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post #31 of 53
10/31/08 at 8:44am
https://www.comapps.ohio.gov/dic/dic...p/default.aspx

Type in: A W Newell Corp
post #32 of 53
10/31/08 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
No, you do NOT have to be a licensed plumber. ONE person has to have the contractor's license, the business owner, employees do not have to have a license. And what I am saying has been posted again and again.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/
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But anyone working under Newell should have a journeyman’s plumbing license or an apprenticeship license, officials said.
post #33 of 53
10/31/08 at 8:53am
When did the word "should" turn into a legal term for the word "must"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Wurzelbacher

I know how much many of you like Wiki.
post #34 of 53
10/31/08 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
When did the word "should" turn into a legal term for the word "must"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Wurzelbacher

I know how much many of you like Wiki.
I don't even really care if he has a plumbing license or not, but since we are discussing it...
From footnote #34 in the link you posted
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Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418
post #35 of 53
10/31/08 at 10:11am
Sorry, that is not true. Only the owner of the company is required to have a Contractor's license, not employees.
post #36 of 53
10/31/08 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by Rockcat View Post
I don't even really care if he has a plumbing license or not, but since we are discussing it...
From footnote #34 in the link you posted

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418
He can work under Newell's license wherever Newell is licensed to work

So some parties say he can't work without a license and other parties say he can but only in certain places. So which is it? And what does it matter? Were you thinking about hiring him to do some plumbing in your house? If he decides to run for Congress, then people can complain because he practiced plumbing without a license but until then he's still just a private citizen who asked The One a question and then got trashed for it. Incidentally, according to the Ohio License Center, Thomas Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics doesn't appear to have a license. He must not be a plumber either. The Republicans should look into that.
post #37 of 53
10/31/08 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
He can work under Newell's license wherever Newell is licensed to work

So some parties say he can't work without a license and other parties say he can but only in certain places. So which is it? And what does it matter? Were you thinking about hiring him to do some plumbing in your house?
Um, like I said:
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I don't even really care if he has a plumbing license or not, but since we are discussing it...
I jumped in after seeing the no he doesn't, yes he does argument.

And then I said this
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according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.
was
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From footnote #34 in the link you posted
post #38 of 53
10/31/08 at 12:52pm
And I said no he doesn't.

He is an employee NOT a business owner.
You don't have to have a contractor's license unless YOU are the contractor, he is not, he is an employee.
He broke no laws, he isn't a liar. He is a man that made the mistake of asking, The One, a question.
post #39 of 53
10/31/08 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
And I said no he doesn't.

He is an employee NOT a business owner.
You don't have to have a contractor's license unless YOU are the contractor, he is not, he is an employee.
He broke no laws, he isn't a liar. He is a man that made the mistake of asking, The One, a question.
Oops, sorry, I was just going by Ohio building regulations.
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Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.
post #40 of 53
10/31/08 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
And I said no he doesn't.

He is an employee NOT a business owner.
You don't have to have a contractor's license unless YOU are the contractor, he is not, he is an employee.
He broke no laws, he isn't a liar. He is a man that made the mistake of asking, The One, a question.
To beat the dead horse a little more, a contractor's license and a plumbing license are considerably different. Regardless, Joe doesn't have either, and he legally is required to have his plumbing one or at the very least an apprenticeship, which he does not and has said he does not intend to.

The point is, that you claim he never lied. He did. He lied about how much money the business made, he lied about the fact he was about to buy it. He presented himself as an undecided voter, and he absolutely is not and never was. He says he wants people to 'go out and research things themselves' and then makes ridiculous assertions such as a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel, then refuses to offer any sort of evidence. He does this to the point that it worries a FOX NEWS reporter about the state of our country.

An odd hero indeed. I wrongly thought that debate would be the end of hearing about him. I thought someone in the campaign would come to their senses. They already have one loose cannon (Palin has been described by the campaign as a diva and a whack job) why on earth would they want two?
post #41 of 53
10/31/08 at 5:18pm
One would think Joe the Plumber singlehandedly slew the giant.

None of this dissolves his right to sue. Actually probably violated HIPPA laws big time.
post #42 of 53
10/31/08 at 5:33pm
I know what a contractor's license is, I work in the construction industry.
He is not required to have a contractor's license if he is not the owner of the business.

2nd, he can be a darn plumber, without being union, not ever plumber in this country is a union plumber.

I lived with a plumber for many years, he was not "licensed", he didn't have to be, his employer carried the license.

He did not lie, it is not his business, how could he know what it makes.
He never said he was going to buy it, he said he wanted to. It sounded like a future American dream to me. What is wrong with that?

I'll tell you what is wrong with that, he made Obama look like the idiot he is, IMO. He got thrashed by Joe Schmo and he didn't like it.
So he and Biden proceed to go on a cross country "Smear Joe" campaign.
Really classy of them.

