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post #1 of 40
10/29/08 at 6:17pm
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I watched it, and was disappointed. I actually did watch it with an open mind. I was really hoping he would explain what his plans were to PAY for some of the things that he is promising but that didn't happen.

I guess I was expecting him to sit down and lay out his plan of how he was going to pay for his promises (as much as he could in 30 min of course) but I guess it was easier to just replay advertisements that he's been running for the last 2-3 months, mixed with heart breaking stories from the average american.

Lots and lots of wonderful promises but NO explaination of where the money will come from. I do agree with some of his ideas. I agree with better education, I agree with better health care. But...he wants to cut taxes on 95% of the population. So, I ask again....WHERE is the money coming from to do these things? Even I, who has a problem balancing her checkbook without a calculator, knows that you can't put more money into something without taking money from something else.

To me, its just smoke being blown up my...well, you know what.

I was very disappointed because this was his opportunity to actually explain how he was going to do thing, and all it was, basically, was an MTV ad that lasted for 30 minutes. He didn't tell us anything new.
post #2 of 40
10/29/08 at 6:38pm
I didn't watch, per se, but I had it on TV and listened while I pottered around doing other things, and, I agree. He outlined some wonderful ideas, but I didn't hear any real plans. And the part about hiring many more teachers and paying them a working wage; isn't that a State thing?
post #3 of 40
10/29/08 at 6:48pm
I watched it hoping for more information too and thought that it was a waste of primetime TV when all it showed was reruns of previous stories he has used.
He didnt give any extra information (other than also saying the threshold for tax cuts was $200k not $250k) and so much of it, like the teachers, was something that he as President would have little or no control over.
post #4 of 40
10/29/08 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by Skippymjp View Post
I didn't watch, per se, but I had it on TV and listened while I pottered around doing other things, and, I agree. He outlined some wonderful ideas, but I didn't hear any real plans.
mike that is the same thing i have said for months.
he talks but does not really say anything
post #5 of 40
10/29/08 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
I watched it, and was disappointed. I actually did watch it with an open mind. I was really hoping he would explain what his plans were to PAY for some of the things that he is promising but that didn't happen.

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I see your point. A couple things to keep on Mind. First these are what he wants to do and what he plans on trying to achieve. I don't think any politician has or ever will do every single thing they plan on doing. Not only are the funds not always available but it has to go through the senate as well. Also I don't really remember Mccaine laying out many plans either. Second both Mcaine and Obama have plans and hopes that they could never pay for. Third both Mccaine and Obama explained that they wanted to cut out much of the outrageous spending in Washington that was not necessary and put those funds towards things that were. Another thing to keep in mind is although he wants to lower taxes for the majority of people, people who make less then 200,000 a year after tax breaks he is planing on raising the taxes on people who make over 250,000 after tax breaks.

I liked the infomercial. I loved the fact that it focused on what he wanted to do and not criticizing Mccaine. I really got a better feel for who he was. He really seems like he is a good human being and he truly cares about people. Although I do wish both candidates would explain how the plane to make all these changes. I also think most people understand that not everything is going to be able to be accomplished with either candidate. Knowing what they are for and what they want to do tells me enough about them and their passion tells me that they are going to do everything in their power to do it.
post #6 of 40
10/29/08 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
I watched it hoping for more information too and thought that it was a waste of primetime TV when all it showed was reruns of previous stories he has used.
He didnt give any extra information (other than also saying the threshold for tax cuts was $200k not $250k) and so much of it, like the teachers, was something that he as President would have little or no control over.
He said he was going to raise taxes on people that made more then 250,000 he said he was going to give tax breaks to people who make under 200,000 at least when he said he was going to raise taxes on people that made over 250,000 I don't remember him saying that he was going to lower them for people making less then that. I just remember him saying that he would lower taxes for the middle and lower class. I could be mistaken though.
post #7 of 40
10/29/08 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
I watched it hoping for more information too and thought that it was a waste of primetime TV when all it showed was reruns of previous stories he has used.
He didnt give any extra information (other than also saying the threshold for tax cuts was $200k not $250k) and so much of it, like the teachers, was something that he as President would have little or no control over.
and biden said it was 150,000.
when they have both voted to increase taxes on 42,000.

they should just tell the turth.
post #8 of 40
10/29/08 at 9:29pm
I liked it because it kept to a positive message but also was pragmatic to say that it was going to be easy. There are links posted in a number of threads here that discussed how each candidate's proposals were going to be funded thru reduction of other programs. That information gets so involved that there was no way that he could cover it in a 30 minute segment.

