often times Congressmen on either a state or federal level help their constituents, let alone their family members, with legal stuff like that. So, it's OK to make money using her name in his book, but after that he washes his hands of her?

It seems so many people want Obama elected so he will take care of them, but he hasn't even taken care of his own family who he speaks well of in his books.
Fact is, if he HAD used his influence or Congressional pull to help out this aunt, he would have been slammed for it by the "right", as much if not MORE than he's being slammed for NOT helping her. There would be NOTHING he could do, to make the Conservatives accept him.

Now the funny thing is, if he were a Republican instead of a Democrat, with the exact same agenda and the exact same family issue's, and being the exact same person that he is, except that he was a Republican, the Right wouldn't question his Citizenship, they wouldn't question his loyalty to the country, and they wouldn't call him Muslim, just because of a Muslim name he was given
post #25 of 81
11/1/08 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by HopeHacker View Post
Now the funny thing is, if he were a Republican instead of a Democrat, with the exact same agenda and the exact same family issue's, and being the exact same person that he is, except that he was a Republican, the Right wouldn't question his Citizenship, they wouldn't question his loyalty to the country, and they wouldn't call him Muslim, just because of a Muslim name he was given
Why would they have to? The Democrats would be doing it for them. But I think you are incorrect to believe that Republicans are the only ones questioning these things about BO.
post #26 of 81
11/1/08 at 5:42pm
Actually, I recall several articles asking about McCain's residency, since he was technically born on a military base located outside of the US. That whole, "US soil" business really shook some people up.

So no, it's not becuase he's black that people are questioning him. It's because he's running for the office of President of the United States of America, and quite frankly, he's put himself out there to be questioned.
post #27 of 81
11/1/08 at 5:50pm
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Actually, I recall several articles asking about McCain's residency, since he was technically born on a military base located outside of the US. That whole, "US soil" business really shook some people up.
So we've got two candidates born to at least one U.S. citizen, one born in a U.S. state, one born on a U.S. base overseas - the whole question of their "qualifying" to run is just plain silly. They're both natural-born U.S. citizens, have at least 14 years of U.S. residency, and are at least 35. Basta!
post #28 of 81
11/1/08 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
So you guys can label him a Muslin and an Arab, and not a American, which sounds pretty racist to me, but if I point it out I'M playing the race card?? Please....
I don't think you are playing the race card. I think it is a valid point and seems to be very true in some cases.
post #29 of 81
11/1/08 at 7:17pm
I think that this story is going to backfire. Mostly because areas with high concentrations of recent immigrant populations will understand it on a very deep level.

A good example would be a place like Miami. I'd like someone to go down there and ask questions about family members being denied asylum, and how they feel about it.
post #30 of 81
11/1/08 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by HopeHacker View Post
he was a Republican, the Right wouldn't question his Citizenship, they wouldn't question his loyalty to the country, and they wouldn't call him Muslim, just because of a Muslim name he was given
yes they would,
in fact if a rep ahd said and done the things obama has done,
he would not even get one vote from rep or dem.

But because he is running as a dem, he gets a free pass
how people can vote for obama i dont understand.
control of the media, racist statements,anti-american statements,
voted aganist controls on the compaines that failed that cost us billions.
his statemtns about creating a personal security force that answers to him,
900 billion in taxes that goes to the UN. his statements during the russian attack in europe,

the guy could not even get a FBI clearance, but people seem to think he can be run the country

the guy is scary.
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