As far as Israel is concerned, I totally believe that Barack Obama is NO friend of Israel and I am dead serious. Just a gut feeling. Tell Barack, he can have his minions starts hacking my computer.
post #43 of 53
10/31/08 at 5:36pm
One thing the "Joe the Plumber" deal did reveal. That Obama's own campaign
treasurer didn't pay his property taxes and has had a lien against his property. I find that hilarious.

But that is okay, because he has the protection of "The One"
post #44 of 53
10/31/08 at 5:59pm
Thread Starter 
yep it is alrgiht
post #45 of 53
10/31/08 at 7:37pm
Well ding dang diddly dadburn. Don't you just hate it when this happens?

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live...e.html?sid=101

Vanessa Niekamp said that when she was asked to run a child-support check on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher on Oct. 16, she thought it routine. A supervisor told her the man had contacted the state agency about his case.

Niekamp didn't know she just had checked on "Joe the Plumber," who was elevated the night before to presidential politics prominence as Republican John McCain's example in a debate of an average American.

The senior manager would not learn about "Joe" for another week, when she said her boss informed her and directed her to write an e-mail stating her computer check was a legitimate inquiry.
post #46 of 53
10/31/08 at 9:48pm
And the county Wurzelbacher and Newell live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses, but neither is licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.

That is a quote from the link posted by Cindy.

It was wrong to look up Joe's records just for a reporter. He has a right to privacy. Did she share her child-support findings with the reporter?

It's not Obama's fault that any of the record snooping happened. He's not the one that has been talking about Joe. That's McCain. Joe is even making campaign stops with McCain and Palin. He's trying to take advantage of his 15 minutes of fame. He seems to be enjoying it. He's behaving like a reality show star.

And the guy who's a business manager for a plumber's association. Why should a business manager need a plumber's license?
post #47 of 53
11/1/08 at 7:50am
If they don't do work in Lucas County, they don't need a license to work there, do they? Why pay for a license for a county you don't work in?
Where I work we carry a license for Clark County, not for all the other counties in Nevada. This is not rocket science. And none of this excuses what has been done to this man for asking a simple question.

It doesn't mater whether or not she shared the findings with the reporter, to access the records without a legitimate reason to do so is inappropriate and maybe even illegal. Just because Joe asked a question doesn't mean his records should be rifled through in an attempt to dig up dirt on him. Incidentally, Helen Jones-Kelly donated $2500 to the Obama campaign.

Thomas Joseph said "We're the real Joe the Plumber" which means he is calling himself a plumber. Since he has no license, he must be a liar too.

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Originally Posted by katie=^..^= View Post
And the county Wurzelbacher and Newell live in, Lucas County, requires plumbers to have licenses, but neither is licensed there, said Cheryl Schimming of Lucas County Building Regulations, which handles plumber licenses in parts of the county outside Toledo.

That is a quote from the link posted by Cindy.

It was wrong to look up Joe's records just for a reporter. He has a right to privacy. Did she share her child-support findings with the reporter?

It's not Obama's fault that any of the record snooping happened. He's not the one that has been talking about Joe. That's McCain. Joe is even making campaign stops with McCain and Palin. He's trying to take advantage of his 15 minutes of fame. He seems to be enjoying it. He's behaving like a reality show star.

And the guy who's a business manager for a plumber's association. Why should a business manager need a plumber's license?
post #48 of 53
11/2/08 at 6:37pm
Joe who....joe what? Just give it a few days it will all go away.
post #49 of 53
11/4/08 at 5:08am
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Originally Posted by ckblv View Post
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I lived with a plumber for many years, he was not "licensed", he didn't have to be, his employer carried the license.
Was it in Ohio? Do you understand that laws can be different from state to state, and that this entire time we have been talking about Ohio? It is not a matter of opinion whether you need a license in Ohio, it is easily proven and has been. I'm done banging my head into a brick wall, Cindy.

And I'm about to go vote, and then forget Joe ever existed.
post #50 of 53
11/4/08 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
And I'm about to go vote, and then forget Joe ever existed.
You'll get to see his name again soon enough, when he sues the state of Ohio.
post #51 of 53
11/4/08 at 7:27pm
Thread Starter 
hmm well you know, some liberal radio show was calling for joe to be killed.

hope he lives long enough to sue
post #52 of 53
11/5/08 at 1:17pm
Joe who? Sorry it needed saying.
post #53 of 53
11/7/08 at 8:49pm
UPDATE:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/con...8helenweb.html

Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services and former head of that department in Montgomery County, has been placed on paid administrative leave by Gov. Ted Strickland.

Strickland said on Friday, Nov. 7, that he took the action "due to the possibility, as yet unconfirmed, that a state computer or state e-mail account was used to assist in political fund raising."

"I have asked Inspector General Tom Charles to include this matter in his current, ongoing investigation," Strickland said in a press release.



So not only was Joe's personal information accessed, a state computer and/or state account was used for political fundraising?

This reeks.
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