Whoever gets elected has a horrible mess to dig us out of.
post #9 of 40
10/29/08 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
I watched it, and was disappointed. I actually did watch it with an open mind. I was really hoping he would explain what his plans were to PAY for some of the things that he is promising but that didn't happen.
Well if he gets the troops out of Iraq, that'll save a whole lot of money!

I don't think either of them can really go into detail on how they plan to pay for anything until they get full access to the accounts, and figure out what they can and can't get passed. There's no way everything they want to do will happen, there's too many obstacles, but by saying everything they would like to do and what their focuses are, it gives you a good indication of what their priorities are, and what they are going to try to achieve. So I don't think it's realistic to make either candidate talk about how they plan to pay for it all, because it all will not happen.

I like that health care and education from the bottom up are a big focus for Obama. They are two things that I strongly believe in, and think if he does nothing else different in the next 8 years except improve those 2 things, will have so many long term benefits for the USA.

I thought the ad was great. He inspires me and he looked presidential. I know it sounds silly, but he has the demeanor of someone who can and will inspire change.

I didn't like him at the start of the Democratic Primary campaign, but the more I see of him, and the more I read about him, the more I think he can do great things for the US.

Just MHO.
post #10 of 40
10/30/08 at 5:30am
I am glad he didn't make it about crunching numbers when you can go to his website for all of that. He even has a calculator so you can calculate how much you would save under his plan.
He said he would pay for things by cutting out the unnecessary spending and cutting down on Iraq by ending the occupation.
My take is that for his supporters it reaffirmed our support, for still undecideds it gave them a longer look at him and his ideas and for those who don't support him he wasn't trying to win them over. At his point the only group to inspire is your own team and maybe peel off some undecideds who are most likely women if past trends are correct.
post #11 of 40
10/30/08 at 6:44am
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I am glad he didn't make it about crunching numbers when you can go to his website for all of that. He even has a calculator so you can calculate how much you would save under his plan.
He said he would pay for things by cutting out the unnecessary spending and cutting down on Iraq by ending the occupation.
But what about the people who don't have access to the internet (hard to believe, but they are out there) or don't have time to read and decipher a complex financial plan. I just figured it would be helpful for him to give a brief explaination in plain, simple words for the people that don't spend half the day on the internet (like we do. )

I wanted to hear what he considers "unnecessary spending" so I will know what programs he plans on cutting. I know both candidates want to cut pork spending but that isn't going to pay for everything he's promising so something is going to suffer. And yes, he wants to pull out of Iraq but then he also said he wants to go after Bin Ladin and terrorists which to me means he will be switching the battleground to Afghanistan (not a bad thing) but that won't save money. And, yes I know about the calculator (who doesn't, I've seen the commercial at least 100 times in the past week) and I tried it but somehow I don't think it's as simple as that.

In the first debate, at least McCain gave some idea of where he was going to start, which was going through each federal agency and cut spending there. I'm sure federal employees aren't real thrilled with that, but there is A LOT of unnecessary spending being done in the government itself.

I AM happy though that it didn't become a Republican/McCain bashing ad. I could have easily been that, but Obama is too smart for that. I still think it was a waste of 30 min airtime and $4,000,000.00 when he didn't say anything new. Why isn't Obama spreading HIS wealth around?

edit: I know it wasn't Obama's money, it was campaign money. That was a sorry attempt at humor.
post #12 of 40
10/30/08 at 8:08am
We already know what programs he is going to drastically slash spending on, anything to do with our nation's defense. He has said it many times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE

Here he is saying it in his own words
post #13 of 40
10/30/08 at 8:43am
I think he got ripped off. Lots of money for nothing new.
post #14 of 40
10/30/08 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by sarahp View Post
Well if he gets the troops out of Iraq, that'll save a whole lot of money!
The AP has analyzed it:

Obama not upfront on some items

As far as the Iraq expenses are concerned, he has only talked about reducing the troop level by a little more than half, with as many as 50,000 left in Iraq for the foreseeable future.
post #15 of 40
10/30/08 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
We already know what programs he is going to drastically slash spending on, anything to do with our nation's defense. He has said it many times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE

Here he is saying it in his own words
He says "I don't make promises that can't be kept" (yeah, right). And his "soul priority will be protecting the american people". But he wants to cut the military that much? Ok, now I'm REALLY scared! Ok everybody, build your bomb shelters because 9/11 is coming again.
post #16 of 40
10/30/08 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by calico2222 View Post
He says "I don't make promises that can't be kept" (yeah, right). And his "soul priority will be protecting the american people". But he wants to cut the military that much? Ok, now I'm REALLY scared! Ok everybody, build your bomb shelters because 9/11 is coming again.

Gun sales are reportedly up nationwide. Just in case things change.
post #17 of 40
10/30/08 at 1:10pm
Neet, I just reading the other night that Obama used ()
to be in favor of a total ban on hand guns. Until he realized there was not way he could becme President of the United States while advocating the repeal of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

He is waiting until he is elected and has his big Congressional majority then he will press to repeal the 2nd Amendment. That should work out real well for him.
post #18 of 40
10/30/08 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Neet, I just reading the other night that Obama used ()
to be in favor of a total ban on hand guns.
Fact check, not true:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ets_obama.html

The NRA plans a $40 million blitz to target Obama:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11452.html
post #19 of 40
10/30/08 at 2:23pm
What Obama says during his campaign about guns isn't in line with his voting record.
post #20 of 40
10/30/08 at 2:26pm
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Originally Posted by Essayons89 View Post
What Obama says during his campaign about guns isn't in line with his voting record.
Read the fact check that I posted.
post #21 of 40
10/30/08 at 2:35pm
I read it a while back. I don't know if I completely trust them as an unbiased source given Obama's past involvement with the Annenberg Challenge.
post #22 of 40
10/30/08 at 3:24pm
I agree with alot of what was said here in terms of not really trusting Obama's promises. I won't rehash things that have been said, but I will bring up some points that people have been murmurring about around here:

the acrylic nails woman when she was griping about not affording snacks
and the brand new vehicles some of these people were driving.

Were they really that hard up? Or did the campaign supply them with this stuff to look pretty for tv? *shrugs*
post #23 of 40
10/30/08 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
Read the fact check that I posted.
Technically, he has spoken out of both sides of his mouth on this subject, as most politicians do. He said he believes in the Second Amendment, but he believes that states and localities should be able to put in place "sensible restrictions" on the right.

I'm guessing he hasn't read the Second Amendment, since it says, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I guess it depends on how you define "infringed."

However, he has advocated restricting all guns to a magazine size of no more than 6 shots, and a 300% tax on all center-fire ammunition.

Of course, as I keep saying, the President doesn't pass any legislation, and getting that passed would probably ensure that the Republicans would take over the House and Senate in 2010 and the White House in 2012.
post #24 of 40
10/30/08 at 4:30pm
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...out__too_.html
post #25 of 40
10/30/08 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
Neet, I just reading the other night that Obama used ()
to be in favor of a total ban on hand guns. Until he realized there was not way he could becme President of the United States while advocating the repeal of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

He is waiting until he is elected and has his big Congressional majority then he will press to repeal the 2nd Amendment. That should work out real well for him.
obama is about as anti-gun as they come. You can see the effect that banning hand guns has on places like DC, and chicago.

he has voted to ban guns, to ban the ammo, even to punish people for use of a gun in defending there self.
post #26 of 40
10/30/08 at 6:41pm
I don't think people will take kindly to having their guns taken away. He may have a problem with that if he is elected.
post #27 of 40
10/30/08 at 7:07pm
Anyone want to explain what he means by this?

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”



Cause what I'm thinking it means I don't like at all.
post #28 of 40
10/30/08 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Anyone want to explain what he means by this?

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,†he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.â€



Cause what I'm thinking it means I don't like at all.
That he wants to give the BATF heavy artillery?
post #29 of 40
10/30/08 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by neetanddave View Post
Anyone want to explain what he means by this?

We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,†he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.â€



Cause what I'm thinking it means I don't like at all.
what the shock he said that long time ago, I even posted the video around here some place.

does the term bown shirts & kristallnacht mean anything to people anymore? i doubt it.
post #30 of 40
10/30/08 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
I don't think people will take kindly to having their guns taken away. He may have a problem with that if he is elected.
why do you think obama wants his own police force that is bigger then the military
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